Guild summit

[Puluin]

Originally Posted by planarity [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and as a sidenote for gore....server rules require you start at a zoneline, and the portals count as zonelines because you can port there. So the player agreement doesn't violate the server rules, we've just chosen one particular zoneline to race from, for a number of reasons.

Except your player agreement made it into the server raid rules without much discussion ( as appears from an outside perspective ) which effectively eliminates several zone lines for potential races. Gore only states the rings as the start point... this was my issue. BW zoneline is infact a legit zoneline for a race if said guild decided to do that instead of porting in... but not now according to raid rules.

[hobart]

Originally Posted by Lothisu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thats a fair point but still these rules should be broadcasted to the entire server so everyone is on the same page. Several defined "raid targets" can be killed with less then a group

RMT still against the server rules, Kluwen. That's the one you should be worried about.

[LazyHydras]

I'm sorry, but to say that only the guilds affected were at the summit is wrong.

Perhaps you haven't noticed, but we DBers have been growing in number and strength. Don't discount the fact that newer guilds (like us) will be at that stage soon.

Hence, it is important that these rules are codified and LISTED so that people like us don't run afoul when we eventually reach this stage.

[feniin]

Dawn Believers won't be held to the agreements made (currently). You guys are free to coth race in Kael/Icewell/Kunark Dragons, You aren't bound to the rotations - can clickfest ring wars and FTE Tunare any spawn. You exist outside of the extra rules we've made between the guilds involved. You're not required to follow the limitations we've set for ourselves.

[waltjig]

Originally Posted by feniin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dawn Believers won't be held to the agreements made (currently). You guys are free to coth race in Kael/Icewell/Kunark Dragons, You aren't bound to the rotations - can clickfest ring wars and FTE Tunare any spawn. You exist outside of the extra rules we've made between the guilds involved. You're not required to follow the limitations we've set for ourselves.

This seems like a brilliant Dawn Believer recruitment post

[LazyHydras]

Originally Posted by waltjig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This seems like a brilliant Dawn Believer recruitment post

hear, hear.

[enesis]

Originally Posted by Puluin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Except your player agreement made it into the server raid rules without much discussion ( as appears from an outside perspective ) which effectively eliminates several zone lines for potential races. Gore only states the rings as the start point... this was my issue. BW zoneline is infact a legit zoneline for a race if said guild decided to do that instead of porting in... but not now according to raid rules.

One thing which was not really made clear in the posted version, but which was part of the discussions that led up to the list, is that a guild is still free to setup/race from any zoneline they want. The ones on the list are likely the most efficient, so if you choose to race from elsewhere, it may be a moot point because you are putting yourself at a disadvantage. The benefit of making a list was to clarify what is "acceptable" or "safe" within the existing rules because just prior to that guilds had started racing for Gore from the yeti tunnel. One of the arguments I made against that spot in particular is that other guilds would have no idea where to race from (in fact, ALS/Aegis didn't know about that spot until we saw folks away from the zoneline and asked what was going on).

And I was trying to avoid broadcasting it, but reading between the lines: yes, if you are not party to [the other] agreements, you are not bound by them. Granted, if you are successful, it will likely cause the parties to revert to doing the same thing (i.e., coth racing), but you will get their attention and your guild may be asked to participate in future negotiations.

I also think that Llandris had extended an open invitation to all guilds prior to the summit. There is supposed to be another at some point. If you want more information in the meantime, reach out to me or someone else who has posted in the thread on Discord or in game.

[rezzie]

The wiki page listed includes the fact you can set up elsewhere:

These define the closest points that FTErs or raid forces can stand while waiting for a target to spawn. Anyone past these lines are considered "trackers".

Guilds are free to set up their raid force elsewhere if they so choose, but they must be further back than the defined lines.

You can park your raid and FTErs anywhere you like as long as it is no closer or quicker to a target than the published lines.

[Legidias]

#PullgorenairetoFV

[Puluin]

Originally Posted by rezzie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The wiki page listed includes the fact you can set up elsewhere:



You can park your raid and FTErs anywhere you like as long as it is no closer or quicker to a target than the published lines.

That would be all fine and dandy if that clause was included in the raid rules faq... which it is not:

Q28: Where are starting lines for FTE racers?
A: Dain Frostreaver IV: Behind the archway just past the zone line.
Faydedar: On the island with the Ogre camp (#1 on wiki map).
Gorenaire: At the druid rings.
Kael Drakkal: Behind the ice/snow line at the Wakening Lands zone line.
Kelorek`Dar: At the zone in rings or Siren's Grotto zone line.
Lady Vox: Before the ladder at the zone in.
Lord Nagafen: In the entrance tunnel from Lavastorm.
Lord Yelinak: At the fountain to Cobalt Scar or Wakening Lands zone line.
Severilous: At the Field of Bone or Trakanon's Teeth zone lines.
Sleeper's Tomb: Behind the entrance door.
Talendor: At the Burning Woods or Overthere zone lines.
Temple of Veeshan: Behind the bottom step just past the entrance door.
Trakanon: At the zone in.
Veeshan's Peak: On the blue entrance pad.
Venril Sathir: The hallway between the entrance zonelines.
Zlandicar: Behind the zone in portal.
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Plane of Fear: At the PoF portal in Feerrott.
Plane of Hate: Anywhere not in Hate unless actively clearing with a raid force.

For the most part there aren't other options for starting lines. However, gore, naggy, and fay have other zoneline options. Gore = BW ( distance is about the same at bard speed ). Naggy has all the zonelines coming from sol a (they're two way zonelines). And while it may not be most effective, the zoneline for OT boat and FV boat are closer than ogee island. Additionally, if going off of the boat docks, why isn't the goodie island for FV boat an option?