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Old 05-07-2013, 10:18 AM
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Right? I'm like uh, just use the drum...
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Old 05-06-2013, 10:09 PM
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If a bard is going to be twisting melee buffs (haste, damage shield, slow/snare, mana song), which is typical for most groups, weapons are going to be more useful for dps (although not great dps) compared to twisting in a DoT song with a drum equipped. Every DoT song used is removing a group beneficial buff.
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Old 05-07-2013, 09:00 AM
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If a bard is going to be twisting melee buffs (haste, damage shield, slow/snare, mana song), which is typical for most groups, weapons are going to be more useful for dps (although not great dps) compared to twisting in a DoT song with a drum equipped. Every DoT song used is removing a group beneficial buff.
Right, but if you've got a rogue (who of course by lvl 10 should have his epic on p99!) are you even going to notice the bard dps?
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Old 05-07-2013, 09:38 AM
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Right, but if you've got a rogue (who of course by lvl 10 should have his epic on p99!) are you even going to notice the bard dps?
Maybe not, but it's at least a little more additional dps. I mean it never hurts to add even just a bit more dps. Everything adds up.
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Old 05-07-2013, 07:38 AM
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Dont mean to highjack the thread, but what is considered high dps in a regular group?

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Old 05-07-2013, 09:05 AM
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Dont mean to highjack the thread, but what is considered high dps in a regular group?

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Just a guess, but I'd say.... around 50dps?

So maybe 60's is "high?"
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Old 05-07-2013, 10:06 AM
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A solid group of 60s would probably be something like 250 sustained DPS (tank 30, 3 dps at 50-60 average, a 4th dps or charming enchanter/druid/necro with +50-60 more). You might see 300+ in some fights, when charm lasts the whole time and positioning is just right and all, but when you think about positioning and CC happening and charm breaks and stuff, 250 over long periods of combat is probably right.

An excellent group might average up to 350 sustained (a group with only charms, epic rogues, and/or well-geared monks as dps)?
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Old 05-07-2013, 10:41 AM
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So if as a bard *working hard*, playing 3 dots at 78 a piece, plus a measly 10-15dps from melee, I’m reaching close to 50 dps. If you add the occasional charm (or if I’m not tanking, pretty much all the time), you’re looking at close to another 30-50 dps in 18 second bursts (rarely need to charm more than twice during a battle).

So if in total I’m doing 70-100dps in a typical fight, am I then considered high dps?


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Old 05-07-2013, 11:06 AM
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So if as a bard *working hard*, playing 3 dots at 78 a piece, plus a measly 10-15dps from melee, I’m reaching close to 50 dps. If you add the occasional charm (or if I’m not tanking, pretty much all the time), you’re looking at close to another 30-50 dps in 18 second bursts (rarely need to charm more than twice during a battle).

So if in total I’m doing 70-100dps in a typical fight, am I then considered high dps?


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The issue here isn't DPS, it's reality. What is the third dot that does as much as the frost/fire chants? How are you chanting for that much while also meleeing (that's selo's damage on those chants, after all). Charming doesn't really ADD 30-50 dps I wouldn't think, since you are sacrificing something else in order to do the charm. And how does the rest of your group feel about you doing this stuff instead of the usual bard stuff? Or are you really that fucking amazing that you can twist a few chants while somehow also meleeing and charming without requiring total attention from the healer to keep you up and/or costing the rest of the group DPS because stuff is chasing you all over the place?

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Old 05-07-2013, 12:05 PM
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The issue here isn't DPS, it's reality. What is the third dot that does as much as the frost/fire chants? How are you chanting for that much while also meleeing (that's selo's damage on those chants, after all). Charming doesn't really ADD 30-50 dps I wouldn't think, since you are sacrificing something else in order to do the charm. And how does the rest of your group feel about you doing this stuff instead of the usual bard stuff? Or are you really that fucking amazing that you can twist a few chants while somehow also meleeing and charming without requiring total attention from the healer to keep you up and/or costing the rest of the group DPS because stuff is chasing you all over the place?

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>>The issue here isn't DPS, it's reality. What is the third dot that does as much as the frost/fire chants?

Lvl 59 Denon’s Bereavement

>>How are you chanting for that much while also meleeing (that's selo's damage on those chants, after all).

Clicking in instruments in the fraction of a second that it takes for the dot to land, than clicking back my weapons.

>>Charming doesn't really ADD 30-50 dps I wouldn't think, since you are sacrificing something else in order to do the charm.

I use a 5 song twist +BoH click, so since with the 3 dots that gives me 2 more songs, one being mana song and since don’t need to snare until end of fight charming recast works fine.

>>And how does the rest of your group feel about you doing this stuff instead of the usual bard stuff?

At first they’re usually apprehensive, but after a while I get some very positive feedback. Then at the end, they all talk about making bard twinks or never being able to play a bard like that, you know, the usual stuff.

>>Or are you really that fucking amazing that you can twist a few chants while somehow also meleeing and charming without requiring total attention from the healer to keep you up and/or costing the rest of the group DPS because stuff is chasing you all over the place?

Usually the necro healer keeps me up fine, or the mob is slowed, or I have my “tank gear” on including shield et. Al, or stuff is feared so we are chasing it and no one needs heals. Ask around about me (or other top bards) [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]


sorry for the replies like that I am doing this at work so can't stay logged in haha.

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