OFFICIAL PROPOSAL from FE/TMO - Page 19

YendorLootmonkey · #**181** 12-30-2013, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A lop sided situation in the past should not be solved with a lopsided solution. It breeds only resentment and contempt. This is a clean slate and we should treat it as such moving forward. Whatever solution is created should be fair on its own merits.

It should when it attempts to correct the server raid scene. Yes, I know, it's extremely convenient for the hardcores to ignore the fact they have nearly monopolized endgame content for over two years. Someone calculated that to be 400-1000 Trak teeth based on TMO's number of Trak kills. Not to mention all the time TMO got to enjoy and gear up in VP uncontested before FE/IB started to enter and compete.

You already have the advantage, you and I both know you have a LOT more ground to give here than this proposal and still be plenty competitive for Velious.

Bossman · #**182** 12-30-2013, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Funkutron5000 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll post what I roughly posted in Sirken's thread. This isn't the time for people to extract their pound of flesh for what they feel are past wrongs. This is the time for us to work together to hash out a deal or else none of us can play.

And this is where you are wrong. Us casual scum will be fine indefinitely, we have been surviving for a long time with 1 mob a week, what is none to us?

Rusl · #**183** 12-30-2013, 10:19 PM

one thing we can all agree on is stop killing OoA so we get nobles spawning during every guild's sky clears... 1 mob down 18 to go...

YendorLootmonkey · #**184** 12-30-2013, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why is everyone failing to understand that every guild in category B can engage any mob at any time...? Just because TMO, FE, IB are going for priority targets doesn't mean that any other guild can as well.

If that worked, we wouldn't be sitting here trying to hash out an agreement and reach consensus on it prior to Jan 2nd now, would we?

goshozal · #**185** 12-30-2013, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jaybone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How about FE and TMO take a indefinite break from raiding until Velious hits. Really guys? Farming the same pixels for 3 years.........

How about you take an indefinite break from anon trolling every thread with your tinfoil hat RMT accusations, and let the big boys work something out here?

Autotune · #**186** 12-30-2013, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusl [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

one thing we can all agree on is stop killing OoA so we get nobles spawning during every guild's sky clears... 1 mob down 18 to go...

Agreed.

Derubael · #**187** 12-30-2013, 10:21 PM

Just something to consider when talking about a points system...

What do you do when 1 guild either splits into two or sticks a bunch of alts into a brand new guild...?

How will you know if that new guild is a legitimate separate entity, or just a ploy for more points?

Will you just go with your gut feeling and tell a guild that may in fact be its own thing separate from the original guild 'no, you can't raid because we think you're exploiting points'?

Just a thought. Not saying you can't do it.

Frieza_Prexus · #**188** 12-30-2013, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossman [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

50/50 is incredibly fair. 50% of the mobs for 90% of the server and 50% for the hardcore 10%. How is that not an equitable solution?

Because it does not respect the increased effort on the part of the more active. Being casual is a default designation, it is naturally larger because it is a default. Additionally, "90% of the server" is the wrong way to look at it. Many of those 90% are not of raiding level, have no desire to participate, and have not put forth any effort to achieve these goals. While the casual percentage that should be considered is certainly large, it is most certainly not "90%."

Hitpoint · #**189** 12-30-2013, 10:23 PM

Why is it completely unthinkable that a category B guild can compete on the other 3 weeks of the month with tmo and FE/IB? They can compete right now if they want. We haven't gotten an Inny in weeks.

Lron · #**190** 12-30-2013, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just something to consider when talking about a points system...

What do you do when 1 guild either splits into two or sticks a bunch of alts into a brand new guild...?

How will you know if that new guild is a legitimate separate entity, or just a ploy for more points?

Will you just go with your gut feeling and tell a guild that may in fact be its own thing separate from the original guild 'no, you can't raid because we think you're exploiting points'?

Just a thought. Not saying you can't do it.

Having a raid council of trusted members in all guilds to decide if a guild is legitimate or not would solve this.