Riot kites then kills KT. Surprised no free Vulak after wiping on free attempt.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by myrddraal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In doubles far away from their engage is hardly on the tracks. 4 way was also unagroed until Klaz stood up while still having agro on vulak guards, who then socialed and killed people sitting when he stood up, then he tried to gate and was murdered, then piercing roars went out for new agro messages on Vulak guards.

I've watched the wipe from all three angles provided in the UN and none of them seem to support this claim.

Does anybody actually have any fraps that even includes Klaz, much less Klaz training anybody?

[Hideousclaw]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've watched the wipe from all three angles provided in the UN and none of them seem to support this claim.

Does anybody actually have any fraps that even includes Klaz, much less Klaz training anybody?

Likely not. They're just gonna throw in a petition so that we get double banned and then they can finally fulfill their promise to kittens that they will get loot.

[karadin]

Originally Posted by Dman2701 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I love how you keep trying to justify training people. The mental gymnastics you people do is astonishing.

Kickenit I really don’t see anyone justifying a train. If Klaz trained you then that sucks. The right thing to do since we did not wipe an active engage is to give you an unfettered attempt at the mob, which is exactly what happened. All situations of this nature should be handled like that and we would all be better off. We were trained by Riot on Eashan last week and we played on. We made our attempt and failed miserably, Riot came in and had a textbook kill.

[karadin]

Forgot to add to the above: the unfettered attempt was out of an abundance of caution while we reviewed the issue.

[Posiden]

You keep saying, "you got a free attempt" while ignoring the obvious. There would have been a free attempt regardless. You wiped. Once you wiped a free attempt was guaranteed. You pretending that you did some favor, or made some concession is pretty disingenuous at best. That'd be kind of like stealing $5 from someone, getting caught, then you giving the $5 back and claiming that was your punishment.

[karadin]

Originally Posted by Posiden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You keep saying, "you got a free attempt" while ignoring the obvious. There would have been a free attempt regardless. You wiped. Once you wiped a free attempt was guaranteed. You pretending that you did some favor, or made some concession is pretty disingenuous at best. That'd be kind of like stealing $5 from someone, getting caught, then you giving the $5 back and claiming that was your punishment.

The point made here is that Vanquish did not use Kriot’s setback as an excuse to leapfrog you with another attempt of our own. The situation played out exactly as it should have. V wiped, R wiped, V killed. The raid concern brought up did not change the course of the evening.

[Hotel]

Originally Posted by Posiden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You keep saying, "you got a free attempt" while ignoring the obvious. There would have been a free attempt regardless. You wiped. Once you wiped a free attempt was guaranteed. You pretending that you did some favor, or made some concession is pretty disingenuous at best. That'd be kind of like stealing $5 from someone, getting caught, then you giving the $5 back and claiming that was your punishment.

vanquish get a rush attempt in, wipe

riot/kittens get an unharrassed attempt, wipe

vanquish kill the mob

seems fair?

[tacomagradd]

Q3 As Vanq reads it:

Q3: If we feel our own guild/party has violated a rule, what actions should we take?
A: If you screw up, then you should concede the mob you screwed up on deny guilt, and if your competitors engage before you, claim you gave them a "free" attempt that absolves you of all guilt.

Not a bad strategy. It may work, but the petition is coming. Maybe just a PNP violation for Klaz. Who knows?

Grats on the Hobarts!

[Hotel]

Originally Posted by tacomagradd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Q3 As Vanq reads it:

Q3: If we feel our own guild/party has violated a rule, what actions should we take?
A: If you screw up, then you should concede the mob you screwed up on deny guilt, and if your competitors engage before you, claim you gave them a "free" attempt that absolves you of all guilt.

Not a bad strategy. It may work, but the petition is coming. Maybe just a PNP violation for Klaz. Who knows?

Grats on the Hobarts!

threatening with a petition

fucking losers can't even kill the mob

hope gms tell you to get bent

[Chakfor]

Originally Posted by Hotel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

threatening with a petition

fucking losers can't even kill the mob

hope gms tell you to get bent

Adorable. Really helping drive home the horrible guild reputation there. Gonna threaten to kick peoples teeth in next? Maybe accuse somebody of being an internet tough guy? Or you gonna pull a Furoar and log into another guilds alt to train them?