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Old 01-23-2020, 03:17 PM
LegendZapp LegendZapp is offline
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It's funny, I felt the exact opposite: on Teal I never lacked people to group with when I wanted to, and never failed to have competition for good solo spots when I wanted to solo ... just not too much.

Take the South Karana gnoll spires: even at 8AM on a weekday every spire (and the extra spawn) was usually taken. Heck, Splitpaw itself (or at least the first six mobs, which is virtually all anyone does) was usually taken, and that zone is almost permanently empty on Blue. But if I got lucky or hung around long enough, eventually someone would go turn in scrolls, and I could get a gnoll spawn.

Or take the JBoots list: I stayed in Najena for a few weeks, and almost never saw less than five people on it. But five was a doable number: a normal person could sit there all day and get the item. I could keep going, but ... my point isn't to say you're wrong.

Rather, I'm trying to suggest that servers are big places, and different people have different subjective definitions of what "over-" and "under-" populated means, which depends not just on whether they solo or group, and where, but also their personal preference.

To me, Teal was the best server Project 1999 has ever created. I never once felt it was empty (except perhaps empty of the Seal Team crowd, which of course was a pro and not a con), and I had a blast the entire time I played on it ... which quite honestly I didn't expect.

I'm still mourning it's loss ... but I say all that not to argue with you or anyone else, just to provide a counter point.
I agree 100%. The merge was a mistake. Teal was NEVER a ghost town, it was still difficult to find groups and camps, but it was doable. Now, I log in and spend the whole day LFG, I can't find any cash camps. Honestly, it was a terrible decision, and the complete lack of transparency as to why was a mistake. I appreciate the P99 staff for all they do and making a great game, but that doesn't mean a bad decision is not a bad decision.
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Old 01-22-2020, 12:47 PM
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You had multiple end game crowds fighting over raid spawns on Teal. Why is Seal Team now the bad guys?
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Old 01-22-2020, 12:56 PM
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You had multiple end game crowds fighting over raid spawns on Teal. Why is Seal Team now the bad guys?
Can we be honest here? There is a subset of players on P99 which are unapologetically all about putting themselves first, and everyone else last. This is NOT new: long before Seal Team (which is where that crowd seems to have mainly gathered on Green/Teal) we had "AA" Guilds, and of course TMO monopolizing everything for seven years.

I'm not trying to judge those people: they're playing a game just like I am, and clearly putting more into than I am, so more power to them. But what I will say is, for everyone who isn't like them, not having to play with those people is more fun.
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Old 01-22-2020, 01:32 PM
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I started up on Teal and had a long list of friends from leveling and probably ran into a grand total of 2 people who I could consider assholes.

This experience of completely selfish jerks has become an everyday occurrence since the merge. Not that anything can/will be done, it becomes immediately clear why half the server left for Teal.
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Old 01-22-2020, 09:56 PM
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The server is at 1045 online at primetime for a second evening suggesting 30% of the pre-merge pop is missing or were boxed.
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Old 01-22-2020, 10:57 PM
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First: Appreciate all you guys do for us Llandris + co. While I disagree with how things went down, I will always respect your work and time you've put into the project.

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The server is at 1045 online at primetime for a second evening suggesting 30% of the pre-merge pop is missing or were boxed.
People can say it's boxed all you want, but half my friends list is missing and half my guild (just a casual guild not any raid guild) is missing from online.

The merge had a lot of my guildies really annoyed. Two of them I know went back to Blue (Consider Blue^tm! ^_^ ^_^ ^_^), but a few straight up haven't shown up after the merge. Our Discord hasn't been as active as last week and some of the people on there are playing something else.

Euro timezone is now even worse (I play about 5-6 hours into that zone due to my work schedule). 330~ online last night whereas the combined total I've seen the past week of Teal and Green was around 400-450 off peak (yes it does dip down to the 300s at times).

So your assumption of a 30% drop isn't far-fetched. Trolls on here would lead you to believe it's "boxed character", "green is failed because inflated numbers", etc. etc. But straight up people don't want to deal with 5+ hour waits at 40+ content even with groups popping up in zones you don't normally see them (yes CT has seen a few groups the past few nights who weren't just rubi farming).
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Old 01-23-2020, 11:08 AM
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First: Appreciate all you guys do for us Llandris + co. While I disagree with how things went down, I will always respect your work and time you've put into the project.



People can say it's boxed all you want, but half my friends list is missing and half my guild (just a casual guild not any raid guild) is missing from online.

The merge had a lot of my guildies really annoyed. Two of them I know went back to Blue (Consider Blue^tm! ^_^ ^_^ ^_^), but a few straight up haven't shown up after the merge. Our Discord hasn't been as active as last week and some of the people on there are playing something else.

Euro timezone is now even worse (I play about 5-6 hours into that zone due to my work schedule). 330~ online last night whereas the combined total I've seen the past week of Teal and Green was around 400-450 off peak (yes it does dip down to the 300s at times).

So your assumption of a 30% drop isn't far-fetched. Trolls on here would lead you to believe it's "boxed character", "green is failed because inflated numbers", etc. etc. But straight up people don't want to deal with 5+ hour waits at 40+ content even with groups popping up in zones you don't normally see them (yes CT has seen a few groups the past few nights who weren't just rubi farming).
Well then they can leave if they're not enjoying themselves. The server will survive just fine and they can come back post-Kunark if they want (assuming they are willing to go to the non-ZEM zones, because even post-Kunark those will always be overcrowded).
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Old 01-22-2020, 11:49 PM
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The server is at 1045 online at primetime for a second evening suggesting 30% of the pre-merge pop is missing or were boxed.
Good point, I suspect most of those missing numbers were boxed!

I also highly suspect at least a third of the biggest teal complainers boxed a lot on green/teal. They had a VERY un-classic bonus of pixels via double server boxing. Makes me wonder how many /listed for manastone on blue/green simultaneously.

The boxers/whiners are too dense to think the devs wouldn't figure out some of this was being done in a highly un-classic spirit.
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Old 01-23-2020, 07:36 AM
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The server is at 1045 online at primetime for a second evening suggesting 30% of the pre-merge pop is missing or were boxed.
Playing on 2 separate servers at the same time is not "boxing".
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Old 01-23-2020, 12:21 AM
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I believe there was 1380 in game post merge Sunday evening suggesting that "30% of green server was boxing" is a myth and that it has indeed been a rapid population drop.
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