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Old 03-01-2012, 01:34 PM
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I have to kinda laugh at TMO bitching about the memblur thing. As Metallikus says, it's simply more efficient to memblur the mobs than to send in 20 people with trains - raid interference is raid interference. I spent a LONG time arguing on the VD forums that we shouldn't randomly train you guys in VP, and I was really irritated at Bisch when he took it upon himself to do that. But when we went into VP while you guys were raid suspended and the first thing you guys do is start up the trains, talk a lot of trash about how you were going to enjoy corpse camping us, and in general be incredibly nasty . . . I just find it kind of hard to feel much sympathy here. If you guys had done something rational, like "since we're raid suspended, we'll let you guys have the 6 dragons that spawn that week in exchange for you letting us have 6 Trakanons after the week is over" I'm sure Coldblooded would have agreed and we would be on the road to good relations. The guild as a whole would never have supported training you guys in VP if you hadn't done that to us first. Basically I agree with Yendor: with IB gone you guys thought you could just bully the rest of the server, and instead you got punched in the mouth.

But my bigger problem with all this is I don't even feel like raiding any more. I just can't fathom guys like Jeremy and Fazlazen who enjoy the current raiding scene. I mean if we had simulated repops and the goal was to kill stuff the fastest and get the most targets I could understand. If we had PVP I could understand. But right now to "win" on P1999 you have to spend the most time tracking / at your computer ready to log in / having retarded FTE tactics like eye of zomm / making KS groups / training the other guild in plausibly deniable ways / etc. I guess it takes its own kind of skill, but I just don't find it enjoyable.
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Old 03-01-2012, 01:39 PM
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I have to kinda laugh at TMO bitching about the memblur thing. As Metallikus says, it's simply more efficient to memblur the mobs than to send in 20 people with trains - raid interference is raid interference. I spent a LONG time arguing on the VD forums that we shouldn't randomly train you guys in VP, and I was really irritated at Bisch when he took it upon himself to do that. But when we went into VP while you guys were raid suspended and the first thing you guys do is start up the trains, talk a lot of trash about how you were going to enjoy corpse camping us, and in general be incredibly nasty . . . I just find it kind of hard to feel much sympathy here. If you guys had done something rational, like "since we're raid suspended, we'll let you guys have the 6 dragons that spawn that week in exchange for you letting us have 6 Trakanons after the week is over" I'm sure Coldblooded would have agreed and we would be on the road to good relations. The guild as a whole would never have supported training you guys in VP if you hadn't done that to us first. Basically I agree with Yendor: with IB gone you guys thought you could just bully the rest of the server, and instead you got punched in the mouth.

But my bigger problem with all this is I don't even feel like raiding any more. I just can't fathom guys like Jeremy and Fazlazen who enjoy the current raiding scene. I mean if we had simulated repops and the goal was to kill stuff the fastest and get the most targets I could understand. If we had PVP I could understand. But right now to "win" on P1999 you have to spend the most time tracking / at your computer ready to log in / having retarded FTE tactics like eye of zomm / making KS groups / training the other guild in plausibly deniable ways / etc. I guess it takes its own kind of skill, but I just don't find it enjoyable.
I enjoy the competitive nature of the game, I don't enjoy KSing/FTE bullshit, etc. I don't enjoy training either. I don't support rotations because I get no thrill from that.

I like straight up "legit" competing, no bullshit.
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Old 03-01-2012, 05:35 PM
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If TMO are truly the self-proclaimed "good guys" of the server, then they would agree to a rotation on Trak that allows for BDA, Taken, and/or Divinity to have a shot at Trak, to improve the raid scene on the server for all. They would agree to a VP rotation so they could peacefully share the zone with the other guild capable of doing it.

Instead, they're goading us into trying a VP dragon so they can train the crap out of us. Bully tactics were responded to with force, and will continue to be responded to in force. Our goal is not to kill a VP dragon. Our goal is to deny you your precious pixels and force you to waste time poopsocking Trak until you finally concede that these mobs aren't yours to distribute rights to as you see fit as the bullies of the server. Until then, you're getting your own medicine force-fed back to you until you realize sharing is a more effective use of everyone's time.

There's still plenty of competition on the other mobs to float your boat. But Taken/Div/BDA deserve a shot at Trak, too.
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Old 03-01-2012, 10:28 PM
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If TMO are truly the self-proclaimed "good guys" of the server, then they would agree to a rotation on Trak that allows for BDA, Taken, and/or Divinity to have a shot at Trak, to improve the raid scene on the server for all. They would agree to a VP rotation so they could peacefully share the zone with the other guild capable of doing it.

Instead, they're goading us into trying a VP dragon so they can train the crap out of us. Bully tactics were responded to with force, and will continue to be responded to in force. Our goal is not to kill a VP dragon. Our goal is to deny you your precious pixels and force you to waste time poopsocking Trak until you finally concede that these mobs aren't yours to distribute rights to as you see fit as the bullies of the server. Until then, you're getting your own medicine force-fed back to you until you realize sharing is a more effective use of everyone's time.

There's still plenty of competition on the other mobs to float your boat. But Taken/Div/BDA deserve a shot at Trak, too.
I'd agree to a trak rotation that went like this.

1. Tmo
2. Open to all but VD
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Old 03-03-2012, 12:25 AM
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If TMO are truly the self-proclaimed "good guys" of the server, then they would agree to a rotation on Trak that allows for BDA, Taken, and/or Divinity to have a shot at Trak, to improve the raid scene on the server for all. They would agree to a VP rotation so they could peacefully share the zone with the other guild capable of doing it.
Uh... question... when did you prove you were capable of doing it?... how much VP loot does your guild have sir?

Right... you haven't killed a VP dragon... and have not demonstrated you are "the other guild capable of doing it".

Thanks,

Now STFU. Taken Div etc... we look forward to working with you.

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Old 03-01-2012, 01:17 PM
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VD thinks they can drop a couple of mobs when they have some good momentum and pressure us into a rotation. Nope.

The blatant fact of the matter is you still haven't really proven yourself in the raid game. You're proving this at a faster rate outside of that silly 3-way rotation we had, but overall, you haven't really perpetuated stiff competition long enough to be considered for easy rotation slots.

How do you know when you've proven yourself enduring and competent enough in the raid game to justify a rotation? You've proven this when we agree it is kind of pointless to continue to compete against you, when it's really just like a roll of the dice - no sooner. Right now most of us are thrilled to compete =) because you kinda suck

Let's see if you can perpetuate victory over a number of months, not a number of days or a single day. Then we'll maybe talk about it.

If anyone's getting mob welfare it's gonna be Taken and BDA, not VD. You may as well stop with the annoying transparent pressure - it is not going to happen.
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Old 03-05-2012, 10:44 AM
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Old 03-05-2012, 06:03 PM
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vd is gonna be back to farming fear in a week
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Old 03-05-2012, 06:54 PM
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Old 03-01-2012, 01:17 PM
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Clarifying Yendor's definition of "responded to in force" = CHing other guilds dragons with memblur for 6+ hours a night, every night for a week. With no intention of killing said dragon.

I don't think our "bully tactics" involved exploits. Actually we were just protecting dragons that we would later kill (any guild would do this). Bullying seems much more pertinent to VD's actions at the present.
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