If only DKP were tradable.

[magnetaress]

In a DKP exchange.

[Tunabros]

no

[magnetaress]

Dude.

Bro.

If u could cash out ur dkp from one guild and into another.

Think abootit.

[Danth]

I've said before that I think the raid players need to unionize. They shouldn't work for company scrip that becomes worthless as soon as they leave or get fired.

[Nexii]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've said before that I think the raid players need to unionize. They shouldn't work for company scrip that becomes worthless as soon as they leave or get fired.

Or you can refuse. I would have joined Freedom if they offered me 500-1500 like everyone else got. It was an insult to be offered zero when it's all the same leadership as Aftermath.

[Danth]

Don't look at me, I don't join guilds that use currency-based loot rules. Not part of the problem here! High-end pixels don't have that kind of draw to me. The rank-and-file in such guilds appear to get a bad deal from my vantage point, effectively turning their game time into a simulation of 1870's corporate practice complete with the high hours, no protections, and company scrip. Perhaps they need a New Deal.

[Arvan]

Originally Posted by Nexii [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Or you can refuse. I would have joined Freedom if they offered me 500-1500 like everyone else got. It was an insult to be offered zero when it's all the same leadership as Aftermath.

What? I thought they claimed they were a completely fresh guild thats completely new and in no way the same old guild but renamed?

Oh my i feel like everyone’s been lied to

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Arvan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What? I thought they claimed they were a completely fresh guild thats completely new and in no way the same old guild but renamed?

Oh my i feel like everyone’s been lied to

Who has access to the guild bank? Remember this when a guild folds.

[Nexii]

Originally Posted by Arvan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What? I thought they claimed they were a completely fresh guild thats completely new and in no way the same old guild but renamed?

Oh my i feel like everyone’s been lied to

A quick trip to http://dkp.freedom.guild99.org/will show you the DKP transfer adjustments

[Loke]

Originally Posted by Nexii [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn't come back for that reason. I came back to play again and considered my options. While still tagged AM I asked around and was told zero. So yea, it was a slight. The principle of it really put me off Freedom given 90% of the leadership is the same.

People could go inactive for a year in AM and keep all their DKP - and much longer in some cases. So why was it AM DKP was worth zero but those that joined AG>Renamed Guild>Ghost etc for a couple of months got generous amounts?

You know what, I’m bored so I’ll bite…

First, lets examine you’re initial claim:

Originally Posted by Nexii [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Or you can refuse. I would have joined Freedom if they offered me 500-1500 like everyone else got. It was an insult to be offered zero when it's all the same leadership as Aftermath.

First, I don’t believe your claim you were offered 0 DKP, because basically everyone was given 150. Members who stuck with us but had less than 150 DKP after the adjustment were started at 150, and as far as I’m aware, every returning AM member until just recently was also started at 150. I’m not sure who you talked to, but you 100% could have gotten 150 DKP if you had made any sort of legitimate attempt (confirmed by multiple officers when I asked last night).

Next, you claim everyone got 500-1500. Lets take a look at what some people actually got...

Detoxx - 496
Furoar - 758
Jestuh - 1364
Enigmo - 300
Cheeana -193
Tailgating - 357
Me - 168

For reference, Jestuh was the highest adjustment at 1364, so literally no one got 1500. Not even Detoxx and Furoar, the two central figures in the guild got that much combined. Also, with the exception of myself, the thing all those people share in common is that they are people either primarily responsible for forming Freedom, or simply put in an absurd amount of work to keep it running smoothly.

Lets frame the 500-1500 DKP another way, using items. The last Ring 10 awarded in Freedom went for exactly 500 DKP, where as the most expensive item in the history of the guild is a Platinum Tear which went for 1450. Rounding out the top 5 most expensive items are an Abashi’s for 1123, a Jaelen’s for 1089, a Mrylokar’s for 1059, another Plat Tear for 1000, and just for good measure the 6th is a Ruby Tear for 950. Other items that went for exactly 500 DKP include a Dain Head, Shawl of Protection, and AoW Pants.

So putting this all together... you, someone who did exactly nothing to get the guild where it is today are under the impression at a minimum you should have been offered more DKP than the guild leader, and an amount ranging between the value of a Ring 10 up to greater than the most expensive items ever awarded in the guild, and find it offensive that you were not. Either you’re delusional and have a crazy inflated sense of your value to a guild or you’re full of shit and trying to justify what as of late looks to have been a poor decision.

Just to be clear, I’m not typing this all out because I begrudge your decision to join Riot, I don’t really care. What does annoy me is you portraying yourself as the victim of some injustice perpetrated upon you by your former unappreciative guild members. Everyone I know was stoked to hear you were back, and subsequently dismayed to hear you decided to join Riot. I suppose I don’t know why you made that decision, but I know it wasn’t because you were treated differently than any other former AM member who decided to return. I suspect it is because you thought Riot was your best chance for pixels, and now you’ve created this fiction where that not working out isn’t your fault.