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Old 08-03-2020, 04:58 AM
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Default war weapon by aggro

Someone made this awesome list - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...dZM/edit#gid=0

Just want to double check if it's still accurate as of today.

Meaning that if one wants to stick with dual wield, the best weapons for aggro would be below (excluding sod).

For some reason, the most common set up I see on raiding wars is a mix of willsapper, red epic, and trident. Why do they not use nev horn or feverblade?

Primary
1. Feverblade
2. Red epic
3. Willsapper
4. Frostbringer
5. Trident deep sea

Secondary
1. Red epic
2. Nev horn
3. Feverblade
4. Trident deep sea
5. Frostbringer
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Old 08-03-2020, 11:23 AM
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Cause that list is baloney.

Best is sod, if no sod, red blade and trident win eq cause stats and good agro /nod. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
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Old 08-03-2020, 11:31 AM
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In a recent patch all weapons got hard capped at 400 aggro per proc if your class cant natively cast the spell (read: all warrior weapons) except for red blade epic which is 700.

So pretty much ignore the proc and look at ratios and get epic.

For hard fights warriors dont even rely on procs too much for initial aggro its always a clicky and then the procs are just subsequent supplemental aggro.
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Old 08-03-2020, 01:52 PM
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Cause that list is baloney.

Best is sod, if no sod, red blade and trident win eq cause stats and good agro /nod. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
so true
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Old 08-03-2020, 01:55 PM
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Nev horn is terrible aggro, because it doesn't have a -ac component. Go for weapons that have +hp and a proc.
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Old 08-04-2020, 10:30 AM
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From the patch notes:
Haynar: Capped non-damage hate component for out of class procs/clickies to 400 hate.

with that in mind the spreadsheet should be be pretty accurate, without some other non-mentioned nerfs. It does however make some assumptions about the initial hate from a non-damage proc

Also, for the red blade, im not sure where the 700 number comes from, but according to the wiki the proc is:

1 : Decrease HP when cast by 100
2 : Increase Hate by 500

which would be (Hate+Damage) 500+100 = 600. The 700 number could be right, i just didnt see any specific mention of that number.

These are all just best guesses because most of the indepth testing happened before the nerf.
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Old 08-05-2020, 06:53 AM
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Cause that list is baloney.

Best is sod, if no sod, red blade and trident win eq cause stats and good agro /nod. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
SOD proc rate is broken actually, so it sadly doesn't make the list =(

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Nev horn is terrible aggro, because it doesn't have a -ac component. Go for weapons that have +hp and a proc.
What makes you say that the Nev horn proc not having a negative AC component makes the proc less than 400 hate?

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From the patch notes:
Haynar: Capped non-damage hate component for out of class procs/clickies to 400 hate.

with that in mind the spreadsheet should be be pretty accurate, without some other non-mentioned nerfs. It does however make some assumptions about the initial hate from a non-damage proc

Also, for the red blade, im not sure where the 700 number comes from, but according to the wiki the proc is:

1 : Decrease HP when cast by 100
2 : Increase Hate by 500

which would be (Hate+Damage) 500+100 = 600. The 700 number could be right, i just didnt see any specific mention of that number.

These are all just best guesses because most of the indepth testing happened before the nerf.
The only place that said Epic proc is 700 hate is Arvan's post in this thread. He is either bad at math or made a typo. Epic is 600, but is still BIS because of stats and that the SOD is broken.
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Old 08-05-2020, 07:00 AM
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There is also something missing from all of these calculations, which is the DoT effect from some of these procs. For example, Sword of the Shissar is listed on that spreadsheet as 430 hate proc, which calculates the poison counter + DD hate (400 + 30dd). However, there is 27 / tick dot for 7 ticks totaling 189 damage. Whether this damage is calculated into the initial hate of the proc, or is added to hate as the damage occurs, must be factored into the hate in some way.

Conversely, the Feverblade could be right near the top of the list at a 510 initial hate proc (400 from poison counters + 110dd), but the proc is broken and actually heals the mob over time, so it may not outperform other weapons with a similar ratio and threat proc.
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Old 08-05-2020, 07:08 AM
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Someone should make an awesome list on the wiki
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Old 08-05-2020, 07:14 AM
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Someone made this awesome list - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...dZM/edit#gid=0



For some reason, the most common set up I see on raiding wars is a mix of willsapper, red epic, and trident. Why do they not use nev horn or feverblade?
To answer the question of the OP...at the end of the day with the nerfs to proc agro, there isn't a tremendous difference it hate generated by procs, so you will see warriors go with weapons that have a good ratio for white damage agro, and with good stats for survivability.

The reason you see Willsapper so often is because it is relatively easy to attain, has a good ratio at 13/20, has 35hp and 9ac, and has the slow proc which can be useful soloing / grouping (or rarely even on a raid level mob). Trident is 50hp, good ratio, and more importantly the 10% slow proc is cold based, which can land on otherwise unslowable mobs such as vyemm.

Nev / Feverblade are less common because they have 0 hp. Feverblade would be a great agro proc and be amazing in situations where hp wasn't critical, if the proc wasn't broken.
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