Warriors are useless in 90% of the games content

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're misunderstanding; when I said dual wield, I mean swapping to an offhand weapon inbetween 2-hander swings.

Ah man … not this horse shit again.

[Toxigen]

yeah so back in the real world 2 handers are pretty sweet these days

premo 1 handers for raiding

[Samoht]

That's not even going to work. When you remove your 2h, your offhand is basically going to fire immediately. You'd then equip your offhand weapon and hope that your main hand doesn't fire before you get the 2 hander back in.

Guaranteed dps loss.

The only reason weapon twisting works for monks is because they have h2h skill. You watch combat logs, wait for 2h swing, then unequip, wait for fist swing, re-equip. It works for warriors the exact same way, except it does significantly less damage.

Not worth.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ah man … not this horse shit again.

its like DSM variant has arrived

[Gloomlord]

Ironic, considering he went off at DSM for a while.

[Ripqozko]

He who remains

[enjchanter]

I'm bout to go zero mode

[Snaggles]

Most knights can just hover-swap their epic and not lose anything off the delay timer. Even the SK epic vs the tunare sword is a 6 delay difference pre-haste (for those w/o slam).

The issue is...its not much dps. Even a hover click isnt worth it. Hell, it's barely worth kicking as anything but a monk on a raid target. My last ranger vindi I did 100 dps and just over 11k damage, I kicked three times, I did a total of 20 damage from kick.

The off-hand swap isnt worth it. Most quality 2h's are around 40 delay, fully hasted that's 20 delay. It's 2 seconds before your MH fires. If you are doing enough damage to be noticable on a parse you are more worried about dumping aggro and not dying than swapping in an offhand weapon for more dps.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is at max 1 person (you) out there doing this.

Wrong, it has been happening since 1999, and the Warrior and Monk who won BotB did this. If you are too lazy to put the effort in, that is your own problem. Granted, the amount of robotic execution it requires without a macro is not the most fun, but playing melee in this game is not that fun anyway. Might as well do something more than stand around autoattacking when it matters for a fight.

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's not even going to work. When you remove your 2h, your offhand is basically going to fire immediately.

You don't understand how it works. You don't leave auto-attack on. Using auto-attack isn't needed at all, weapon attacks can be manually pressed.

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The off-hand swap isnt worth it.

Yes it is, you're going to get a 20% DPS increase at minimum. That can absolutely make the difference between being able to solo something or not with a character, and for the general amount of MOB's you can farm when grinding.

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most quality 2h's are around 40 delay, fully hasted that's 20 delay.

2+ seconds is sufficient to do the swaps but there are many times where a melee does not have full haste (aka, playing actual classic EQ before everyone has full haste gear/buffs, or any time a melee is doing something without a high level Enchanter around to buff them). It was 4+ second attack delays for Warriors in many situations in 1999, hence why the technique was born. It's boring as fuck standing around and just staring at the screen waiting for your character to do something, and the DPS increase when swapping is very noticeable.

[Crede]

I'm going to pull a DSM here and demand some logs to see what the actual DPS difference could be. If it amounts to like 1-2 dps tops, not worth it IMO to go totally apeshit with APM. Despite what people think, player fatigue is a thing and you will burn out faster doing this. If it's going to be more significant, say for instance similar to what the 52/58 SK pet can put out, then I could potentially be on board.