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Old 01-24-2019, 10:52 AM
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OP: you have to ask yourself whether you are going to be OK with being say 3-5% worse than a Troll (or Iksar) for the sake of fashionquest. Personally I like the Iksar models, so going Iksar shaman was easy. If only Monk/Shaman wasn't so so so terrible on TAKP . . .
And that’s really the take home point/question. I personally am not min/max across the board. My monk I willfully made a human. Sure I leveled faster but I acknowledge that I will forever be less powerful in a big way by not choosing iksar and giving up that crucial regen and the ac bonus. My warrior? I made that a dwarf and gave up the FSI and huge stat bonuses on ogre. I regret neither of those choices because I wanted to play the races I ultimately created. I knew the consequences and made my choices and am happy with them.

For shaman there is a case to be made that FSI is worth giving up regen. I don’t agree and have never personally come across a scenario where FSI would have helped other than avoid a mildly annoying, infrequent inconvenience. The discussion of barbarian vs other - there’s no argument to be made other than a head nod to the same decision I had when rolling my monk.

Point is, if you want to be a barbarian ... be one! Play what you want. As long as you know why you made the decision you did; the choice for you was a good one.

Any class of any race can be wildly successful in this game with skill, knowledge, attention to detail, and gear. This is especially true for shamans. A sub-60 barbarian shaman with no fungi but played skillfully can and will function more efficiently than a troll shaman with a fungi who is played poorly with a fungi.

Remember that ultimately this regen thing is about mana. Regening more is always good but I’d argue that more important is how you use that mana. My favorite example relates to the slow choices a shaman has starting in the low 50s. The best costs 250, the next lowest almost as good is 175 and the one below that (by far good enough for a standard xp group) is 125. Dropping 250 mana per pull gets really expensive really quickly. Prior to fungi at 57 and later torpor at 60 my favorite trick for juggling mana was to use a lower level slow more often than not and save 75-125 mana per cast. As long as the healer isn’t struggling for mana, it keeps the buffs up and the xp train rolling.

Play what you want, but no a fungi does not comparatively “fix” the racial problem barbarians have. It helps mitigate it but all races can wear it so the power discrepancy will always be present.
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Old 01-26-2019, 08:55 PM
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I do have a 60 shaman, and I quit red because it's a waste of time, there's no real PvP and no real guilds to play with at all. Only a tiny group of small-brained people are on the server (which sucks, as I much prefer red to blue). p99 in general is something that's not worth much of my time, I've never played for more than 1.5 months at a time. Reminiscing about classic EQ and thinking of ways to improve it are more interesting than p99 itself.
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Old 01-27-2019, 05:07 PM
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Polar bear is pretty sweet.
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Old 01-28-2019, 03:13 PM
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Short answer: Play what you like the look of. Gear and levels trivialize any racial advantages/flaws in EQ.

Long answer: The troll exp penalty sucks but if you are a filthy casual soloer for the most part (like me) the regen and JBB access are great. Also can stack more Stamina than most races. If you anticipate having 200k’ish for an epic tear, fungi, and torpor it really doesn’t matter. I’ll likely take forever to hit 60, will take about that long to buy a fungi, even longer for torpor, and never have an epic. The snare necklace is quite nice.

If instead of a 53 troll I had a 56 (?) Barb I wouldn’t complain. It wouldn’t change what I can kill and wouldn’t slow down the grind much at all. Not shrinking would be really nice as would playing in unrest and HHK without burning pots. I’d prob be rocking a Barb Spiritalist Hammer. If I had a 53 Iksar that would be hardmode and I’d be grouping more...again no epic or JBB. Ugh...
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Old 01-29-2019, 10:52 AM
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So it's decided then, Barbarian is actually the min-max choice due to polar bear skin helms. Glad we were able to come to agreement on that! (Kidding obviously)

So, on a semi-related tangent, is Arctic Wyvern Skullcap the BiS polar bear skin helm for casual shamaning? Assuming I did my fashion search correctly (Fashion: Leather, Shaman Equipment, Head), this might be the item to eventually aim for. Doesn't really matter as I'm sure this leather helm will be perfectly serviceable til 60, but I'm just curious. Velious seems to have largely abandoned the concept of helm graphics for some reason. I disapprove...
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Old 01-29-2019, 12:43 PM
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So it's decided then, Barbarian is actually the min-max choice due to polar bear skin helms. Glad we were able to come to agreement on that! (Kidding obviously)

So, on a semi-related tangent, is Arctic Wyvern Skullcap the BiS polar bear skin helm for casual shamaning? Assuming I did my fashion search correctly (Fashion: Leather, Shaman Equipment, Head), this might be the item to eventually aim for. Doesn't really matter as I'm sure this leather helm will be perfectly serviceable til 60, but I'm just curious. Velious seems to have largely abandoned the concept of helm graphics for some reason. I disapprove...
Spirit Talker's Headdress gives polar bear view to the wearer. But not to others.

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Old 01-29-2019, 01:01 PM
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So, on a semi-related tangent, is Arctic Wyvern Skullcap the BiS polar bear skin helm for casual shamaning? Assuming I did my fashion search correctly (Fashion: Leather, Shaman Equipment, Head), this might be the item to eventually aim for. Doesn't really matter as I'm sure this leather helm will be perfectly serviceable til 60, but I'm just curious. Velious seems to have largely abandoned the concept of helm graphics for some reason. I disapprove...
Yes, you used the fashion search perfectly (always nice to see that stuff getting used).

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That's probably BiS for casual. For raiding I think Custom Crown of the Kromzek Kings and possibly even Custom_Frostreaver's Velium Crown are better. A runner up for BiS casual would be Custom Cowl of Mortality.
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Old 01-29-2019, 02:37 PM
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Thanks for the Spirit Talker's Headdress suggestion. Definitely BiS leather look for a non-raider. I missed it somehow during my search.

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Yes, you used the fashion search perfectly (always nice to see that stuff getting used).
It's an awesome tool! Back when I was more active, I was struggling to find a decent high end plate helm for my erudite paladin. Invisible helms were a non-starter for him, so I looked through ZAM data for all the Velious era helms to see what would work. It was a huge pain. This would have saved me a lot of time!
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Old 01-29-2019, 11:53 AM
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A bunch of live forum nerds complained they couldn't see their characters face when wearing helmets so now we have to deal with retarded invisible helms 20 years later.
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Old 01-31-2019, 01:09 PM
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This is an interesting perspective and argument (quality of life wat?)coming from a class where choosing the right race effectively eliminates health loss from their lich lines of spells.

That said I agree regen is always important. I still find myself wearing a fungi, casting regrowth and bear form because an extra free hp in canni ever 30 sec is nice for someone who compulsively/passively cast canni all the time.

Is an extra 9 hp a tick (Barb 3 standing, Troll/Iksar 12 standing) at 60 game breaking? No but it’s an extra 90 hp over a minute which is nice too.

FSI is cool because it’s not accessible in an any other way and so it’s unique (if ridiculously overrated).

At 60 when you boil it down, it’s basically FSI vs 9regen standing/12sitting and snare clicky vs white polar bear. Not game changing. Play what you like.
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