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Old 01-15-2016, 03:07 PM
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Would come back. No reason to play if server is ending at current expansion.
Anyone with this mentality should stick to the blue server. You aren't really a PvP player if this is how you think.
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Old 01-15-2016, 03:12 PM
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Anyone with this mentality should stick to the blue server. You aren't really a PvP player if this is how you think.
I don't get this. EQ is not a PvP centric game. It's a PvE game with PvP enabled on certain servers. When you stop providing new PvE goals, people stop logging in. The PvP in EQ has always been over the PvE. That's why there was no leaderboard on the original PvP server, no BG's, no PvP items etc. They later tried to implement some of these things, and it didn't turn out well see: merger of the PvP servers.
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Old 01-15-2016, 03:43 PM
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I don't get this. EQ is not a PvP centric game. It's a PvE game with PvP enabled on certain servers. When you stop providing new PvE goals, people stop logging in. The PvP in EQ has always been over the PvE. That's why there was no leaderboard on the original PvP server, no BG's, no PvP items etc. They later tried to implement some of these things, and it didn't turn out well see: merger of the PvP servers.
Except that Red is a PvP Server. You only play here if you want to PvP. Thus, it stands to reason that Red and Blue should not be the same. And they aren't. We level faster here, because leveling isn't the focus, and we have different resist code and can take coin from other players.

If you're setting up a PvP Server, you do what's best for PvP. You don't just release PvE content and pretend it's still a PvP server, because it isn't. PvE content just makes people want to do PvE. The only way it encourages PvP is if people contest each other for it.

Right now, we don't have anywhere near enough players on this server for people to contest Velious content. It takes too many people to do it at all. We didn't really have enough people for much contest in Kunark, either. And worst of all, there's no real incentive to contest PvE content when zergs are not only possible, but the best strategy.

The only way to create more PvP on this server is to meet the following two requirements:
  1. Players need to be able to PvP. They need to be in the same zones and able to find other players at their level. Every class need to be able to contribute to PvP.
  2. Players need a good reason to PvP, otherwise they will zerg.
Right now, neither requirement is met. Players can't even find each other to PvP, as half the population only logs on for zerg raids and there are too many zones for the pop. Players have no reason to PvP because there's no way to contest raid targets, and no reason to do so either.

The easiest, simplest, and most classic fix is to reset to classic only, implement some sort of anti-zerg measures such as teams or limited-size guild PvP, then tweak as needed. It would take very little effort on the part of the devs, was the most balanced time for PvP, and would revitalize the server by enabling frequent PvP and allowing small groups to flourish.

Luclin would make things worse, and would be a ridiculous amount of work for our administration. Though I'm sure bluebies, who just want to raid decades-old pixels and RP as kittens, would like it. I just wish bluebies wouldn't play or post on Red.
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Old 01-14-2016, 01:13 PM
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The other great part of Luclin is the VT key farm which is basically Pained Soul x10. More open targets farming mobs, more people online playing, more PvP. Velious just provides very little reasons to play outside of raids.
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Old 01-14-2016, 03:11 PM
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The other great part of Luclin is the VT key farm which is basically Pained Soul x10. More open targets farming mobs, more people online playing, more PvP. Velious just provides very little reasons to play outside of raids.
This is what unmotivated and lower tier players said about the key, truth is it can pretty easily done in a day or two at neckbeard levels of play. Most people were extremely casual back then, The entire key has several times taken me less time than the average pained soul lol. I even at one point xfered to the legends server and had my key done in one day along with the friend i came with. Hard key lol
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Old 01-14-2016, 03:17 PM
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This is what unmotivated and lower tier players said about the key, truth is it can pretty easily done in a day or two at neckbeard levels of play. Most people were extremely casual back then, The entire key has several times taken me less time than the average pained soul lol. I even at one point xfered to the legends server and had my key done in one day along with the friend i came with. Hard key lol
I just don't believe you. You either did this much later on the timeline or you got extremely lucky.

SSRA part alone would take weeks because you did it in groups and generally speaking would need to stick around while your partners also got the piece.
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Old 01-14-2016, 03:22 PM
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I just don't believe you. You either did this much later on the timeline or you got extremely lucky.

SSRA part alone would take weeks because you did it in groups and generally speaking would need to stick around while your partners also got the piece.
Yeah, one day my ass. I got moderately lucky on 3 of the 10 key pieces and it still took a week of me and my bro taking turns camping that shit.
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Old 01-15-2016, 02:41 AM
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I just don't believe you. You either did this much later on the timeline or you got extremely lucky.

SSRA part alone would take weeks because you did it in groups and generally speaking would need to stick around while your partners also got the piece.
I dunno most people didn't actually play in a top tier guild back then and playing for 3-4 hours just makes everything take longer. I did 2 VT keys during lucling and close to 10 during PoP. I have seen 2 ssra peices drop in one pull. I think most of you didn't know top strategies in era for anything was the problem, we were AEing ssra just like we AE'd everywhere else. People talk about an AA grind, you could max your AA's in just a couple of days. Not a week not weeks a couple days.
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Old 01-15-2016, 03:13 AM
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I think the best we could maybe hope for is for nilbog to make a custom expansion using existing zones thus making the world smaller and adding new content. Additionally adding in some type of alternate advancement system be it the AA's or something new so that people have more than just logging on for raids, lodi. Increase the level limit to 65 but make it so you continuously lose exp over time down to lvl 60 this would make it so you would have to keep lvling every day to recoop the exp you lost while you were sleeping/work/took time off
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Old 01-15-2016, 09:17 AM
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I dunno most people didn't actually play in a top tier guild back then and playing for 3-4 hours just makes everything take longer. I did 2 VT keys during lucling and close to 10 during PoP. I have seen 2 ssra peices drop in one pull. I think most of you didn't know top strategies in era for anything was the problem, we were AEing ssra just like we AE'd everywhere else. People talk about an AA grind, you could max your AA's in just a couple of days. Not a week not weeks a couple days.
You can't really AoE on red
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