Game Mechanics: Classic vs Non Classic

[Syft-X]

Currently the term Classic is being used as a catch 22 to push an agenda on the forums that favors certain classes and unbalances others.

For Example:

A classic lvl of resists has been instituted that is both impractical and unbalancing to gameplay in PvP. The threshold for resists has been set so low that the average lvl 60 character is now immune to every dmg spell without an extreme modifier(like Lure or Lifetap)

This is highly impractical when one considers the game knowledge available now and average lvl of gear attained by players, and this problem will become even worse during velious.

The disparity between melee's and casters grows the lower you set resist thresholds for immunity. Especially when we ignore the fact that dmg caps have not been set on melee's(backstabs can land for 1000 a piece and 2000 for 2) and that melee's here hit nearly twice as hard as they did during even velious era in kunark. This has a huge impact in both PVE and PVP as Rogues can out burst a wizard in DPS something which did not happen on live during classic. Over a short time span a wizard always parsed the highest dps in raid. This was balanced in the fact that a wizards dps was finite bound by a mana pool and rogues was infinite.

The problem is all melees dealing far to much dmg and casters being nerfed by rigid adherence to what is deemed classic in a unclassic world. Compounded further by the fact that here AC does not factor into misses, but hit or miss rolls solely off a players weapon skill. Which is essentially a one sided attack, which would be like spells rolling off alteration without factoring the targets resists.

I do not advocate rigidly adhering to all things classic, but rather sticking to the "FEEL" of classic pvp. If we are going to blindly institute all things classic then we must institute mechanics like Charm and Fear landing on players. See Below...



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July 24, 2002
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- Pet Resistance Changes: Pets will now use their master's level and
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** PvP **

- Fixed a bug on Tallon and Vallon Zek that made player characters in
non-human illusions immune to ranged attacks.
- It is no longer possible for PC's to fear other PC's at all on any
server. The same was also done for charm.
- Pets can no longer be affected by charm spells. This should fix the
issue that caused charm spells to make pets disappear.
- NPCs who are pets of players and call for help from other NPCs will
have their cries fall on deaf ears.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/hist...es-2002-2.html

[Smedy]

holy wall of text batman, whats the tldr?

[Syft-X]

Originally Posted by Smedy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

holy wall of text batman, whats the tldr?

Basically you cant set resists to classic lvls on a progression server 15 years after live. The average gear is way beyond what it was on live and if this lvl of gear was attained verant would have changed things.

Melee dmg still set to high and not capped when caster dmg has been nerfed due to low resists thresholds set.

If we blindly institute it's Classic then we have to add Fear and Charm on players, and nobody really wants that.

[Crazycloud]

I posted about fear/charm working in pvp on our timeline long ago but lets be real...

This server is far from classic and they just use the word "Classic" to change what they want to change.

[Wrench]

Originally Posted by Smedy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

holy wall of text batman, whats the tldr?

sounds like you need something to help you concentrate and pay attention to detail

some sort of study drug or something

[Syft-X]

Originally Posted by Crazycloud [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I posted about fear/charm working in pvp on our timeline long ago but lets be real...

This server is far from classic and they just use the word "Classic" to change what they want to change.

I agree and it has worked!

Not classic is being used by MANY people to lawyer-doctor resists at an impractical level, and currently resists are set to CLASSIC levels in a world where the average gearset is 2-3x what it was during this era.

Basically melee's are fine being nigh invulnerable to all spells due to them being classic.
But mention Fear or charm and suddenly were being silly.

[Nirgon]

Look at the timeline for fear and charm in pvp again

Look at Kunark release date, our current time line and Velious release date

Aoe fear is another matter but much like bard stacking would likely be a major pain to code

[Syft-X]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Look at the timeline for fear and charm in pvp again

Look at Kunark release date, our current time line and Velious release date

Aoe fear is another matter but much like bard stacking would likely be a major pain to code

Kunark Release date:
April 24, 2000

Velious Release date:
December 5, 2000

Charm/Fear Nerf Date
July 2002

I'm not advocating the addition of Fear or charm in PvP. I'm advocating a return to common sense, where we look at the server realistically based on what it is NOW and not use "It's Classic" to lawyer doctor resists to an impractical level that didn't reflect how spells were used in regards to gear ratio on live.

If you are going to use the "It's Classic" argument to add all sorts of nonsensical mechanics that do not fit the current environment, than you are not afforded the luxury of picking and choosing what you wish from classic and what you don't.

[Nirgon]

You think players could be charmed and feared all through Kunark? 8)

Final answer?

AoE fear btw

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March 29, 2000
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This morning's update consisted primarily of server-side changes to
improve performance of the game engine in general. No items, spawns,
spells (with the exceptions below), etc., were changed as a result of
this patch.

Area Effect "Fear" spells will no longer work in PvP. This affects a
bard song, as well as the Cleric "Wave of Fear" spell.

[Colgate]

"lawyer-doctoring" resists is ruining the server

you heard it here first, folks