Defund and Reform the Police

[unsunghero]

There are separate courts in my state for homeless people, so that they don’t clog up our court systems with their minor infractions. These courts for homeless people basically are constantly releasing homeless from all loitering or other minor charges without fines, jail time, or any other penalty, because they recognize that these penalties will not do any good for preventing the problem

Maybe do some research into your own city’s court system before you claim that homelessness is criminalized

Care for the mentally ill? Where, at your house? How are you going to force a paranoid mentally ill person to stay on their medications? You going to be the one to hold them down and give them an injection each month? Or do you want to lock them up in a hospital, that they DON’T want to be in, against their will for months/years on end to keep them stable on their meds that way? Are you going to be the one to rip the illegal drugs out of their hands, to force them to stop using those?

Who’s going to pay for those institutions? How much money do you think it is, per month, to provide a trained staff of licensed clinicians, nurses, doctors, etc, room and board, and food for homeless in these hospitals. You going to pay for all that?

I love progressives and their grandiose ideals with absolutely zero real world applicable knowledge

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not to be callous, but those are part of the risks of the job.

Like firemen suffering from smoke inhalation, medical professionals being exposed to sickness, bar tenders knocking boots with drunk chicks who need a ride home.

And not to be callous but most people including you, wouldn’t do it because they are too much of a coward to put their lives on the line

But they’ll armchair quarterback the shit out of something they don’t understand. They have no formal training in self defense, or de-escalation strategies. Just like people love to be armchair psychologists online with no formal education

[Pulgasari]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are separate courts in my state for homeless people, so that they don’t clog up our court systems with their minor infractions. These courts for homeless people basically are constantly releasing homeless from all loitering or other minor charges without fines, jail time, or any other penalty, because they recognize that these penalties will not do any good for preventing the problem

Maybe do some research into your own city’s court system before you claim that homelessness is criminalized

Care for the mentally ill? Where, at your house? How are you going to force a paranoid mentally ill person to stay on their medications? You going to be the one to hold them down and give them an injection each month? Or do you want to lock them up in a hospital, that they DON’T want to be in, against their will for months/years on end to keep them stable on their meds that way? Are you going to be the one to rip the illegal drugs out of their hands, to force them to stop using those?

Who’s going to pay for those institutions? How much money do you think it is, per month, to provide a trained staff of licensed clinicians, nurses, doctors, etc, room and board, and food for homeless in these hospitals. You going to pay for all that?

I love progressives and their grandiose ideals with absolutely zero real world applicable knowledge

This can be distilled into "better things aren't possible", which may be true in fact. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And not to be callous but most people including you, wouldn’t do it because they are too much of a coward to put their lives on the line

But they’ll armchair quarterback the shit out of something they don’t understand. They have no formal training in self defense, or de-escalation strategies. Just like people love to be armchair psychologists online with no formal education

Lol, I've worked as a waterways operative which is far more dangerous than being a plod on a beat, but thanks.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Pulgasari [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This can be distilled into "better things aren't possible", which may be true in fact. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Locking homeless in a hospital or institution against their will is considered kidnapping and illegal, so you would need a court order. Sounds a lot like criminalizing homelessness: taking them to court to remove their liberties to live where they want and to imprison them in a hospital

Taking hardcore illegal drugs out of homeless people’s hands to prevent them from doing organic damage to their brain chemicals with these? Need police for that. I know progressives assume that there is some “magic” phrase that a substance abuse counselor can say that will instantly make someone decide to give up their heroin or meth addiction, because that’s how it goes in the feelgood movies progressives watch. Turns out, in real life, SOME people are going to continue to use drugs until it kills them and nothing anyone says, not their mom, not a counselor, not Joe Biden, is going to change their mind. What’s the solution for these people? Continue to give them clean needles while the children of the city’s citizens get to watch the homeless person’s slow suicide to drug addiction play out on the street in front of them? That compassion? Or is compassion having the police take the drugs out of their hands, and at the very least destroy those drugs, at most to put the homeless into a forced psychiatric hold or even jail to make them temporarily sober that way? I imagine a lot of people would say neither way is more compassionate

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol, I've worked as a waterways operative which is far more dangerous than being a plod on a beat, but thanks.

Then it must be the pay that keeps you from doing the easy, safe job of being a police officer. And here I thought they got paid well to to beat and harass innocent people

[Pulgasari]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Locking homeless in a hospital or institution against their will is considered kidnapping and illegal, so you would need a court order. Sounds a lot like criminalizing homelessness: taking them to court to remove their liberties to live where they want and to imprison them in a hospital

Taking hardcore illegal drugs out of homeless people’s hands to prevent them from doing organic damage to their brain chemicals with these? Need police for that. I know progressives assume that there is some “magic” phrase that a substance abuse counselor can say that will instantly make someone decide to give up their heroin or meth addiction, because that’s how it goes in the feelgood movies progressives watch. Turns out, in real life, SOME people are going to continue to use drugs until it kills them and nothing anyone says, not their mom, not a counselor, not Joe Biden, is going to change their mind. What’s the solution for these people? Continue to give them clean needles while the children of the city’s citizens get to watch the homeless person’s slow suicide to drug addiction play out on the street in front of them? That compassion? Or is compassion having the police take the drugs out of their hands, and at the very least destroy those drugs, at most to put the homeless into a forced psychiatric hold or even jail to make them temporarily sober that way? I imagine a lot of people would say neither way is more compassionate

Even people we dislike have Constitutional rights. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Feature, not bug.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Pulgasari [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Even people we dislike have Constitutional rights. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Feature, not bug.

Exactly. Maybe eventually you can start reminding progressives that say “we just need better mental health treatment!” that 99.9% of people experiencing paranoia or psychosis are 100% not aware that what they are experiencing is a mental health symptom and not real. And those people will get increasingly pissed off as you or anyone else tries to convince them otherwise, same as you would if I tried to convince you the chair you are sitting on isn’t real. So how do you get them to take the medications that you know will help them but that THEIR brain is telling them is either worthless or even worse, some kind of a poison to control them?

In these situations you HAVE to involve the legal system, and start taking away some rights. And now we are opening up the possibility of physical resistance, combativeness, and the need for police. Progressives don’t realize any of this because they can’t think even one step beyond “we need to improve our mental health systems!”, such as how that would could/would play out in the real world

[Pulgasari]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Exactly. Maybe eventually you can start reminding progressives that say “we just need better mental health treatment!” that 99.9% of people experiencing paranoia or psychosis are 100% not aware that what they are experiencing is a mental health symptom and not real. And those people will get increasingly pissed off as you or anyone else tries to convince them otherwise, same as you would if I tried to convince you the chair you are sitting on isn’t real. So how do you get them to take the medications that you know will help them but that THEIR brain is telling them is either worthless or even worse, some kind of a poison to control them?

In these situations you HAVE to involve the legal system, and start taking away some rights. And now we are opening up the possibility of physical resistance, combativeness, and the need for police. Progressives don’t realize any of this because they can’t think even one step beyond “we need to improve our mental health systems!”, such as how that would could/would play out in the real world

I think if they can do it to them, they can do it us. It never stops at just one outgroup.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then it must be the pay that keeps you from doing the easy, safe job of being a police officer. And here I thought they got paid well to to beat and harass innocent people

A massive non sequitur. You're just blindly flinging and seeing what sticks.