Want to Start a Rogue and Just want to Make Sure I Understand a Couple Things

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by fortior [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shamans aren't very good grouping partners while leveling, and they only get focus of spirit at 60. At 39, when shamans become a little less awful to group with due to the introduction of Venom of the Snake and Canni 2, they can buff strength by a whopping 34. Not relying on buffs to deal max damage (which, again, is your job) means one less point of failure.

Shamans are great grouping partners while leveling.

They get haste, buffs, slow, and can keep up with Cleric healing into the 50s.

You should know this if you want to keep claiming your knowledge is vastly superior.

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[Toxigen]

this is getting stupid

for this OP, the answer is STR

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

this is getting stupid

for this OP, the answer is STR

The answer is STA for OP, he has 20k worth of twink gear. If you want to claim a bit of starting STR is going to be a big deal, suggest that OP rolls Barbarian instead. Rogues have illusion masks for fashion.

[fortior]

On a rogue, my ideal duo partner would be a necro. If I'm rolling a gnome, chances are I'll be running into a lot more of those than shamans from the get-go as well. Anyway, OP, the best advice has already been offered. Given that you want to start a gnome rogue, your best starting stat is maxing strength. The people who say you should max stamina are like the people who say to max starting charisma on warriors, don't worry about them.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Don't worry about people who have to resort to insults and "ignore everybody else" statements when they cannot back up their opinions, like fortior.

STR is easily capped in Velious, and it is easy to get good DPS with Velious weapons and cheap worn haste. Groups do not kick Rogues because they have 150 STR instead of 175 STR.

STA will give you returns, while capped STR will not.

[Ripqozko]

Another DSM thread, yikes.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't worry about people who have to resort to insults and "ignore everybody else" statements when they cannot back up their opinions, like fortior.

STR is easily capped in Velious, and it is easy to get good DPS with Velious weapons and cheap worn haste. Groups do not kick Rogues because they have 150 STR instead of 175 STR.

STA will give you returns, while capped STR will not.

Your only argument for STA is that it’s harder to cap than STR. By this logic, you might as well just go CHA then, because it’s harder to cap CHA than STA. You haven’t actually provided evidence that capping STA quicker benefits the rogue. And we could actually measure more CHA leading to more pp gains.

Recommending STA on a rogue is about as crazy as recommending it on a Wiz.

[Jimjam]

Idk … a decent list of gear (i appreciate it doesn’t fill all slots) only hitting 160 str imo is an argument for dumping str more. Most toons aren’t gonna be followed around by a 60 shaman the majority of the time, much less one wanting to double buff. Most levels you can’t even get that buff combo. Most of a toons work is 1-60. 60 content is mostly an afterthought where as a single dps you are a small cog in the machine.

Dumping str and maybe 1 more mediocre str item is basically taking the rogue to cap with just FoS which is a lot more convenient. Imo its best to get within 40 of cap so you can get maxed by a druid girdling your karanas.

Furthermore high str is a great mitigation against cripple spells. If you are relying on buffs then cripple becomes doubly effective.

40-60 you will fight a lot of cripply casters.

More loot, less buff grovelling, better cripple resilience. Choose str.

Or charisma for roleplay factor of convincing guards you’re innocent, spy techniques to extract info, finding and extorting fences, etc.

[Pint]

OP states he's never played a rogue and asks whether he should opt for schw vs fbss. Obv he's got his pocket shaman secured and already has his path to 60 and raid loot progression spreadsheet finalized.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your only argument for STA is that it’s harder to cap than STR. By this logic, you might as well just go CHA then, because it’s harder to cap CHA than STA. You haven’t actually provided evidence that capping STA quicker benefits the rogue. And we could actually measure more CHA leading to more pp gains.

Recommending STA on a rogue is about as crazy as recommending it on a Wiz.

Your argument is 43 STR is not needed, but 25 STR is needed. It's nonsense. If you thought OP needs strength, you wouldn't advise they roll gnome. You would tell them to roll barbarian.

When you argue that fashion > stats, you are admitting starting stats aren't a big deal. OP could do just fine by dumping their starting stats into WIS.

You might as well put your points into the harder to cap stat, STA, since it doesn't matter too much anyway. You get a bonus throughout your toons life, including endgame, by putting your points into STA.

STR is easy to cap, it is the easiest stat to cap in the game. With 20k you can get enough STR and WR bags. Nobody is going to kick you from a group/raid because you have 150 STR instead of 175 STR. If that did occur, you would be telling people to roll barbarian.