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Originally Posted by arsenalpow
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We have attempted to work it out like reasonable human beings with Unbrella/Mazam, and have not been successful. We are only asking for TMO to be punished for a blatant and clear violation of the server and raid rules. We want the staff to follow the rules they have posted and deal with the situation.
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This is the growing concern i have with the "work it out between yourselves" approach. If every "reasonable" attempt to work things out starts and ends with the desire to go fishing for a raid suspension, of course nothing deemed successful is going to come out of it. I mean for all the reasonable talk that did occur between us tonight, i honestly walked away questioning whether you were even genuinely upset that Dinacarl trained you, or more so content with the perceived possibility that you could simply use this as a means to your own individual need to spill TMO's blood as a whole.
Anyway and to essentially echo our conversation tonight, TMO in no way condones Dinacarl's actions. Heck, I initiated the attempt to open up a line of communication between us (months ago) as a show of good faith towards that to begin with. I gave every reassurance possible that this type of behavior wouldn't be permitted here, removed the stated offender from the guild, and even extended my own joint support with BDA in any attempt seeking GM punishment on Dinacarl (or any future offender) for his actions.
If that isn't "good enough" for you, or what one should be reasonably looking to accomplish in the attempt to find a resolution regarding a non-raid incident (minus the rule lawyering that wants to paint what amounts to an exp group tagging along with 18 GT in Fear as TMO acting out as a raid entity, of course)...then yeah, i guess that all was the waste of time *you* claimed it to be.
I'm all for owning up to individual accountability, as i believe we've proven on numerous occasions over the past months. If you want to talk on those terms the door is always open. If you are just looking to grind an old axe and/or play the R&F game, this really shouldn't be the place for it though imo.