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Old 04-06-2011, 11:25 PM
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Old 04-07-2011, 12:42 AM
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Laffo voted for Dennis Kucinich, you couldn't be more wrong.
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Old 04-07-2011, 01:19 AM
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Old 04-07-2011, 03:32 AM
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Old 04-07-2011, 04:27 AM
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Why were so many Founding Fathers socialists?
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Old 04-07-2011, 02:11 PM
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Old 04-07-2011, 05:30 PM
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Say "semantics" some more you guys. It makes you sound really smart.
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Old 04-07-2011, 07:40 PM
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You can't talk about taxes and the founding fathers guy. There were *some* taxes prior to the civil war, but they were very limited; primarily certain sales taxes and tariffs on imports. I'm not going to argue that there aren't some socialist ideas present in the ethos of U.S. Government, just like I would never argue that it is a true democracy; it isn't a matter of debate, but absolute fact. However, I would argue your supposed notion that the United States was founded on primarily socialist ideals.

If you sincerely think that the foundation of Americanism closer resembles a Marxist ideology than it draws on influences such as Locke, Hobbes or Smith, you're crazy. I think you're taking the simple idea of social contract and perverting it into this modern notion of an all encompassing centralized social government.

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Old 04-07-2011, 10:00 PM
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Old 04-07-2011, 10:35 PM
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Err, your only claim so far in this thread is that Americanism finds its roots in a quasi-socialist ideology, which is just silly. Claiming that liberalism in its traditional sense some how correlates to socialism is just ridiculous - dictionary.com is all you really need to solve that argument.

The really sad thing about this thread is from the way you're talking it sounds like you actually have been educated, albeit poorly, in American history. I'm not saying your professors or school were wrong, just that in the process of taking objective, factual information; some where along the lines the message got garbled into this ridiculous notion you have of how our nation came to be as it is today.

You've really argued nothing beyond your belief that what it meant to be liberal in 1775 is the same it is today, and that liberalism and socialism some how are the same thing - both of which are misguided and you have yet to support beyond stating something irrelevant about taxes funding public projects and your apparent "troll" claiming the founding fathers were socialist.

Aside from our differing opinions of liberalism (see: you not knowing the definition of liberalism), you have yet to actually disagree with anything I've said.
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