Raid Scene 12/20 - 01/02

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Suppose that TMO comes back and agrees to this. Cool, we still have to track everything and compete against one of FE/IB and TMO. In other words 10% of the effort will go to killing the mobs, 90% will go to tracking/batphoning/zerging etc instead of 5%/95%.

The real problems here are variance and overcrowding. The real solutions are repops and tokens. Everyone can compete and keep score on whokilledit, and the casuals can kill a few mobs each week with tokens. Everyone wins.

I know Rogean wants everyone to just play nice, but he has to create rules where that's possible.

With TMO back, you might have to renegotiate the agreement to skip out on 2 spawns after killing one for non VP or something like that. I'm sure there are ways to work this out without going back to the days of needing alts camped at every boss spawn. Maintaining some semblance of classicness is best. Raid tokens aren't very classic at all. Server repops with full boss repop is very classic.

And I suspect that after a month or two of the current agreement, the raid environment would improve greatly. The shitbags who only live to deprive others of loot would go somewhere else, as they would no longer be getting their daily fix of opponent tears. This would lead to a more friendly population, which would lead to better and more friendly competition, which leads to an even more friendly competition. Of course, maybe I'm just too much of an optimist. Maybe we'll always be stuck with people who only get joy from the suffering of others. But maybe that is true, and this episode has taught the decent people who surround and support these sociopathic bottomdwellers that they shouldn't align themselves with such people.

[Elmarnieh]

Yeah we should have a lot more full server respawns because classic EQ was not this stable.

[Lanuven]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The leadership of FE, IB, BDA, Taken, and Divinity have agreed on a special arrangement for this two week period. Any other guild that would like to participate is more than welcome.

1. Any guild participating in this agreement will wait two hours to engage a raid mob if that guild killed that particular raid mob on its last spawn. This does not apply to any raid mob killed before 12/20. Ragefire is not included; nor does this apply to Veeshan's peak.

This means, for example, if guild A kills CT on 12/22 and CT spawns again on 12/30 at 1pm est, guild A will not be able to engage CT until 3pm est at the very earliest.

2. There will be no training whatsoever in Veeshan's peak. All guilds are free to enter, mobilize, etc. IF there is an accident and one raidforce happens to train another, it is expected that the matter is handled maturely such that the force which was trained is given support (res, drag, etc.) and given a legitimate (timely) first attempt at the mob.

This agreement symbolizes a step toward a less cut-throat and less extreme raiding environment on this server while at the same time attempting to maintain a competitive atmosphere. We all hope that this agreement, in some form or another, carries on into the future and that each of the guilds involved in the end-game raiding scene on this server are able to, between them, come to terms that make this server more enjoyable for everyone.

Does this apply for the current Noble Dojorn shit fest happening in sky ?

[Aeaolena]

Originally Posted by Anichek [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To a GREAT couple of weeks, and with any hope, a vast improvement long term on the raid/end-game scene!

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[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by Lanuven [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Does this apply for the current Noble Dojorn shit fest happening in sky ?

It applies to Noble Dojorn.

[Yaolin]

The every other spawn rule = TMO and FE when TMO returns. Not really sure how this helps anyone other than FE if TMO goes along with it.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Yaolin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The every other spawn rule = TMO and FE when TMO returns. Not really sure how this helps anyone other than FE if TMO goes along with it.

Basically this is my opinion as well. I just think variance+way too many players=fierce 'competition'. But hey, I'm willing to wait and see. Hopefully Orruar will be right and the culture will improve a bit.

[happyhappy]

Originally Posted by Yaolin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The every other spawn rule = TMO and FE when TMO returns. Not really sure how this helps anyone other than FE if TMO goes along with it.

Let's see how this works first, then adapt as more guilds get added?

Nothing is ever perfect right from the get go, trial and error my friend and after 2-3 years of error, I'm down for some trial period.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by happyhappy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let's see how this works first, then adapt as more guilds get added?

Nothing is ever perfect right from the get go, trial and error my friend and after 2-3 years of error, I'm down for some trial period.

rofl

Yeah, I really hope the guild leaders keep the lines of communication open and are willing to meet regularly to revise the arrangement as needed to improve the raiding scene.

[Lammy]

You guys are really fooling yourself if you don't think FE/IB is going to do everything in their power to secure as many pixels as they can long term.