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Old 10-18-2019, 03:27 PM
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Life was better before DPS parsers. People just played to have fun.
People still play to have fun. But not everyone has fun in the same way.

Some people don't have fun unless they get to force their idea of fun on everyone else.

Claiming that log parsers ruin the fun of casuals is... good lord. Lol.


On a related note, I don't even use gina.
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Old 10-18-2019, 03:29 PM
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Isn't a fairly easy fix is to require full screen mode?
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Old 10-18-2019, 03:33 PM
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Isn't a fairly easy fix is to require full screen mode?
Not classic.


Also, audio triggers, second monitors, virtual machines, etc.
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Old 10-18-2019, 03:34 PM
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People still play to have fun. But not everyone has fun in the same way.

Some people don't have fun unless they get to force their idea of fun on everyone else.

Claiming that log parsers ruin the fun of casuals is... good lord. Lol.


On a related note, I don't even use gina.
Why is it good lord? When people start discriminating against classes for performing less or pushing people out because they are at 998 dps instead of a new 1000 dps minimum limit for raiding, does that not hinder fun?

I understand your fun comment. But that usually why play nice policies exist.
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Old 10-18-2019, 03:36 PM
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I would, I think the developers would, too.

That’s why they’re forcing a UI that gives you less information and accessibility.

Your argument comes down to arguing semantics and the “definition of cheating”. It’s like arguing the letter of the law while completely ignoring the spirit and intentions of which it was written.

Like I’ve said a million times, you can rationalize anything and argue semantics until your face turns blue.

But that shit is cheating, using third party programs that read game data and use it to give you an advantage over people who don’t use said program is cheating, full stop.
Quick clarifying question - do you think this player is cheating?

From Lament Icarus in the VeliousUI thread -

https://i.imgur.com/8YM1pCj.jpg

Here is a UI I made on Green to test this. It allows me to log off and back on with no issues whatsoever.
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Old 10-18-2019, 03:36 PM
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Not classic.


Also, audio triggers, second monitors, virtual machines, etc.
Yeah I was lucky to have a 19inch CRT. Won it in a Air Warrior tournament. Most people still had 13inch. Imagine having multiple CRTs on a desk? Be lucky if 2 fit.
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Old 10-18-2019, 03:40 PM
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Please post your super great gina files plz. Just in case I decide to afk play.
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Old 10-18-2019, 03:41 PM
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I see it as:

Devs - we finally figured out how to make this UI more classic.

Clever players - we found a way to augment the information provided by the UI that doesn't inject code or violate the 3rd party app rule.

Pardon me if this is pedantic, but a log parser is not restoring function to the UI as it does not alter the UI. If it did, that would likely violate the server rules. Instead it creates separate windows that can be placed anywhere a user chooses, even "on top" of the game window if running in windowed mode.

As far as the spirit of the game goes, everyone plays their own way and I feel they should get to do that as long as it's within the server rules.
I don’t see why you even included that last part, everyone agrees with exactly that. What the disagreement is on is whether or not those rules should be changed to disallow the use of these cheater programs.
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Old 10-18-2019, 03:44 PM
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When the devs comments are it's not enforcable. It kinda makes it all a moot point. That also states they don't like it. #1 complaint about p99 blue high lvl is almost always "rule lawyers" for a reason.
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Old 10-18-2019, 03:48 PM
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Pardon me if this is pedantic, but a log parser is not restoring function to the UI as it does not alter the UI. If it did, that would likely violate the server rules. Instead it creates separate windows that can be placed anywhere a user chooses, even "on top" of the game window if running in windowed mode.

This entirely hinges upon how you want to define "UI".
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