NPC Spawn Issue: Guard Assist

[Loli Pops]

Guard assist not functioning at Felwithe Guards in Greater Faydark. (high elf entrance to felwithe)

A wood elf attacked a wood elf and guard assist did not occur.

[nilbog]

These npcs are set to guard assist..

Is this happening anywhere else?

[Cwall 60.0]

guards in firiona vie don't assist on anything that doesn't directly do damage

i was fighting someone and was able to chant them down on my bard(DoTs) without them aggroing, even when the guy was standing directly on top of them and so was i

but the moment i tried to melee him the guards attacked me

[nilbog]

k, that's another issue entirely.

Should dot ticks aggro the guards ? Currently, it's direct target->target, and not over time, I would think. Remember this entire system was fabricated, so there's often specifics which may need updating.

iirc, on RZ, if you were really far away, you could bolt people by guards, and the guards would not come after you. This would suggest some type of distance check. How about dots though?

[Loli Pops]

Wood elf vs Wood elf (felwithe ent) was Spell damage & DoT. Melee did not occur. Guards did not assist either party.

[Cwall 60.0]

i imagine DoTs should if it was cast on you while in vicinity of the guards

roots(without damage component), snares, mezzes were all cast on the player by firiona vie guards too, no aggro

[Nizzarr]

Imo, need faction check -- make people work on their faction. Also anything detrimental should trigger faction check/guard assist. Its ridiculous that necromancer/bards can dot the hell out of melees and melees cant do anything back.

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by Nizzarr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Imo, need faction check -- make people work on their faction.

I agree, because it's classic. Would require substantially more work, so before that occurs, it is beneficial to have absolutes.

If pvp guard assist is initiated, guard should assist who has higher faction with npc's primary faction.

example specifics:
Player 1 and Player 2.
Location: Gates of North Qeynos.
NPC: Guard Gehnus.
Primary faction - GuardsofQeynos

Player 1 - Amiable GuardsofQeynos
Player 2 - Warmly GuardsofQeynos

action:
Player 2 attacks player 1 within range of Guard Gehnus. Guard Gehnus kills Player 1 because Player 2's GuardsofQeynos standing is higher. (Current code is the opposite of this. It would protect player 1, because player 2 attacked first.)

Are there any caveats to this? Does anyone disagree with me? I recall something about if both players are low enough faction, the guard would assist neither party.

[Num1RecommendedByDentists]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree, because it's classic. Would require substantially more work, so before that occurs, it is beneficial to have absolutes.

If pvp guard assist is initiated, guard should assist who has higher faction with npc's primary faction.

example specifics:
Player 1 and Player 2.
Location: Gates of North Qeynos.
NPC: Guard Gehnus.
Primary faction - GuardsofQeynos

Player 1 - Amiable GuardsofQeynos
Player 2 - Warmly GuardsofQeynos

action:
Player 2 attacks player 1 within range of Guard Gehnus. Guard Gehnus kills Player 1 because Player 2's GuardsofQeynos standing is higher. (Current code is the opposite of this. It would protect player 1, because player 2 attacked first.)

Are there any caveats to this? Does anyone disagree with me? I recall something about if both players are low enough faction, the guard would assist neither party.

this sounds right to me

any detrimental spells should cause aggro

[Littlegyno 9.0]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree, because it's classic. Would require substantially more work, so before that occurs, it is beneficial to have absolutes.

If pvp guard assist is initiated, guard should assist who has higher faction with npc's primary faction.

example specifics:
Player 1 and Player 2.
Location: Gates of North Qeynos.
NPC: Guard Gehnus.
Primary faction - GuardsofQeynos

Player 1 - Amiable GuardsofQeynos
Player 2 - Warmly GuardsofQeynos

action:
Player 2 attacks player 1 within range of Guard Gehnus. Guard Gehnus kills Player 1 because Player 2's GuardsofQeynos standing is higher. (Current code is the opposite of this. It would protect player 1, because player 2 attacked first.)

Are there any caveats to this? Does anyone disagree with me? I recall something about if both players are low enough faction, the guard would assist neither party.

This needs to be brought up again. Velious is around the corner and faction plays a huge role in Velious PVP. Whichever player with the highest faction should be protected from attack by a player with lower faction.

For instance, if I am Ally with Claws of Veeshan, I should be able to sit in West TOV by my dragon pals and if somebody attacked me with less than Ally faction, they would agro a mob, if the mob was in assist range.

We need more input here. It has to be changed before Velious.