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You know I didn't think I'd done anything worthy of being completely ignored today.
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For the most part this looks good....except.
The raid types are too restrictive. Nothing should preclude a guild sponsoring a raid and filling out its ranks as they see fit. A raid half guild and half pug is just as legitimate as any other claim under these guidelines.
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The third is a premeditated pickup group hereafter referred to as a PUG raid group. A pug raid group cannot consist of more than ten members from the same guild, or one third of the raid force, whichever is less. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Guild raid filling out 1/3 of it's ranks = on permanent SK list as a guild, or can apply to become one when necessary. PuG with 1/3 of it's memebers as a single guild entity = possibly maintained on SK list, or at least with premeditation appears on the list at the appropriate time. There is a small gap in there but that's what the coalition type is for. If a guild is struggling to maintain 50% of a raid force as it's composition it probably shouldn't be raiding as a guild. If that's the case just recruit a few more members to put themselves under the 1/3 or 10 cap | |||
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By my thinking they are the biggest threat to more bloated guilds controlling content with sheer numbers. I think we can agree the pug option was only included because no one truly expects it to be a factor under this system.
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Last edited by sidgb; 06-22-2010 at 04:08 PM..
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Why? Because by the time you are all set and ready to pull, another more organized guild or raid group will have killed it fifteen minutes ago. At least under SK you can plan ahead, ensure numbers, raid composition etc and send out a tracker. This is why I called it a predetermined pug raid group. Do I think a pug raid group would sign up for Suicide Kings, get their waiting week period done, roll in and then sit waiting for Voxx to pop her entire window? Probably not. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be given accommodation and chance to do so under the ruleset. I loved pugging raids, I just think that they need to be incorporated into the system. "We're a pug we don't have to follow your rules" is a cop out, especially when they have just as much a chance as any other group under the proposal.
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I am just trying to say it's a non-threatening option in most people's minds at this point that would not present an obstacle to agreement to this plan. But, there are a lot of people being excluded between alliance raid and pug raid that are legitimate threats to availability of content. Some guilds want to raid with potential recruits, not alliances. That is unless they are trying to steal members of other guilds which opens up a whole new source of fodder for the flame boards. Anyway, time will tell I suppose. How would a PuG raid leader get recognized and gain access to the closed forum?
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The raid group would still be responsible for it being their suicide, they can't get a second entry into the list. The rules as written are in place mainly to stop any smurfing by "splinter" groups, and to prevent guilds from giving away their suicide. I admit the weakest link in Suicide Kings is the problem of how to deal with raid groups that are not formed from a majority of one guild -- leaving it open enough for non guild raids while avoiding massive bloat on the Suicide List.
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(If you want me to take this seriously, expect me to pick apart every hole you've got in this).
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If the raid rules change guilds will change and adapt as they did before. | |||
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