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Screen Sharing & the High End Raid Scene
Yesterday, while I sat at Phara Dar and contemplated my life decisions for almost 16 hours waiting for a purple dragon to spawn in a 17 year old elf sim, something about screen sharing came across my desk. I had heard that it was possibly something that TMO and IB had done back in the day and I raised the question to the staff about it's legality.
For those of you that don't know, screen sharing is when a face tracker is logged in by a single person, then uses skype or other types of means, to broadcast his screen to the rest of his guild thus allowing everyone in his guild to bind sight essentially. This lets you crowd source tracking. Now you might be thinking, doesn't this violate the idea of "one person, one computer" which in essence is the boxing rule on Project 1999? The answer to that question is no, according to Sirken, through his messenger Braknar, it is not considered boxing. The logic behind the ruling is that it had been happening since the IB and TMO days, the staff was aware of this, and never really felt the need to elaborate on the policy specifically. It's still happening to this day, it was happening last night at Phara Dar even. [Mon Apr 04 01:03:32 2016] You told Fifield, 'so if you guys aren't bind sighting how are you watching this' [Mon Apr 04 01:03:40 2016] Fifield tells you, 'skype' Additionally, because the other people in the guild can't control the account they are watching through screen share it doesn't really count at boxing even though it could be perceived as boxing. So this should be the norm going forward for your 17 year old classic elf sim. I'm just letting all raid guilds know that they should be adding this to their strats immediately if they want to keep up with the Joneses. PS: warping eyeballs through walls to make them pop to the entrance has also been deemed legal from what I've been told, although I don't have a Sirken ruling in black and white for that one. YMMV.
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Most recently, as this rule wasn't abused much because of the severe penalties associated with pathing exploitation, Rampage ate a heavy suspension (forfeiture of several mobs) for this at the early release of velious. | |||
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Regarding the screen shares, yep that's how foot races go on this server. That's what gets people off the starting line so quickly. There is no reaction time necessary for the person watching to spam a hotkey or key up in voice chat to alert people of the spawn.
I think this practice is 100% dumb, however I have no idea how you could moderate it's use. So enjoy those Kael footraces that Sirken didn't get any petitions out of! -------- Warping eyeball through the wall is *pseudo classic*. On live during this era, it would function sort of like it does here with one primary exception. If there is a second floor directly underneath that wall the eye would drop to that second floor. http://www.monkly-business.net/forum...hp/t-8629.html Quote:
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I've never heard of any ruling for or against it though. I'm sure all guilds will abide to whatever Sirken, Rogean or Nilbog hand down. But personally I'd favor getting the classic mechanics of the behavior handled and allowed for classic. It's possible Nilbog knew the classic mechanics and just set the default location to be the evac point to prevent the inevitable trains from a randomly chosen eye summon location if casted into a wall (which would be admittedly hilarious though extremely easy to grief with)
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this is a real thread.
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Found some references directly against screen sharing/skype/twitch/broadcast tracking - although not from a GM these quotes are pretty legit cases.
http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...9&postcount=26 http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...9&postcount=28 Screw this, I'm installing The Division. Some of ya'll need Jesus. ------edit------- How is this (using an external program) any different that using MQ, Autofire, etc? Just because the technology exists doesn't mean it should be legit. The same people doing this are the people who probably argue that the server isn't "classic" ...lol
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With the exception of maybe only Ele, people only care about "classic" when it benefits their agenda/game play.
Also, I think the Skype thing is realistically more an issue about enforcement. There's no real way to monitor it, thus you can't regulate/ban it. High end raiding largely (but not entirely) revolves around, "it's not cheating unless you get caught". Also, Chest, you're right that Amelinda handed that ruling down to the player level, but I'm pretty sure I have a message somewhere saying that Nilbog was behind it being a banned practice. However, as Daldean said, I also remember it being a classic mechanic. | ||
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Yeah, we messed with that some a while ago and chose not to do it because it seemed dirty. Our choice. I get that.
There was a lot of talk on Sunday about the ability and dedication to commit resources as the differentiation between the top guilds and those in the middle/bottom. But there's another axis to that, too. It's self-regulation. And Unbrella speaks to that when he says: High end raiding largely (but not entirely) revolves around, "it's not cheating unless you get caught". However you want to parse that and however much of that you want to own of that or not, it's a stance that many humans take. Reference the doping in sports, for example. Also invoke the similar notion that: if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying here. So hypothetically (and I'm not talking screen sharing here - I'm talking generally), if we accept the notion that some people behave that way - and that some self-regulate differently (try to follow the rules out of principle) - you eventually end up with an uneven playing field. A race, as it were, that's unwinnable by a subset of the contestants (a non-doper doesn't beat Lance Armstrong on a bike). (Again, I'm not talking about footraces in Kael, but conceptually.) I'm not accusing anyone of anything here. That needs to be clear. I'm just setting up the construct (that we probably all know is real). But that construct speaks to success (high-value target kills) every bit as much as the notion of "devoting resources" to kills does. And shouldn't be ignored as an element in the mix - although we didn't speak to it directly on Sunday. -------------------- That said, and completely detached from the conceptual above, we weren't even running in the same race on Sunday. And that makes me feel stupid for getting up at 2am my time and spending 4 hours staring at the screen before real life intervened. And, worse, asking others to do the same.
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The next evolution will be the level 5 ogre army alts all screen sharing to win the Kael races. Can't wait.
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Why dont you gather your monks and rogues in tov one night this week and race each other to random locations in ntov. Feel free to get back to us with your results.
Also realize that our reach isn't going to diminish in any specific area if uncapped races are the norm. We're simply going to establish conventions with awakened for whatever targets we are jointly pursuing and sink all of our spare resources into unregulated races. Youre best option is to compete with us on equal footing on a target by target basis, leaving us unrestricted is a mistake.
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