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Old 03-13-2023, 01:02 PM
Vsai Vsai is offline
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Default Undead Illusions no longer change faction

Source: https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/...1&p=5#comments

"Feb 14 2001 at 4:42 PMRating: Default
Wrong. Like a previous post says. COB takes you to amiable."

"Mar 09 2001 at 8:28 PMRating: Default
I guess they nerfed this then because I am standing in front of the Foreman as I type this and neither Lich nor Call of Bones alters my faction whatsoever. I am indifferent to them with or without either spell."

"Mar 14 2001 at 6:12 PMRating: Decent
Correct .. All Skeleton illusions no longer alter your faction.

Source: http://web.archive.org/web/200103021...ML/061066.html

"Topic: Thing's Not Included Into the Patch Message that DID go in..."

"DarckHellfire
Station Member posted 02-23-2001 07:30 AM
The Faction adjustments from Arch Lich have been removed.
Now there is no reason to EVER use this spell"

"-Lech-
Station Member posted 02-23-2001 07:41 AM
Level 60 necro Arch Lich NERFED to utter uselessness.
There is now absolutely no point in casting the spell because it no longer gives the nice faction bonus. "

The patch in question is the February 21, 2001 patch. While it was not listed in the patch notes directly luckily, I found a patch rundown of things that were not included in the notes.

Under bug fixes in this patch, we can see they were working on faction issues.
"--- Fixed a bug whereby NPCs would consider the race of a player prior
to the loading of the faction table upon zoning or logging in. This
would cause people to be attacked by things that normally like them. "

Based on all this, a change should go in for February 21, 2001 in the timeline which removes faction changes on Amulet of Necropotence, Call of Bones, Lich and Arch Lich.
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Old 03-14-2023, 11:02 AM
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This sounds like it would affect wolf form in FV, amongst other places...

-Mcoy
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Old 03-15-2023, 01:08 PM
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This sounds like it would affect wolf form in FV, amongst other places...

-Mcoy
Possibly but I found no mention of it in the source material. This bug report is ready to go as is. If a researcher decides to look into other illusions and faction changes, they can do it in another thread. I can confirm Illusion: Tree / tree form still works for faction, it was mentioned it still worked but players could no longer move while in the illusion, and if they tried it locked them out of spell casting until they relogged. So, I suspect the patch note entry was not a sweeping change.
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Old 03-21-2023, 11:19 PM
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This sounds like it would affect wolf form in FV, amongst other places...

-Mcoy
I'll need to go back and find the screenshot's link as there may have been others related to the OP, but the systemwide message says it all.

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Old 03-29-2023, 12:12 AM
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Wolf Form faction was not working after this date until December 5th, 2001.

http://web.archive.org/web/200210260...ML/000410.html

This is after the scope of the project's timeline, but as it was unintended and fixed just after I think it's probably safe to leave it.
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Old 05-29-2023, 08:27 AM
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February 21st 2001; Patch goes in removing faction changes for undead illusions.
February 23rd 2001; Post on the official forums discussing the nerf.
Mar 9th 2001; Posts on Alakazam commenting on the removal of the faction from undead illusions.
Mar 14th 2001; Additional posts on Alakazam confirming the removal of faction from undead illusions.

Based on all this, a change should go in for February 21, 2001 in the timeline which removes faction changes on Amulet of Necropotence, Call of Bones, Lich and Arch Lich.
This portion is ready for implementation.

The question about wolf form; It appears the faction was bugged until December 5th, 2001, but that it was unintended. A judgment call by devs on whether to implement.

ABSOR
Station Admin posted 12-05-2001 01:08 PM
"Last night we took down each server for a short time to patch a fix for bards that couldn't sing songs. We also fixed a faction problem with wolf form."
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Old 05-30-2023, 08:55 AM
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Unintended bugs are classic! Good - I chuckle a bit when I see dead wolves on the bridge / docks (and then check their rez timers).

Though I do wonder what "traveling the Faydark" means...

-Mcoy
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