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Dark Cloak of the Sky and its haste effect
This thread is meant to serve as a discussion on whether the inventory-usable haste effect of Dark Cloak of the Sky can be activated by non-ranger classes. I had assumed it had been debunked long ago, but so far I've found no evidence that non-rangers couldn't use it, while I found one post stating that at one time it could be used before two patches that occurred in early 2002. These are the only patches to mention Dark Cloak of the Sky:
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These patches imply that the haste effect could be used by non-rangers before these changes. Currently on P99, the Dark Cloak is configured to be 'Race/Class to activate,' just like the Feb. 13 2002 patch. Here is a post shortly after the second patch: http://web.archive.org/web/20021029185448/http://everquest.allakhazam.com:80/db/item.html?item=6054&mid=101459248153859 Quote:
Interestingly, the same Jan. 23, 2002 patch also nerfs Soulfire, restricting the Complete Heal charges to only be paladin-usable: Quote:
Is anyone aware of additional evidence for/against the ability of non-rangers to use the clicky haste effect? Am I missing a prior discussion on this? | ||||||
Last edited by Mud; 10-05-2017 at 01:10 PM..
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Good catch, but I'd argue there's more incentive for P99 devs to leave this as 'Race/Class to activate' simply because, as you eloquently stated,
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So this is an instance where it'd be wiser to go the slightly-less-than-classic route, because those means would be justified by a more classic end. | |||
Last edited by paulgiamatti; 10-07-2017 at 03:41 PM..
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None of this is relevant to P99. Our timeline does not extend into 2002.
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The implication is before January 2002 (i.e. 2001) the cloak was useable by anyone from inventory. That would be within the timeline.
I'm sure the Devs would like in era evidence for such a huge change, instead of implication thru forum posts though. Personally I'm glad my ranger already got his own cloak before the flood gates open! | ||
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So I don't think you can overstate its rarity, assuming it even happened at all. I mean, think about it - first, someone would've had to have the idea, "Hey, if rangers can click that from inventory, what if I can too?!" Then they'd have to obtain the quest components, or find someone willing to multiquest them - but who knows, maybe it was someone who looted a Fine Velvet Cloak when there were no rangers at the raid, as a last ditch effort in case they could multiquest it later. Either way, the first person to discover this would've been going way out on a limb, with stakes and item scarcity much higher, and probably banking on item restoration if it didn't work out. For all we know, it may have been an incredibly short amount of time that any non-rangers owned a usable DCotS - a month, a week, a couple days - if that was even a thing. And if it was a thing, it might have been what prompted the patch on January 23rd. | ||||
Last edited by paulgiamatti; 10-08-2017 at 04:12 PM..
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Another thought is that someone could've just botched a multiquest, accidentally handing in items in the wrong order for some poor ranger who was hoping to get his cloak. Then, for shits and giggles, the non-ranger recipient decided to give it a click, and lo and behold.
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The patch message itself just seems to mention that, if you factor in their correction, that it was changed from worn to activate to race / class to activate (meaning rangers didn't have to wear it anymore).
The phrasing seemed to leave it open to speculation that others could use it, but i don't think that was correct. The poster didn't seem to be talking from experience, rather just his educated guess. If someone chimed in saying "wtf now i have to destroy the cloak on my warrior, enjoyed the haste boost before this patch" that may strengthen the argument.
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Good points, Paul. Something to keep in mind is that top-tier guilds were often secretive about strats and items, and you'd rarely see them posting uncommon information on sites like Allakhazam. Non-rangers attempting the DCotS quest is something members of a hardcore guild could afford to do due to raiding frequency, and surely the ability for rangers to use it from inventory piqued the interest of other melee classes. I myself completed the DCotS quest here on P99 on my rogue out of curiosity back in 2013, and I later learned that another old rogue guildmate of mine completed it in 2011/12 to test it also. Perhaps private guild forums of the old hardcore raiding guilds would hold more answers, if any are actually still around. | ||||
Last edited by Mud; 10-10-2017 at 11:33 AM..
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Their clarification of changing from 'worn to activate' to 'race/class to activate' fixed it so that it can be used by rangers from inventory again. The confusing part is WHAT exactly was the error? Did they not mean to change Dark Cloak of the Sky at all and it was always Race/Class to activate? Or did they make the mistake of changing 'Activate from Inventory for all race/classes' to 'worn to activate', then later fixed it to 'Race/Class to activate'? I think it is confusing which they meant, without something more first hand or dev comment. You could totally be right, but I think it deserves a harder look before making so monumental a change.
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And another thought, which is a point against making DCotS all/all clickable - it's entirely possible that nobody figured it out before the devs did, if it ever was. They designed the game, after all. | |||
Last edited by paulgiamatti; 10-10-2017 at 07:57 PM..
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