Why did the Kael FTE rules change?

[Gatordash]

Originally Posted by Dogma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

:imagine: caring more about pixels more than classic.

Imagine your guild not being led by wolves.

[condap99]

Originally Posted by gundumbwing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not sure why the people up top feel changing around multiple aspects of the game all unclassic-like to try and keep the "classic feel" of not having rotations (which WERE classic) when that single "unclassic" feature would literally solve most raid problems while still keeping the same exact feeling of classic EQ while raiding.

It's quite obvious by now that the idea of "classic EQ competiton" is something that will never exist in its classic form in this day and age. And no, all the years of constant cheating on almost all sides isn't competition and never will be, and you won't be able to Jedi neckbeard trick that bull into me.

Competition is in no way intended to emulate classic. Competition is the intersection of classic EQ raiding with modern day esports. What you appear to be championing is a notion that has not ever existed on p99, nor is there much appetite for it. The general idea within the raiding community is that if you seek zero competition, don't like this form of competition, or prefer to have an instance - there are plenty of games and servers out there for you - it's just not p99.

Also, just because you don't appear to enjoy this form of competition does not mean that it has been rife with cheating. Almost without exception, we believe that competition has been on the up and up, and sometimes you win, and sometimes you lose. The fact that it can be cheated, and the statement that is has constantly been cheated are two very different things.

[Ripqozko]

This is what happens when you don’t got warder loot , yikes.

[condap99]

Originally Posted by Toryas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What's the issue here?

A guild should be handicapped for having a large Eurasia timezone population?

Why should a guild get the chance to send a few players to race for an FTE and then have 2 hours ring fenced until people wake up and log in to have an attempt?

If you can't get a raid force mustered by the time you get FTE yellow text, you shouldn't have the rights to kill it.

No - a guild should not be handicapped for having a large euro/asian population. However, a guild should also not win exclusively because of that either.

The beauty of pull era was that whether your guild was 35 people or 135 people, your guild had a chance. Yes, you had to set up a pull team, and you had to put into place the infrastructure (coth mages at strategic locations, bind points, clickies) - but these obstacles were universal and achievable.

By competing at the spawn point, the 35 person guild and the 135 person guild aren't even playing the same sport. It's no longer about killing the mob. It's about killing the mob with 10 other mobs being trained in various directions so that the 35 person guild cannot compete.

That is why the rule systems are being worked, and ultimately why TOV will either be changed, or blue will continue to wither into nothing.

Also, you never had to have a raid force at time of yellow text. You had to have it mustered by the time it came to camp. And to make this system more fair to smaller guilds, it was switched to a FTE 1hr lockout. This gave small guilds a chance to compete and was very successful. Of course at the time, very few of the smaller guilds showed up, and this is why it was reversed. Really it was only Rustle who used this system to the fullest.

[condap99]

Originally Posted by gundumbwing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

5 years of bickering to get non classic rules changed to other non classic rules sounds just as fuckin lame. At least that 3rd "unclassic, yet happened in classic" option literally forces the only problems with the raid scene to go away entirely.

Not like it's been multiple years of proof that you man children can't play nice and raid without cheat and bend/break rules to add more shineys to your museum exhibits. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm sorry, but your description of things really outs you as not a member of the raiding community. I'm not certain why anyone should take your opinions seriously.

[Dogma]

Originally Posted by Gatordash [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Imagine your guild not being led by wolves.

It's pretty funny to me that a thread about struggling to stay relevant has comments like this. You guys keep trying to pull the same thread but it's not going to bother me lol. Keep struggling with it tho bud.

Anyways here's something actually relevant to the discussion. Enjoy trying to unclassic the server.

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[kaev]

Originally Posted by Dogma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's pretty funny to me that a thread about struggling to stay relevant has comments like this. You guys keep trying to pull the same thread but it's not going to bother me lol. Keep struggling with it tho bud.

Anyways here's something actually relevant to the discussion. Enjoy trying to unclassic the server.

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If only he had carried out that threat a couple dozen times, the notion might've stuck.

[Gatordash]

Originally Posted by Dogma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anyways here's something actually relevant to the discussion. Enjoy trying to unclassic the server.

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Maybe you should post that screenshot to Riot guildleaders while they try to get Concessions for a rogue that was sneak/hide and never went past the entryway mobs and trying to call them a "racer" for statue.

[Mikebro]

Originally Posted by selfproclaimedmemberoftheraidingcommunity [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm sorry, but your description of things really outs you as not a member of the raiding community. I'm not certain why anyone should take your opinions seriously.

Who?

[Bagavan]

Originally Posted by Gatordash [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe you should post that screenshot to Riot guildleaders while they try to get Concessions for a rogue that was sneak/hide and never went past the entryway mobs and trying to call them a "racer" for statue.

Why would there be concessions when these new raid rules were never posted? Also, the new raid changes that were discussed in this underground chat never said anything about pull assists going past the line after a spawn right? Confused what the issue is here. I'm guessing Riot leveraged a "conceded" Statue they never actually had FTE on for some King Tormaxs?