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Old 03-05-2017, 09:22 PM
Rummol Rummol is offline
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Default Rotations for Old World Raid Mobs

I know this is nothing new, but I'd like to think that as a community we can implement a better system to share old world raid mobs like Naggy/Vox/Phinny, Hate/Fear/Sky, and Kunark Dragons.

The loot from these mobs is not an upgrade to any serious raiding guild and I'm sure that after 5+ years they have all farmed their share of blade stoppers, prayer beads, etc.

These mobs are huge bottle necks for people trying to complete epic quests. For that reason it would be in the best interests of the community (long term) to share this content. I am proposing that the guild leaders of the community come together to work out a rotation schedule so that everyone can have a shot at some of these targets.

I won't try and propose a schedule here and now, but I would ask a couple of direct questions to current guild leaders:

1. Is your guild prepared to share these mobs on a rotation schedule
2. If not, why?

Thanks for your time.
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Old 03-05-2017, 09:34 PM
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I know this is nothing new, but I'd like to think that as a community we can implement a better system to share old world raid mobs like Naggy/Vox/Phinny, Hate/Fear/Sky, and Kunark Dragons.

The loot from these mobs is not an upgrade to any serious raiding guild and I'm sure that after 5+ years they have all farmed their share of blade stoppers, prayer beads, etc.

These mobs are huge bottle necks for people trying to complete epic quests. For that reason it would be in the best interests of the community (long term) to share this content. I am proposing that the guild leaders of the community come together to work out a rotation schedule so that everyone can have a shot at some of these targets.

I won't try and propose a schedule here and now, but I would ask a couple of direct questions to current guild leaders:

1. Is your guild prepared to share these mobs on a rotation schedule
2. If not, why?

Thanks for your time.
They won't do it for 1 simple reason - they make too much pp and real life money from mq the items. Even if you got all to agree, @ up to 500k for some items, the equivalent of 1 - 2 years of casual pp farming and around 1.5k USD on some pp selling sites you'd see the same people farming the same items on unguilded alts.
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Old 03-05-2017, 09:40 PM
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Default yup

I understand the RMT angle....but if we had guild leaders aligning with a rotation it would put a lot of pressure (and scrutiny) on any un-guilded farmers. In essence, if you are wearing the guild tag you adhere to the rotation that your guild has agreed to.
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Old 03-06-2017, 03:51 AM
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I could see Talendor and Fay being rotated, but I doubt you will ever see Sev or Gore rotated as the epic drops are just too desirable. Even Vox is problematic because she drops the white scale. As usual, the source of all grief in Everquest is the scarcity and itemization.
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Old 03-06-2017, 05:57 AM
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I know this is nothing new, but I'd like to think that as a community we can implement a better system to share old world raid mobs like Naggy/Vox/Phinny, Hate/Fear/Sky, and Kunark Dragons.

The loot from these mobs is not an upgrade to any serious raiding guild and I'm sure that after 5+ years they have all farmed their share of blade stoppers, prayer beads, etc.

These mobs are huge bottle necks for people trying to complete epic quests. For that reason it would be in the best interests of the community (long term) to share this content. I am proposing that the guild leaders of the community come together to work out a rotation schedule so that everyone can have a shot at some of these targets.

I won't try and propose a schedule here and now, but I would ask a couple of direct questions to current guild leaders:

1. Is your guild prepared to share these mobs on a rotation schedule
2. If not, why?

Thanks for your time.
Not sure if you are really naive or trolling...

Its a classic emulator. One of the features of classic EQ is that the "old world" never became obsolete. There is no reason, certainly no new reason, why guilds would change their approach to raiding now.

There are a few targets that you could reasonably hope for a rotation on, but they aren't the ones you probably would hope for.

I'm not sure I agree that it is all fueled by RMT. I'm kind of ignorant to the current state of RMT'ing on this server. My sense is that it is actually more under control now than it was several years ago, but I don't follow it anymore to be honest. The in-game value of these items, even without RMT, is more than enough to keep guilds racing for them.

I really only see two possible reasons why this will ever change on p99:
1. The GMs force a rotation system on the players (this isn't unreasonable, and has essentially happened before on p99).
2. The server population drops significantly.

Until then, asking for a rotation isn't going to do it. The benefit to those able to race for it is, in fact, better for them than to share those mobs with the entire community. IE. those willing to race are already getting the bigger piece of the pie by far. I don't see any rational reason for them to change their approach to raiding these targets.
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Old 03-06-2017, 03:46 PM
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I'm not sure I agree that it is all fueled by RMT. I'm kind of ignorant to the current state of RMT'ing on this server. My sense is that it is actually more under control now than it was several years ago, but I don't follow it anymore to be honest. The in-game value of these items, even without RMT, is more than enough to keep guilds racing for them.
The level of activity one can find for p99 RMT, even with just casual google searching, is staggering...

I was naive when I started on this server a few months ago and didn't see anything /auc in EC for RMT so I assumed it was just a boogeyman. After seeing the absurd greed by some of the plat farmers here I did a google search and finally figured out why grown ass men act that way they do on this server, gotta pay the rent dawg.

Once you accept that RMT happens, that there's little the GMs can do about it without making life miserable for the rest of us, and that it only really impacts the high end game you can adjust your play style and expectations to enjoy yourself
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Old 03-06-2017, 06:39 AM
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Lets stsrt off small and rotate KDT , Vindi and Woushi
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Old 03-06-2017, 07:41 AM
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You don't understand.. The world would literally end if top guilds missed even one of these spawns.

Don't worry if this doesn't make sense to you right away..

The incoming five pages full of walls of panicked text will make it clearer.
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Old 03-06-2017, 09:19 AM
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You guys are quick to blame the top guilds for raining on this parade. There are plenty of mobs the OP listed that Awakened would not have a problem rotating. We rarely do them as it is. It seems more like you aren't willing to share these "low hanging fruits" and instead of saying that, you are blaming the big bad A/A. I believe CSG and Rustle are still rotating Naggy and Vox, maybe see if they will cut you in.

Anyway, if the server is interested in rotating mobs.. Gore, Sev, VS, Fay, Tal, ... I don't know.. Vox.. Phinny.. Wuoshi.. Inny.. Let's talk. We wouldn't even want to join all of these.
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Old 03-06-2017, 08:10 PM
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You guys are quick to blame the top guilds for raining on this parade. There are plenty of mobs the OP listed that Awakened would not have a problem rotating. We rarely do them as it is. It seems more like you aren't willing to share these "low hanging fruits" and instead of saying that, you are blaming the big bad A/A. I believe CSG and Rustle are still rotating Naggy and Vox, maybe see if they will cut you in.

Anyway, if the server is interested in rotating mobs.. Gore, Sev, VS, Fay, Tal, ... I don't know.. Vox.. Phinny.. Wuoshi.. Inny.. Let's talk. We wouldn't even want to join all of these.
It's nice to see posts like this amongst the endless P99 trolling. It seems to me that the recent attempts at diplomacy and player driven cooperation should be applauded for bringing some much needed positivity to P99. Kittens, as a general rule, will support things that are in the best interest of the server. If there is a good faith attempt to set up a rotation on these sorts of things then we would be very interested in participating. Unfortunately, we do not have raid forum access which might make it difficult.
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