<Brexit>

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Teppler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If the elites in UK want brexit and the people voted for it, who do you perceive is stopping it from happening? Sounds like you’re in a spin tbqh. The idea of having more votes that ultimately undo brexot looks like an absolute disaster from a foreign POV, like you guys are running a complete and utter clown show of a democracy. UK politicians simply have to get brexit through or their democracy is fraudulent. The people have to have faith in the government and if votes don’t mean anything anymore, the social compact is shown to be breaking down.

Please reread my post as this is literally the question i answered.

If you want TLDR: tax haven abusers want brexit to be done by christmas regardless of national damage. Representives of the people want a responsible brexit that won't strip away workers or human rights, food standards etc nor cause war with Ireland.

[Horza]

Trying to reason with Teppler?

You're going to make him angry, and you wouldn't like him when he's angry.

[Thrombosis]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please reread my post as this is literally the question i answered.

If you want TLDR: tax haven abusers want brexit to be done by christmas regardless of national damage. Representives of the people want a responsible brexit that won't strip away workers or human rights, food standards etc nor cause war with Ireland.

It's funny that these so-called representatives of the people claim to be so concerned about worker's rights, but where were they when the EU empire expanded eastwards bringing with it a huge supply of labour for whom UK wages were way above what they could expect in their own country. It's no coincidence that wages only started rising above the rate of inflation after the Brexit vote when EU migration dropped.

Human rights aren't changing - we're still signed up to the ECHR which has nothing to do with the EU.

On food standards the EU hardly has room to gloat here - in the UK thanks to EU food laws we've had horse meat sold as beef in UK supermarkets, and rotten chicken imported from Poland. At least if we control our own food standards we can actually hold our own government to account for these sort of failures. Did any EU official resign over the above two scandals? Were they even scrutinised in any way?

The UK is far from perfect on enabling tax avoidance, but the EU is no better. Consider that the infamous Double-Dutch and Double-Irish tax avoidance schemes, that the mega corps exploited with glee, were both permitted under EU rules. Not sure where this theory about 'aristocrats' wanting Brexit comes from. Who exactly do you mean by the aristocrats anyway? As far as I can see they don't have much power at all these days and half of them are broke anyway.

[Wonkie]

Democracy is always fraudulent. That's what makes it beautiful ��

[Patriam1066]

Britain needs to take back Ireland and probably India

[Teppler]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please reread my post as this is literally the question i answered.

If you want TLDR: tax haven abusers want brexit to be done by christmas regardless of national damage. Representives of the people want a responsible brexit that won't strip away workers or human rights, food standards etc nor cause war with Ireland.

"hijacked by tax avoiding aristrocrats"

How could you be so stupid to shill this line? That line describes every vote that has ever existed. Don't like the way a vote turned out- "aristocrats hijacked it!".

If a body of aristocrats have significant political power and the public voted for brexit, who is holding it up exactly? You're in a spin, dummy.

When you get billion dollar funded propaganda trying to explain to brexit is hijacked by tax avoiding aristocrats try to read between the lines at an adult level. Who do you think is sending this message? A bunch of poor people without the funds? Anti Brexit billionaires are trying to keep their gravy train running. They've successfully framed a grass roots democratic vote by the people as a "hijack by tax avoiding elite aristrocrats". It makes me absolutely sick to see you do their bidding here on this forum.

[Teppler]

Brexit was one of the real feel good grass root wins of the last few years.

It makes no one else sick to see how badly the common person gets their movements astroturfed once they gain even the slightest bit of traction?

Like, I couldn't think about a bigger example of a legit movement by the people, than common brits believing in independence. To see billion dollar elites successfully frame it as an endeavor by "tax avoiding aristocrats" when they didn't get what they want is just plain sad and black pilling.

I would get over it if these were just salt tears while Brexit was still happening but that's not the case. These elites have fucked Brexit sideways and I really don't see it happening longer term based on all the fuckery I've seen so far. Democracy is done there.

Why try anything? It just gets astroturfed by the billion dollar establishment every time.

[Horza]

Do I really want to ask what black pilling is?

[Teppler]

Despair. Accepting that there's nothing anyone can do and we're fucked.

[Horza]

Considering that Boris Johnson represents another set of billion dollar elites, I can't imagine that any of this will end up benefiting common Brits.