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[Pringles]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What school are you going to? College cost me 41k a year

Unless you're talking med school or some sort of flight school.... you got ripped off, sir.

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What school are you going to? College cost me 41k a year

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

4 years of education at a state university.

Unless you went to an Ivy League (or the comparable) no private university is worth 40k+/yr.

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You won't be seeing legacy items sold for platinum by npcs. Sorry.

Is consideration being given to a scenario like the Casinos in Luclin where you could win a Gold Ticket and turn it in for a chance at a guise or other (mostly worthless) items?

[zforrestal]

Originally Posted by Pheer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Devaluing currency would just make RMTers have to tweak their pp:dollar ratio a little. The amount of devaluing you'd have to do to make RMT not worth it for them would probably do irreparable damage to the economy.

Also making an npc that sells shit like guises straight up for large amounts of platinum is beyond retarded no matter how short the window to buy it. And it does nothing for stopping RMT plat laundering.

In fact making an npc that sells guises just promotes RMT since most people dont have that kind of pp and would be desperate to get their hands on a guise. If gms announced such a npc would be available tomorrow for 24 hours I would be willing to bet that every RMT'ers plat supply would be dry before the npc was removed again.

Yet devaluing currency is the ONLY way to stop RMT's... you have to take the real money value OUT... as I said the ban on Casinos isn't going to stop RMT's or decrease how often they happen.. It apparently only helps be able to track down people who RMT, the casino ban did nothing more but make work "easier" for GM's instead of them actually attacking the issue, which is monetary value on pixels.

I still want to know if the GM's plan to stop RMT's from happening completely, or do they realize that it's going to happen regardless as long as there is value to plat, and if they already realize that RMT's are always going to happen then why the casino ban, doesn't make sense... except laziness... Or we'll go with a tinfoil hat theory here... The GM's are actually behind the RMT's and don't like when other people are making money without their involvement... so ban casinos make it easier to control the transfers... (again my tinfoil hat theory)


(Also can someone tell me what the big issue with RMT? Is it a legality issue, fear the server might get shut down, because people are making money, or is it just a GM rule that strongly enforce? I'm guessing it's fear that SOE will come shut down the server.)


Also I heard something about a Petition going around? If this was a GM ruling only then why were players asked to weigh in their opinions?

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[Derubael]

Originally Posted by zforrestal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yet devaluing currency is the ONLY way to stop RMT's... you have to take the real money value OUT... as I said the ban on Casinos isn't going to stop RMT's or decrease how often they happen.. It apparently only helps be able to track down people who RMT, the casino ban did nothing more but make work "easier" for GM's instead of them actually attacking the issue, which is monetary value on pixels.


(Also can someone tell me what the big issue with RMT? Is it a legality issue, fear the server might get shut down, because people are making money, or is it just a GM rule that strongly enforce? I'm guessing it's fear that SOE will come shut down the server.)


Also I heard something about a Petition going around? If this was a GM ruling only then why were players asked to weigh in their opinions?

Lowering or raising the real world monetary value of platinum does nothing to curb RMT. The only way to effectively reduce RMT is to attack the buyers and the sellers in every way possible in order to affect both supply and demand. This means both the "retail" re-sellers with their own websites and "brand names", as well as the people who sell to the re-sellers. Whether or not casinos play a part in this enterprise isn't something I'm going to get into here, but it's hard to fully grasp without being able to see what I see. Regardless, combating RMT effectively on Project 1999 is an ever evolving process.

Banning buyers lowers demand. When buyers get banned and spread the word that your $300 investment in platinum is going to go down the drain, buyers are much more cautious and in many cases skip purchasing entirely. When re-sellers get hit, the impact on their stock can potentially mean $1000's of dollars in lost revenue - revenue they have to make up by buying from their sources. Banning the sources removes the resellers way to re-stock after a ban. The problem being that there will always be people who are ready to sell out at some point or another. Basically, we can slow RMT down to a crawl - there may even be months long "dry spells" where there simply is no platinum except from the little independent sellers - but eliminating it entirely is difficult.

One thing I can say with certainty is that the buyer always loses when participating in RMT. The sellers don't care if you get banned, they've already made their money. Their only concern will be in protecting you as a repeat customer, but in the end they won't lose any sleep over your $500 investment in platinum getting banned. The only time they care is when we hit them where it counts - their real life pocket books.

Back onto the topic of casinos, I'm not sure what you're referring to with the petition thing? I don't think we ever asked for anyone's opinion. Maybe I asked offhand about it on Monday Night stream or something. Either way, the Casino ban is here to stay.

[zforrestal]

Also, can we have the names of said people that were using casinos as a cover for RMT's? You say it's been happening, so I'll assume those people have been banned.. so a list of names should be easy to produce .. I think we'd all like to know what casinos we've played at that were part of this terrible scheme.


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Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lowering or raising the real world monetary value of platinum does nothing to curb RMT.

Umm I have to disagree.... as someone put if the risk is greater than the reward people probably wont be on either end of the curb. What is giving the real life value to plat? The LIMITED access to resource plat. If you make plat worth $5 per every 100k or 1 million plat.. I highly doubt someone is going to be buying or selling plat (or items) anytime soon.. Risk is greater than the reward... so it's possible.. now HOW to do that I don't know... except making everything easily available. Maybe you're right I might never fully understand the big picture because I can't see what you see, but what I can see is a solution that doesn't require the ban of casinos... also I don't think you answered this for me. "Can someone tell me what the big issue with RMT? Is it a legality issue, fear the server might get shut down, because people are making money, or is it just a GM rule that strongly enforce? I'm guessing it's fear that SOE will come shut down the server".. Call me an idiot sure, but I really don't have a definitive answer and I'd like to know.


hypothetically speaking... if we were able to stop all RMT's from happening.. Player Run casinos would be allowed correct? Cuz I'll figure out your RMT issue just give me time lol


Also about the petition thing... seems like everyone who talked to me when I logged back on for the first time this week told me about a petition, about a Ban against casinos that was started by the GM's..... so that's why I asked about it.. even hearing it a week ago it sounded weird to me that the GM's would start a petition.... I figured if it was true, it was to see if the majority of players didn't like casinos.

[Derubael]

Whether or not casinos play a part in this enterprise isn't something I'm going to get into here, but it's hard to fully grasp without being able to see what I see.

[zforrestal]

Ok, so as far as I'm concerned they don't play into RMT's as there's no proof.(you obviously hold more of the picture than I do, but I can only go by my own perception) All that aside why is RMT such a bad thing?

[Rais]

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