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Borrows a little from all over the class list. Safe fall (mnk, rog) helps prevent a lot of inadvertent runspeed damage before travelsong. Forage, track (dru/rng) and pick lock, sneak, hide (rogue). Separately none of it stands out, esp at the skill cap, but together all of it equates to a general convenience/QOL feature. Can't bind, gate, or port, but it has the fastest movement speed to compensate, turning West Karana into a leisurely jaunt. Quote:
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Jack-of-all-trades might not be a perfect description, but how else could they be described? While technically INT casters, they aren't dependent on mana, who can move around while casting (assuming the INT caster doesn't return to the original loc to finish channeling). At higher levels they can once again do decent melee damage, having every excuse to downshift into that role thanks to groupwide procs and epic modifier. Quote:
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bard single target DPS when three-chanting is often overlooked. it's above average without the epic and with it's very high
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when this thread was started i never expected to see someone trying to argue bards were at the bottom. same for druids (though underpowered, their versatility definitely prevents them from being the most UP)
wiz takes my vote unfortunately would be mage, but their sdps and peripheral utility to others keeps them out of the bottom. hard to argue that, if rogbog offered to non classically buff a single class, that it shouldn't be a wizard | ||
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I've played EQ since beta. Not once have I been in a situation (outside of wanting a port or PL) where I was like "Man I wish we had a druid" | |||
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As far as tanking goes, bards are on par with rogues. They get marginally higher HP and they can wear plate, but their parry and dodge skills cap significantly lower, so it's about equal. If you take a fully ToV-geared bard to tank the Hole, I'm sure it'll probably be fine. Under real-life conditions, it's not a thing. A ToV-geared cleric could probably tank leveling content with a slower. Shamans tank guardian wurms all day and they don't even have any real defensive skills. This is not a measure of viability in conventional gameplay settings. Maybe you can come up with some fantastical scenario where there's a group in which the bard is forced to be the tank, and then it's probably better than having the fucking wizard do it. But in reality, it's not a thing that happens with any sort of regularity, and it certainly isn't good. Bards are certainly useful in the one role that they inhabit, but they don't have the kind of versatility that lets them fill more than one role. They're pullers with mild CC and haste/resists/manasong. Stop pretending they're also DPS and tanks. When was the last time you had a bard in your group and then invited another one, when it wasn't the only option available? Yeah? Yeah. | |||
Last edited by socialist; 05-18-2022 at 08:08 PM..
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Literally no one has called bard's a "one trick pony" in like 20 years. It's funny when people are pretending their some wizened prophet when they're just like "diD you kNow bards cAn MeZ and Haste????"
It's not like they're going to do ALL of those things in every group. The average XP group is so mind numbing that it's not worth it to give yourself carpal tunnel to squeeze an extra 1.5% xp per hour. | ||
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Bards can provide CC or DPS. Bards can also tank. Pulling is probably the role that suits them best though. Quote:
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Last edited by Ennewi; 05-19-2022 at 06:23 AM..
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Just to add to the replies to socialist, gauging a class's usefulness by whether you'd be happy having two of them in a group is moronic. The only people I'd be happy to have two of in a group is like maybe a Rogue or a Monk and only then when the other important roles are filled, maybe Enchanter if they're both willing to charm pets.
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