Guys, TMO is still killing dragons...

[White Ranger Rides]

Let's change the rules again, lol!

Originally Posted by Striiker

The Venril Sathir pop today (February 11) involved questionable tactics employed by some who were after him. This is completely against the spirit of the rules if not completely against the vague "letter" of them.. I would appreciate hearing from all raid guilds and most importantly, from Sirken and/or Rogean about this.

These guilds had a warrior and cleric as trackers plus about 5-ish people logged in, in the zone, ready to rush to support the "trackers" as they engage on pop. This is pretty blatantly poop-socking the target. There's no chance for rushing members to VS to engage him with this kind of tactic. It's rule-lawyering past comments made about having a group in the zone "XPing". Really guys, is this the level of "competition" that is needed? Why can we not agree to level the field here and let everyone have a realistic shot at this?

Sirken or Rogean, can you please lay down the line and enforce it so that this ongoing encroachment ends? The majority of guilds trying for FFA targets are doing their best to adhere to the spirit of the rules in the interests of competition. Being absent in defining rules and enforcing them just encourages more of this and eventually poop-socking will be back in full swing (as in some cases, it already is).

Proposal (enhances competition and mobilization without rewarding those camped or bound in the zone):
1) Trackers can't engage targets. Leave maximum at two trackers. The is more competitive as you not only need to get a force in zone, you need to zone in your tagger. Let the trackers only track.
2) No more grabbing FTE with pets / summoned eyes, etc.
3) Members of guilds camped in the zone or active in the zone must leave the zone before being involved in the engage. (to combat people bound in the zone, all must enter via a zone line or a group port).

[jarshale]

This is sad

[mattkwi]

Don't tread on C

[Geofizzle]

Best part is Takens guildleader talking about "rule-lawyering" when the fact is that lawyering the rules over and over to weaken TMO and other raid guilds is about the only reason his guild is getting a chance at these priority mobs at all.

Be thankful for what you've got. Sorry the GMs wont change the rules every time TMO/FE/IB has a FFA raid victory....it must be very troubling for you guys.

[White Ranger Rides]

2) No more grabbing FTE with pets / summoned eyes, etc.

lol, casuals

[Raavak]

I say learn2play EQ instead of rule lawyer everything.

2) No more grabbing FTE with pets / summoned eyes, etc.

You gotta be fuckin' shitting me.

[Hitpoint]

You got your rotation, you got these plan nice rules implemented. Can you just leave us the fuck alone now? If TMO wants to engage with a warrior and a cleric who the fuck cares? Maybe you should put a warrior and a cleric there. They're going to beat you to VS no matter what the rules are.

And what does this have to do with eye and pet pulling? There are classes that have to use pets and eyes to pull dragons and stay out of charm range. I propose that javs and bows aren't allowed next.

Next I propose that we are done with the Raid Discussion forums. A deal was hashed out, new rules were made. Now the forum is just used for guild representatives who know very little about raiding, to whine and complain about how better guilds still have an advantage. How the fuck is an SK or necro ever going to pull a dragon again if you remove eyes and pets Striiker? That's basically all we're used for now anyway.

[Nirgon]

I see the casuals are slowly inching their way towards having the "summon items for me" forum section.

It will be a glorious day. Log in, get items handed to you, log out. Think of how happy everyone will be.

Get those macros ready Sirken. I'll compile some best in slot lists for each class along with useful clickies.

[Raavak]

Originally Posted by Raid Rules

Guilds may not have any more than two representatives present at a raid spawn location.

A warrior and a cleric = 2. Sux2beu.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Trackers can't engage? Better remove every single piece of faydedar and sev loot, just to be sure.