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Old 08-17-2020, 01:37 PM
Ilahn Ilahn is offline
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you want mage to be classic 1 5 bolts in air same time , pet canni yes that was a very important thing on live , epic did a 240 BS on live , had 4.3k HP a very high mitigation , could stun the unstunable ( yes even giants and raid mobs ) double bolt levi bug , you could coth your own pet and COTH worked , so before you talk classic , maybe try and think wht you are saying and clearly , some of your post have been doc'ed i played live from 2000 as a mage and only after a bad pacth did i not have pet window that lasted for 1 week , epic had always since I got it on live hit max for 81 in end kunark start velious , at luclin pet gained enrage and a 280 BS upgrade..
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Old 08-17-2020, 02:45 PM
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Basically everything you just said is a lie. Pet canni was never a thing until AA and focus. Epic never backstabbed. Epic never enraged, even after PoP pets do. Epic was upgraded to hit for 81 post-velious. Epic did proc just about every round. Epic stun couldn't stun the unstunnable though POP air pets stun worked up to level 6000, it landed on EP bosses, it still did not work on giants or dragons. Double bolts were definitely a thing and I had found spots that gave double bolts 100% of the time.
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Old 08-17-2020, 05:41 PM
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Basically everything you just said is a lie. Pet canni was never a thing until AA and focus. Epic never backstabbed. Epic never enraged, even after PoP pets do. Epic was upgraded to hit for 81 post-velious. Epic did proc just about every round. Epic stun couldn't stun the unstunnable though POP air pets stun worked up to level 6000, it landed on EP bosses, it still did not work on giants or dragons. Double bolts were definitely a thing and I had found spots that gave double bolts 100% of the time.
pet canni was based on HP so it worked until Luclin where it became mana cost based , epic backstabbed epic 81 in velious , air and epic stun landed on unstunnable .. and yes it did backstab .. coth was not range based and cleared agro 100 % you did not loose pet cothing self and you could coth pets to clear agro and pull .. sadly my old computer i dont have any more
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Old 08-17-2020, 03:12 PM
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I remember double bolts on my wiz, it was a thing to behold!
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Old 08-17-2020, 06:44 PM
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As much as I'd love for this to be true... without logs/discussions of it actually happening in era, you will not get anywhere here.
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Old 08-19-2020, 05:59 PM
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Well I am not sure if this is classic, but speaking for red (which most people don't care about) as long as your adjusting the mage pet can you kind fix the idiot "charm the pet and it poofs". Mages get no love on pvp because of the ease it is to deal with fluffy. Decking all fluffies out with a healthy dose of MR would increase their viability ENORMOUSLY. A mage should be able to sick fluffy on someone and for it to seriously hamper their life without having the mage to just fall back on bad nukes. mages get no root so other than fluffy there is no other means to CC someone. EVERYONE ELSE has a means to CC people.
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Old 08-20-2020, 04:24 AM
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So if I charm a pc's pet, then I get charmed by another mob then a pc comes and kills me ...

Basically it's so much simpler (and more reliable) to forbid charming of pc pets than having to deal with the Pandora's box of exploits, bugs and crashes that would stem from it.
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Old 08-20-2020, 05:28 AM
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So if I charm a pc's pet, then I get charmed by another mob then a pc comes and kills me ...

Basically it's so much simpler (and more reliable) to forbid charming of pc pets than having to deal with the Pandora's box of exploits, bugs and crashes that would stem from it.
It is simpler. But in the vanilla era at least, in the above scenario, the mage pet would become a hostile NPC on an elemental-type faction. That's what would happen classically, until they fixed it (not sure when).
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Old 08-20-2020, 09:02 AM
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Izmael - If you charm a PC's summoned pet it self destructs just as if the PC had turned invisible.
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Old 08-17-2021, 04:52 AM
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I was able to locate a parse for the mage epic pet against some entrance frogs in Sebilis with a known set of buffs. It is PoP so the melee damage will be off due to melee dmg being buffed by that point, but the proc rate may still be valuable and I believe it can be derived:

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Just ran another parse. Here's what happened and what I did.

I was in Sebilis again. 3 Frogs aggro'd onto me and somebody close to me. The pet tanked all 3 nearly the whole time with some minor tanking by the 2nd person. The split second one of the 3 died, the pet was on the next, so it was a back to back fight of 3 mobs with some damage shield going on the whole time.

Over the course of that fight from first pet swing to final exp message, pet got 62.5 DPS

Then I converted all the Procs to a slash hit for 143 again so the parser could count those in. The DPS went up to 100.8 DPS.

Finally, I added another slash hit to each of the mobs after every hit they did to my pet. I added a 50 damage slash to account for the damage shield damage that was being done. That took some time to edit, because I had to copy the time of the mob-hitting-pet event and paste it below with the added slash for 50. That final DPS parsed out to 123.0

So just melee...............= 62.5 DPS
Melee + Proc................= 100.8 DPS

Melee + Proc + DS........= 123.0 DPS

Notes:
-Epic pet with 2 sword of runes and Muzzle
-Burnout 3 (leg buff)
-Sebilis mobs near exit (level 45-47?)

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====MY CONCLUSION====
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No, Epic pet is not obsolete. If you don't believe my parses, then go do this and see for yourself. icon_wink.gif
https://web.archive.org/web/20030720...pic.php?t=2140

38.3 DPS from procs, against lvl 40s seb frogs (assuming max dmg every time). That's 2,298dmg per minute on average, or 16.07 ppm on average @ 143dmg each.
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