"wow raiding is takes alot more skill than eq" - SamwiseRed

[Tuljin]

99% P99 bluebies only /autoattack in twink gear and are prima donnas about REQUIRING a cleric in group who does absolutely nothing but CH, as well as an Enchanter who AOE mezs sloppy pull after sloppy pull.

EQ is way harder when everybody and their uncle doesnt have a twinked Monk or Rogue.

What makes EQ great is the pacing/scale of mob encounters and attempting to "beat" the game in different ways. Very few (melee) players couldn't give two shits about timing Bash to knock out spells, and people who can cast DD stuns don't give two shits about knocking out spells to save the healer mana cause they'll just get a CH. People who have DD stun (clericsclericsclerics) never get off their ass to help out an Enc on a charm pet break. Nobody cares about clean pulls because the blue Enc can AOE mez.

This is taking the "skill" and reaction out of the game.

EQ is fun when you go into dangerous dungeons with oddball class configurations and have to make sure every single play is optimal. The great players are constantly challenging themselves and finding new ways to be effective. In EQ two caster mobs in play without an Enc can very easily be deadly, however if you're not sloppy on your pulls and using interrupts and LOS roots. This is an example of EQ being -hard-

The real issue is the majority of P99 blue are class fanboy nubs who deliberately try to take the challenge out of the game. They want to remove all danger and all reactive skill. They want their CH, they don't stun spells, they are not diligent about clean pulls and require an Enc with them. Our player base has (de)volved, and it seems to be getting worse.

[SamwiseRed]

when half your raid has 5 charges of insta CH, who needs clerics anyway right?

[Orruar]

when you kill a dragon in 30 seconds, who needs heals at all?

[Nuktari]

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[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Secrets [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

everything you described here takes time, not skill. EQ's a great game, but its difficulty is not why it is popular.

do trash mobs in WoW take skill, or time? they take time. hence, blizzard removed them because not everyone has 5 hours to clear NPCs that have tons of HP and pose no challenge.

ps; trash is back in cata, mop, and warlords. dunno what game you were playing but soo and other zones had trash

haha, you quote half my post and think you're making a point. this is why wow sucks:

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

also, adding pointless mechanics just for the sake of adding pointless mechanics is not the same thing as making the fight more difficult. it's clear that wow ran out of fresh ideas a long time ago and the raid encounters became jokes.

also:

Originally Posted by Woe1988 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sunwell & Yogg Zero Light are harder than the poopsock boss.

these fights were not hard. long and boring is just long and boring, not difficult.

[Oleris]

No mechanics at all Kappa

http://youtu.be/6SuW_whFQaY

[Ragnaros]

Originally Posted by toolshed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

EQ raiding is way less forgiving than WoW. You can full wipe in WoW and be at the boss again within seconds; hell there are even safe zones RIGHT BY the raid boss where you can buff and rez the entire party if needed. In EQ - there is not a lot of forgiveness and a wipe at a boss could mean you have to clear the entire dungeon again (with no gear, unless you have a nec) to access the raid boss again.

ever hard of camping a cleric?

[Treats]

If difficult doesn't = time consuming everyone arguing that point in this thread would be NBA or NFL stars.

Just don't have the time for that though, right??

[Bravo]

You could say wow mechanics are harder, but it goes out the window when you have basically unlimited opportunities to perfect it.
Didn't work? Just do it again, you will get it right eventually.
Right now,here people know down to the hit or cast what it takes to win the hardest raids.
However tackle it for the first time EQ is harder by far.
Your one chance better be done right or you are fucked.