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Old 01-17-2017, 03:25 PM
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I don't understand why people are so against torrenting things that are legal distributed that way, like Titanium. If you are scared of a virus, you should get AV software.
Can vouch that the most popular DL of this type on the high seas is legit and works just fine.
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Old 01-18-2017, 07:38 AM
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I don't understand why people are so against torrenting things that are legal distributed that way, like Titanium. If you are scared of a virus, you should get AV software.
It's still illegal to redistribute and download the Titanium client online - it's still intellectual property owned by Daybreak, it's just there is literally zero incentive for them to do anything about it. So I mean, don't post bay links here because it is entirely up to them whether Project 1999 is a thing or not. John Smedley and Russel Shanks are both gone, and we don't know anything about the new CEO - if he decides one day, "fuck this emulated elf sim server!" and sends a cease and desist letter, then that's a wrap folks. That very probably won't happen because he was co-president when they endorsed P99, but let's not (incoming pirate pun) test the waters.
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Old 01-18-2017, 09:12 AM
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It's still illegal to redistribute and download the Titanium client online - it's still intellectual property owned by Daybreak, it's just there is literally zero incentive for them to do anything about it. So I mean, don't post bay links here because it is entirely up to them whether Project 1999 is a thing or not. John Smedley and Russel Shanks are both gone, and we don't know anything about the new CEO - if he decides one day, "fuck this emulated elf sim server!" and sends a cease and desist letter, then that's a wrap folks. That very probably won't happen because he was co-president when they endorsed P99, but let's not (incoming pirate pun) test the waters.
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Old 01-18-2017, 05:04 PM
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It's still illegal to redistribute and download the Titanium client online - it's still intellectual property owned by Daybreak, it's just there is literally zero incentive for them to do anything about it. So I mean, don't post bay links here because it is entirely up to them whether Project 1999 is a thing or not. John Smedley and Russel Shanks are both gone, and we don't know anything about the new CEO - if he decides one day, "fuck this emulated elf sim server!" and sends a cease and desist letter, then that's a wrap folks. That very probably won't happen because he was co-president when they endorsed P99, but let's not (incoming pirate pun) test the waters.
If you bought EQ at any time you have the right to get digital copies of your purchase. So torrenting EQ if you have bought it in the past is not illegal.
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Old 01-18-2017, 05:10 PM
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If you bought EQ at any time you have the right to get digital copies of your purchase. So torrenting EQ if you have bought it in the past is not illegal.
Also a good point that's often overlooked, although that still wouldn't grant a license to redistribute - just to reacquire.
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Old 01-19-2017, 01:47 PM
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If you bought EQ at any time you have the right to get digital copies of your purchase. So torrenting EQ if you have bought it in the past is not illegal.
The thread should have died here, as the above is correct. You don't have to be in possession of your CD case or CD's (broken or not). A bank statement showing that you paid for a subscription during the time Titanium was being sold is sufficient. Also, my placing my legally protected digital copy in a manner that allows others to torrent it is not breaking the law - the responsibility falls squarely on those seeking to obtain their own legal digital copies of a previous purchase.
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Old 01-19-2017, 03:00 PM
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my placing my legally protected digital copy in a manner that allows others to torrent it is not breaking the law
Yes it is, that's the definition of unauthorized redistribution. Granted, you'll never actually be prosecuted for uploading & seeding torrents unless you're running a large-scale operation and costing some hawkish corporation a large amount of money, but even if you have a legally purchased copy of Titanium (or anything, for that matter), and you go and download a torrent of it, that would still constitute copyright infringement because when you torrent something you are by definition also sharing it. If you own a bunch of movies and you decide to go download them off the bay without hiding your IP address, sooner or later your ISP is going to get a C&D letter from a big movie company because while you were downloading those movies you were also redistributing them without authorization.
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Old 01-17-2017, 03:10 PM
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I'm going to start burning copies and selling them for $50 on ebay
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Old 01-18-2017, 09:23 AM
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P99 can't get shutdown because they don't use any of SoE or daybreaks code.
The emulator is 100% self made legitimate.
And seeing as how p99 does NOT distribute any copyrighted materials..
Well you get my point.

Also any information SoE and or Daybreak has accidentally leaked in the past or present (such as code) could be used in favor of the emu. Stating such things as it is grounds for the legitimacy of the emu.
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Old 01-18-2017, 09:47 AM
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P99 can't get shutdown because they don't use any of SoE or daybreaks code.
False - the EQEmu source is a direct port of live server code and an infringing use of their intellectual property. Fortunately, EQEmulator has always had a good relationship with SoE with some of their former developers involved in the project. So in the case of a cease and desist shutdown by Daybreak, there would be no defense - it would be just like Nostalrius. The use of their server code, regardless of how much they've altered it, is more than enough legal ground to shut down any emulated EQ server.

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And seeing as how p99 does NOT distribute any copyrighted materials..
Also false - despite being very few in total, many of the files with each patch are copyrighted files that come with Titanium which include unaltered code originally written by SoE. I'm not trying to be alarmist or anything - there's absolutely no reason to think Daybreak would suddenly turn against longstanding EQEmu projects which predate their company, but it's important to understand that it is still illegal use of intellectual property, and if they chose to protect that intellectual property for any reason all it would take is one letter from one guy named Ji Ham.
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