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Old 08-19-2024, 06:05 PM
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Just throw an emerald at a shaman for raiding, get avatar and the STR shortage is no issue.
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Old 08-19-2024, 08:55 PM
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Have you people ever heard of Avatar? For end game, it's STA by a mile, but it doesn't really matter.
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Old 08-19-2024, 09:20 PM
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Dude says he’s not into raiding, so imo we can’t assume avatar/focus/etc stat pad buffs.
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Old 08-20-2024, 03:10 PM
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20STA for the optimal minmax max MR raid puller without stamina-buff. Incredibly niche and never really gonna be put into practice.

20 CHA for highest overall stats with Avatar proc and BIS-gear. Cha is pretty useless though.

20 DEX for fastest primal proc and best Tstaff Twink-experience. You can proc primal on Holgresh Beads though making it largely redundant at 60 and many of the best monk weapons are no-proc weapons.

20 STA or STR for best leveling without proc weapon and 20STA for self-buffee max sta without several thousands of DKP on monk gear.


IMO: STA or DEX and I think DEX is cooler.
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Old 08-20-2024, 03:16 PM
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for 90% of players its STR
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Old 08-20-2024, 03:34 PM
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What does DKP stand for?

I know… I’m a noob
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Old 08-20-2024, 08:08 PM
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Dragon Kill Points. It is the currency earned for participation in guild activities - later spent to “buy” gear from things the collective group kills.

<Afterlife> on Mithaniel Marr was, I think, the first guild to use this terminology. It spread quickly. They were serverwide best guild for a while with a crap ton of server firsts - later battling it out with other neckbeard poopsocking guilds like <Fire of Heavens> for BotB.
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Old 08-21-2024, 12:44 AM
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Dragon Kill Points. It is the currency earned for participation in guild activities - later spent to “buy” gear from things the collective group kills.

<Afterlife> on Mithaniel Marr was, I think, the first guild to use this terminology. It spread quickly. They were serverwide best guild for a while with a crap ton of server firsts - later battling it out with other neckbeard poopsocking guilds like <Fire of Heavens> for BotB.
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The phrase "DKP" (Dragon Kill Points) was first coined and used in the online RPG EverQuest in the late 1990s. The concept was developed by a player named Thott, a member of the guild Afterlife on the Veeshan server, to manage loot distribution during raids. The term "Dragon Kill Points" specifically referred to the points awarded to players for participating in killing raid bosses (like dragons), and these points could then be used to bid on items that dropped from those bosses.
what was the first publication thott made about it

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Thott, a member of the guild Afterlife in EverQuest, first publicly documented the Dragon Kill Points (DKP) system on the guild's website. The earliest known publication about DKP was on the Afterlife guild's website, where Thott detailed the rules and mechanics of the system. This documentation was meant to explain how the guild handled loot distribution during raids, ensuring fairness and transparency among its members.

Unfortunately, specific dates and the exact content of the first publication are not easily accessible due to the age of the material and the evolution of web hosting since the late 1990s. However, it's well known that this publication occurred around 1999 or 2000, shortly after the implementation of DKP in EverQuest, making it one of the earliest and most influential posts about the system.
what was the URL of that website?

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The website where Thott first published the details of the DKP system was part of the Afterlife guild's site, which was originally hosted at www.afterlifeguild.org. This website was the online presence for the Afterlife guild in EverQuest, where they shared strategies, raid logs, and other guild-related information, including the documentation of the DKP system.
Cool I found this! I didn't know this bit of history. Dragon Lotto!

https://web.archive.org/web/20010124020900/http://www.afterlifeguild.org/?page=dkp

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I think when this happening, I was still wrestling with a snake outside of misty.
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Old 08-21-2024, 11:31 AM
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For posterity, that's the OG implementation. Here guilds set the DKP amount players receive per event (or per hour) and then when an item drops players present at the raid bid DKP for items like it's cash. There's been a few notable deviations of this, but generally this is how guilds distribute loot.
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Old 08-21-2024, 12:35 PM
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Chat GPT got some stuff wrong. <Afterlife> was on my server Mithaniel Marr. I watched these guys in action when they weren’t raiding. Eventually this was merged into Saryrn server and later with another but not Veeshan. Hobben was the guild leader. Thott (bard) was one of the officers and is responsible for a lot of the groundbreaking discoveries and achievements.

I forget when they finally ended up folding but I’m pretty sure it was Gates of Discord. They were premier at least through the end of PoP and might have gotten the first Quarm kill. GoD was problematic for lots of reasons.
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