Cleaning Up Our Collective Act

[isitatomic]

So, I've been planning to make this appeal to folks (read: "call some shit out", if that sounds better to you) at one time or another, and after a recent post I think now is as good a time as any. I've gotten several friends psyched about playing here come Friday, and I am usually having a fantastic time myself. I just have to sigh, clearly disappointed about the feces that often passes for acceptable P99 discussion.

Originally Posted by a member

There is too much sexist, bigoted and racist bullshit on this planet as it is.

Attempts at making it acceptable because it's the internet is just a copout by those who are afraid to do it face to face with whatever group they are attempting to insult.

I feel no pity for those that are banned for doing such.
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^^^^ Yes, this. We need to remember that this server is a community ON that planet, however.

Why the rampant bigoted vileness, people? For that matter, why does the above post get a wag of the finger from a few and chuckles from others? And more importantly, isn't such ignorant brainspew, in any form, against community guidelines *specifically* laid out by Nilbog?

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"Personal attacks are contrary to this spirit and damaging to the work of running this server.There is no rule that is objective and not open to interpretation on what constitutes a personal attack as opposed to constructive discussion, but some types of comments are absolutely never acceptable:

-Racial, sexual, homophobic, ageist, religious, political, ethnic, or other epithets (such as against people with disabilities) directed against another contributor. Disagreement over what constitutes a religion, race, sexual preference, or ethnicity is not a legitimate excuse."

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I've only participated for what, a month? And I've encountered plenty of bigoted, base, and just all around unnecessarily hateful nasty shit in game and on the boards. I generally use the ignore list for its designated purpose while playing and didn't bother making records, but I've collected examples on the fly as I've been reading over posts. Names are left out because I don't want a witch hunt, I want a cogent discussion about what we expect from each other. Claiming your words is your own business, but I won't be arguing with anyone about them because of disclaimer #1. Speaking of...

Three disclaimers are likely necessary:

1) Remind yourself what the text in bold above regarding semantic disagreement states.
2) Saying "suck it up", "grow a pair", [insert machismo-laden retort here] is a cop out and deflects the issue entirely. I'm not talking about "bad words" and "potty language", it's fucking hate from the bowels of the internets and belongs in your kid brother's chatlogs.
3) No, these are not all just from Rants & Flames, and even though SOME of them are (the post I linked to at the top being the most obvious example), that in NO WAY should justify that kind of shit.

Originally Posted by a member

Why facepalm you fucking faggot? I'd seriously pay money to play on the server, big deal. Fuck off.

Originally Posted by a member

[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]i'm not arab dude

Originally Posted by a member

well your no 14 year old faggot with no reason to live besides your huge e-penis ...

Originally Posted by a member

Hi Toddler.
You're still a fag!

(With regard to above)

Originally Posted by a member

Yeah, this was my thought.

Originally Posted by a member

Too bad Corey was a huge fag and that Aeen never took the reigns of AV. All the fags from Tarew Marr were completely worthless.

Originally Posted by a member

a douche calling others out on being douches.
stop being fags (like the biker's the the southpark episode).

Originally Posted by a member

Good, less mexicans that way.

Originally Posted by a member

Man... James Hetfield turned into such a pussy. Notice the words "sensitive" and the phrase "everyone goes home a winner"
what a fag.

Originally Posted by a member

AKA the lowest of the low in the nerd world, a faggot.

Originally Posted by a member

Oh shit.
Get Zhraath up in here please, then we can camp treants and not let faggot rogues in.

Originally Posted by a member

Ok, its free to play and stuff, but its bad when you see that only 1 ugly faggot can ruin the weekend of 500 people.

Seriously folks? Makes zero sense that I would be ten years older since my first EQ romp, and yet have to time-travel back to the 7th grade to play on P99. So now that we've had a great time puffing our digital chests and finding out who (thinks they've) won, let's either agree to follow clearly posted rules or not. I'd like to think we can do this without some draconian SOE substitute watching our every post and /auc in real time.

Your turn.

P.S. Unbridled Gnome-hate, however, is a MUST at all times, or at least until they outgrow the ability to wear that 5 INT waist for small races. Fuck that.

[mudvayne1812]

TLDR. If you could rub out an abridged version I might check back.

[TheDudeAbides]

Get over yourself

/thread

[Otto]

Hearts in the right place.

Buuuuut this is the internet.

I called out a buddy one day saying he was being a huge douche online and he's better than that.

He's still a douche online.

AKA I gave up and so should you =P

[Bones]

Originally Posted by Otto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hearts in the right place.

Buuuuut this is the internet.

I called out a buddy one day saying he was being a huge douche online and he's better than that.

He's still a douche online.

AKA I gave up and so should you =P

This.

While I agree (and probably the majority of the people on here) with what Hasbin is trying to convey,
This is the internet and nobody really gives a shit (or just act like they don't) what they say, because there are no real world consequences.
Trying to convince people that what they are saying on these forums is wrong will get you nowhere because they most likely already know it is wrong and just don't care.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Bones [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is the internet and nobody really gives a shit (or just act like they don't) what they say, because there are no real world consequences.

I dunno man, I have talked to several people who have been pretty upset by the hate posted on these threads. Most of those people are also not outspoken enough to say anything about it, but they are genuinely upset at people being able to mock the rules at their expense.

[Bones]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dunno man, I have talked to several people who have been pretty upset by the hate posted on these threads. Most of those people are also not outspoken enough to say anything about it, but they are genuinely upset at people being able to mock the rules at their expense.

Naw, I understand that.
I was talking about the people doing the hate posting (the ones who just don't give a shit what they say), not the people receiving.

[Bones]

Originally Posted by Bones [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Naw, I understand that.
I was talking about the people doing the hate posting (the ones who just don't give a shit what they say), not the people receiving.

Edit:
Although honestly, people shouldn't let anything said to them over a forum post get to them no matter how ignorant or out of line.
Why you may ask? Because the people spewing the shit our of their mouths are the ones who have something to be ashamed of.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Bones [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Naw, I understand that.
I was talking about the people doing the hate posting (the ones who just don't give a shit what they say), not the people receiving.

Aha. Sorry.
Yeah, that's my point. There's no consequences for breaking the rules right now. These jackasses are laughing in the face of the GM posted rules at the expense of people who are experiencing the short end of the hate stick.

[Scrooge]

Originally Posted by Otto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hearts in the right place.

Buuuuut this is the internet.

I called out a buddy one day saying he was being a huge douche online and he's better than that.

He's still a douche online.

AKA I gave up and so should you =P

This is very true, and I've also had friends who are "normal in person", but completely "the opposite online"....which I could never understand.