Clarification on outdoor swarm kiting

[loramin]

Originally Posted by sacman08 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was waiting for someone to find and post the specific forum thread where they say it's ok except for HG's in Rathe Mountains. For that reason alone I never tried to quad them.

I can't guarantee that what you're talking about doesn't exist ... but as someone who does my best to watch for staff quotes (so I can add them to the wiki), if a staff member said that I for one didn't see it.

You may instead be thinking of this, which does not say that you can only kill one HG at a time! Instead, it indicates that (like all outdoor zones) you can only "own" one spawn point. You can kill as many as you want (modulo the zone disruption issue I already mentioned), but if another player starts taking the respawns of the ones you just killed, you have no special claim on them.

The context there is that if you wanted to sit at the spawn point of one HG and just camp it, you could prevent other players from taking that one spawn. I believe all Galach is saying in that quote is you can only do that to one HG spawn.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by sacman08 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just wanted to clarify, we are saying a bard, with the fastest run speed in the game, is ok to swarm and take all the HG's in Rathe that he can manage as long as he is FTE.

No, that is very much NOT what I'm saying. Re-read the post above about zone disruption; it's completely separate from the camp mechanics/FTE stuff.

Any player (Bard or otherwise) can kill as much of any outdoor mob, as long as A) individual spawn points aren't being camped by someone, B) they are the first to engage each mob, and (this is the key one here) C) they aren't disrupting the zone.

Again, the exact details of disruption are a bit nebulous, but to be safe take no more than half the available spawn points, because it's harder to argue you're taking "most" if you're taking half or less.

[Baler]

I've noticed a lot of people confusing what FTE actually means.

FTE mobs can't be camped, whom ever engages it first has FTE on that mob.

If it's not an FTE mob it can be camped, Players can't come along and kill it while other players are actively camping it.

[sacman08]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, that is very much NOT what I'm saying. Re-read the post above about zone disruption; it's completely separate from the camp mechanics/FTE stuff.

Any player (Bard or otherwise) can kill as much of any outdoor mob, as long as A) individual spawn points aren't being camped by someone, B) they are the first to engage each mob, and (this is the key one here) C) they aren't disrupting the zone.

Again, the exact details of disruption are a bit nebulous, but to be safe take no more than half the available spawn points, because it's harder to argue you're taking "most" if you're taking half or less.

Thanks Loramin. Your middle paragraph here should be on the wiki along with Galach's response (His response seems to suggest only one at a time period).

[loramin]

Originally Posted by sacman08 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks Loramin. Your middle paragraph here should be on the wiki along with Galach's response (His response seems to suggest only one at a time period).

Well to be fair to Glach, that quote is taken out of context; it's clearer in context (and that's part of why all GM wiki quotes come with a link to the original thread).

As for adding my middle paragraph ... the Camp Rules/Rulings pages are kind of special. I admin-lock them so no one can edit/vandalize them, and so I try to keep them strictly a record of GM quotes. If I started adding my opinion, however well-intentioned, it could look like I was trying to pass it off as the staff's opinion.

Instead I have http://wiki.project1999.com/Camp%20Rules%20FAQ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] And since it's not admin-locked, feel free to add a question with my middle paragraph as the answer ... or any other question for that matter ... if you think it would improve the page!

[sacman08]

Originally Posted by Baler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've noticed a lot of people confusing what FTE actually means.

FTE mobs can't be camped, whom ever engages it first has FTE on that mob.

If it's not an FTE mob it can be camped, Players can't come along and kill it while other players are actively camping it.

That's what the question is about HG's in Rathe: Can they be camped or not? Galach's response suggests yes, here we are saying no, FTE. Loramin's response cleared up what I was wondering.

[elwing]

It's an outdoor zone so you can claim 1 spawn point if you want... No one does that as it would be too slow so it's fte fest as it is fte... Meaning bard kiting is okay as long as you don't go up to area disruption... That said a single 60 mag killing almost all giant could aldo be assimilated as zone disruption but good luck with that...

[loramin]

Originally Posted by sacman08 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's what the question is about HG's in Rathe: Can they be camped or not? Galach's response suggests yes, here we are saying no, FTE. Loramin's response cleared up what I was wondering.

I think part of the confusion is that "FTE" gets thrown around in a lot of different ways. People say things like "all outdoor mobs are FTE", but I think that's confusing because no mob is always FTE, except raid mobs: if you have been killing any (non-raid) mob and someone else shows up, it is not FTE.

So it's not "the players say one thing and a GM says another", it's that people are talking about different states: "unclaimed mob" vs. "claimed mob" vs. "unclaimed because people are sharing claims on some other mobs". All mobs are FTE in the first and last states, but not in the middle one (with some minor complications indoors with "camps of mobs").

[Trexller]

in Rathe Mountains, a giant that is walking is fair game.

A player camping a spawn has to engage it before it starts walking.

A GM or Galach said it.

Lore-amin can probably find the text in his photographic forum memory.

So a bard can go round up all the walking hill giants. but still a bleh move... maybe.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Trexller [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lore-amin can probably find the text in his photographic forum memory.

No photograpic memory, just: https://wiki.project1999.com/Rulings [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you're specifically referring to: https://wiki.project1999.com/Rulings...Camp_One_Spawn