ugh... ToV rotation wtf??

[Heebs13]

Originally Posted by Castigate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mobs summon every what, 6ish seconds? And I dont think you can get summoned while DA?
We'd pull your mob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mobs summon every 6 seconds or so, I don't know if you can be summoned while DAed.

However, while you are DAed you are automatically LOWEST on aggro, so all your 2ndary taggers would get summoned and eaten alive while the puller used DA. Not only that, but spells (even friendly ones) won't land on you, so good luck getting 2ndary aggro while your puller is DAed. And unless your DA is lasting several minutes, it's going to fade and you're going to get summoned and killed anyway - and all of this is assuming you can't get summoned while DAed.

And if you are REALLY that hellbent on breaking this, we could just save the trouble and just make it a rule that you're not allowed to train in ToV. We've already seen the GMs are considering a sweeping rule change so it's not like we should assume this is off the table.

[Heebs13]

Personally I don't understand how the current pull strategy in ToV isn't considered zone disruption with the rules we already have.

[Wonkie]

Rygars no push interrupt thing smells like a lie

is it actually classic?

[Mblake81]

Originally Posted by Sadiki [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

just cut it into sections that are assigned to each guild and forbid people from training each other.

haha

Player: /petition Hi, the guys in guild A trained us in guild B. We had a player agreement that this wouldn't happen. We have fraps but they are from a bad angle. We would like you to leave your family at meal time and review this footage asap please, thx.

GM: *grumbles: goddamn these people*: Ok so I have reviewed your footage that wasn't taken at the place you described, I also didn't see what you claimed happen. But since this is a retar.. err rational agreement I will enforce the agreement you knew you couldn't keep.

Guild A: BULLSHIT

Guild B: HAHA! Free LEWTS

GM: FuCk... can I go back to my meal now? ffs

[Rygar]

Originally Posted by Wonkie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rygars no push interrupt thing smells like a lie

is it actually classic?

Lol, definitely not a lie. Hard evidence backs it up. If you were a vet during Velious timeframe or even Luclin / PoP and came to P99, I guarantee you players taught you how to push here.

[Sadiki]

Originally Posted by Mblake81 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hi, the guys in guild A trained us in guild B.

I mean, it sounds ridiculous to say "just enforce no trains" in the current era of lawyerquest kiddies, but it's significantly easier to enforce a no train rule when the mobs aren't contested by multiple people, and people aren't likely to be in the same spots at the same time. It's just way easier in general to enforce everything and players have the actual option to not pull it the instant it spawns. Currently, you have to, which really sets people up for bans due to mistakes and isn't fair. The server rules themselves are pretty much dictating that you have to bring a mob to the zoneline right after it pops.

Originally Posted by Rygar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

hopefully this will prevent folks from a convenient

^ Wedar's motivation behind his endless bug reports to get things nerfed.

[Wonkie]

Originally Posted by Rygar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol, definitely not a lie. Hard evidence backs it up. If you were a vet during Velious timeframe or even Luclin / PoP and came to P99, I guarantee you players taught you how to push here.

am i misunderstanding or does that mean stun immune mobs can't be interrupted?

what

[Heebs13]

Originally Posted by Sadiki [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean, it sounds ridiculous to say "just enforce no trains" in the current era of lawyerquest kiddies, but it's significantly easier to enforce a no train rule when the mobs aren't contested by multiple people, and people aren't likely to be in the same spots at the same time. It's just way easier in general to enforce everything and players have the actual option to not pull it the instant it spawns. Currently, you have to, which really sets people up for bans due to mistakes and isn't fair. The server rules themselves are pretty much dictating that you have to bring a mob to the zoneline right after it pops.

^ Wedar's motivation behind his endless bug reports to get things nerfed.

I mean, rotation or no rotation, a 'no trains' rule would kill the current meta of pulling bosses to the zoneline in ToV seeing as how every one of those pulls involves MULTIPLE trains. I can't believe what goes on in ToV was ever allowed to happen at all, let alone go on unabated for years. Dragging the entirety of picture room and ToV North through 4way and ToV West so that you can pull an aoeing dragon to zoneline (potentially with adds if you mess up) makes the entire zone an unplayable mess for the duration of your pull and murders anyone caught unaware, or if you wipe, everyone at the zone in too. It should be considered zone disruption and it shouldn't be allowed. The minute you send a monk to one of the wings and start dragging a train towards 4 way while shouting 'train, 4 way not safe' your guild should be DQed from whatever raid mob is up and potentially raid banned if your guild does it repeatedly. If there's a guild in North crawling and you pull a train into them, that should also get you an immediate DQ and potential ban.

[Sadiki]

Oh you mean like, no trains ever. I meant no training people with stuffs.

How about no killing mobs? Violence is corrupting our youth.

[Heebs13]

Originally Posted by Sadiki [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh you mean like, no trains ever. I meant no training people with stuffs.

How about no killing mobs? Violence is corrupting our youth.

Unfortunately the way things are right now, trains result in unintended player deaths in ToV more often than they don't. People get trained with stuffs. If the goal is to stop all the petitionquest resulting from the training in ToV, then banning training is the most direct route to that. A rotation, of course, could also stop the petitionquest, but a lot of people are very strongly opposed to a rotation, and the way the rotation was described in Braknar's post left a million loose ends and ways that guilds could just get utterly screwed. Instituting a 'no trains ever' rule would still allow people to compete for their dragons and it would solve the problem.

Of course, like I mentioned earlier, if the people complaining that they want competition ACTUALLY just want easy and exclusive loot, then the 'no trains ever' rule is horrible for them because it means they have to actually work for their kills, instead of logging in, hitting auto-attack on a dragon that is hand-delivered to them at zoneline, and collecting their dkp and pixels. The best thing that could happen for these folks is no change at all.