Riot kites then kills KT. Surprised no free Vulak after wiping on free attempt.

[Nexii]

Originally Posted by Twochain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, somebody didn't cycle camp? or what happened? that was pretty far agro no ?

Your dude trained us lol. And did it blatantly. There is no reason to run up to doubles on a wipe and FD/stand

[Loke]

Even if Klaz was at fault, which I've seen no conclusive evidence of, what did the train actually change? In an alternate universe where no train occurs, Riot still wipes trying to AE Vulak's guards (again, kudos to the Riot brain trust on that brilliant strategy), and Vanquish still kills Vulak. You guys had all the time in the world to recover, so I'm assuming you engaged at full strength, and if you didn't, that's kind of on you for rushing when you had no reason to.

This is just another instance of Riot (and their B-Team, Kittens) trying to rule lawyer free mobs that they know they can rarely get competitively. AFAIK, Riot has still never killed a Vulak without either clearing 4 way or killing a guard or two. They just can't compete in the current early engage meta that requires a 6 guard kite and 4 way train away. When they do get Vulak it is either because Vanq has low numbers and Riot can clear without worrying about Vanq doing their normal engage, or because 4 way was clear already from killing a blocker.

Again, if the shoe was on the other foot, Riot would be making the same arguments Vanq is making. We've seen them make the exact same arguments before. The Doze example I gave earlier is a similar "train" scenario, and there are a number of situations where Riot has felt that allowing the other guild a fair shot at the mob should suffice (I remember a Dagarn ledge train specifically). This is a prime example of the double standard that both guilds are admittedly guilty of at times. If we want to set the precedent that allowing the other entity a shot at engage is sufficient (which imo we absolutely should as it would reduce petition quest), here is a great opportunity to set it.

But we all know that isn't what Riot's leadership actually wants. Some people (Arcler, JB, Jute, Space) clearly love this elf lawyer BS and getting up on their soap box in the UN, so they'll continue to play the victim until the shoe is on the other foot, and then pretend Vanquish submitting similar petitions is causing toxicity.

[Nexii]

The thread title is an admission that Vanquish decided not to concede Vulak not because of the facts of what obviously happened, but because KT went to petition. Lol.

[Yinein]

I don't care who's fault it is, kittens swarming rnf is sad. Hope that helps.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by zati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Logs shows him casting shortly afterwards which implies he stood up. Recasted FD as a green drake made it over the ramp and it had a new aggro message.

None of the videos show any of this. The only thing they even show is Klaz casting spells, which is not against the rules.

[k9quaint]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Even if Klaz was at fault, which I've seen no conclusive evidence of, what did the train actually change? In an alternate universe where no train occurs, Riot still wipes trying to AE Vulak's guards (again, kudos to the Riot brain trust on that brilliant strategy), and Vanquish still kills Vulak. You guys had all the time in the world to recover, so I'm assuming you engaged at full strength, and if you didn't, that's kind of on you for rushing when you had no reason to.

This is just another instance of Riot (and their B-Team, Kittens) trying to rule lawyer free mobs that they know they can rarely get competitively. AFAIK, Riot has still never killed a Vulak without either clearing 4 way or killing a guard or two. They just can't compete in the current early engage meta that requires a 6 guard kite and 4 way train away. When they do get Vulak it is either because Vanq has low numbers and Riot can clear without worrying about Vanq doing their normal engage, or because 4 way was clear already from killing a blocker.

Again, if the shoe was on the other foot, Riot would be making the same arguments Vanq is making. We've seen them make the exact same arguments before. The Doze example I gave earlier is a similar "train" scenario, and there are a number of situations where Riot has felt that allowing the other guild a fair shot at the mob should suffice (I remember a Dagarn ledge train specifically). This is a prime example of the double standard that both guilds are admittedly guilty of at times. If we want to set the precedent that allowing the other entity a shot at engage is sufficient (which imo we absolutely should as it would reduce petition quest), here is a great opportunity to set it.

But we all know that isn't what Riot's leadership actually wants. Some people (Arcler, JB, Jute, Space) clearly love this elf lawyer BS and getting up on their soap box in the UN, so they'll continue to play the victim until the shoe is on the other foot, and then pretend Vanquish submitting similar petitions is causing toxicity.

If you had conceded, we would have taken the free Vulak and tried the science next week. In any case, Vanquish will implode eventually. The same group always have in the past, and probably always will. We just have to be patient while you are in your pupal stage [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[remen]

Originally Posted by Nexii [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The thread title is an admission that Vanquish decided not to concede Vulak not because of the facts of what obviously happened, but because KT went to petition. Lol.

The thread title was created by one member of the guild. To extrapolate that into the decision making and mindset of Vanquish as a whole demonstrates a lack of intelligence.

Vanquish decided not to concede Vulak because we didn't train you.

[Arvan]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Even if Klaz was at fault, which I've seen no conclusive evidence of, what did the train actually change? In an alternate universe where no train occurs, Riot still wipes trying to AE Vulak's guards (again, kudos to the Riot brain trust on that brilliant strategy), and Vanquish still kills Vulak. You guys had all the time in the world to recover, so I'm assuming you engaged at full strength, and if you didn't, that's kind of on you for rushing when you had no reason to.

This is just another instance of Riot (and their B-Team, Kittens) trying to rule lawyer free mobs that they know they can rarely get competitively. AFAIK, Riot has still never killed a Vulak without either clearing 4 way or killing a guard or two. They just can't compete in the current early engage meta that requires a 6 guard kite and 4 way train away. When they do get Vulak it is either because Vanq has low numbers and Riot can clear without worrying about Vanq doing their normal engage, or because 4 way was clear already from killing a blocker.

Again, if the shoe was on the other foot, Riot would be making the same arguments Vanq is making. We've seen them make the exact same arguments before. The Doze example I gave earlier is a similar "train" scenario, and there are a number of situations where Riot has felt that allowing the other guild a fair shot at the mob should suffice (I remember a Dagarn ledge train specifically). This is a prime example of the double standard that both guilds are admittedly guilty of at times. If we want to set the precedent that allowing the other entity a shot at engage is sufficient (which imo we absolutely should as it would reduce petition quest), here is a great opportunity to set it.

But we all know that isn't what Riot's leadership actually wants. Some people (Arcler, JB, Jute, Space) clearly love this elf lawyer BS and getting up on their soap box in the UN, so they'll continue to play the victim until the shoe is on the other foot, and then pretend Vanquish submitting similar petitions is causing toxicity.

Trains are ok if they don't change anything? What?

[Loke]

Originally Posted by Arvan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Trains are ok if they don't change anything? What?

I must have missed the part where I said that.

What I did say was that in the past, Riot has been fine with the notion that allowing the aggrieved party the chance to recover and get a shot at the mob is adequate compensation for a train if the contested mob is still in play. However, they only seem to bring this up when they are the one who caused the train. When they think they've been trained, that seems to go out the window and they demand concessions.

That said, still no convincing proof Klaz actually caused the train.

[Hotel]

Originally Posted by k9quaint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you had conceded, we would have taken the free Vulak and tried the science next week. In any case, Vanquish will implode eventually. The same group always have in the past, and probably always will. We just have to be patient while you are in your pupal stage [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

every guild ever has risen and fallen on this server, so yes, vanquish will die at some point

however, your guild is DYING, and i source your population numbers that respond to vulak bat phones as evidence of this

that is very different