Gun People / Gun Haters

[Hasbinlulz]

Originally Posted by Tarathiel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/15...#ixzz2FF5N0fek

Quality post, A+.

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[Hitchens]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lastly, to all you gun control nuts, there is simply 0 evidence that gun control actually reduces crime . . . for the obvious reason that criminals don't follow gun laws. Gun control is one of those ideas that is neat, simple, logical and wrong. Read for example: http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp or

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Implementing gun control immediately caused the crime rate in DC.

This is a dishonest graph. The handgun ban laws in DC did nothing to increase the amount of murders in DC, the handgun ban laws in DC increased the amount of guns imported from neighboring states by criminals to use in the criminal activities they would have engaged in regardless. The graph doesn't show an increase in disarmed civilians being murdered, it shows an increase in murder overall. Crime rates began to drop in the early 2000s due to in large part gentrification of the area and the handgun ban wasn't overturned until 2008 by the Supreme Court, long after crime had reached record lows.

With that said, creating a black market is never a good idea. Guns should remain legal in the United States and most likely will, regardless of how many intellectually bankrupt graphs each side throws out there to make their case.

[Charlton Heston]

What the fuck are you talking about? You just proved the graphs point trying to disprove it.

"the handgun ban laws in DC increased the amount of guns imported from neighboring states by criminals to use in the criminal activities"

yea... when the populace is unarmed the criminals don't have to worry about beating down your door

[Ephirith]

Originally Posted by Charlton Heston [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What the fuck are you talking about? You just proved the graphs point trying to disprove it.

"the handgun ban laws in DC increased the amount of guns imported from neighboring states by criminals to use in the criminal activities"

yea... when the populace is unarmed the criminals don't have to worry about beating down your door

You either didn't read or didn't comprehend what he posted, moron.

He wasn't making a statement on the efficacy of gun laws, only that the graph is dishonest.

The graph implies the spike in murders correlates meaningfully with the gun law. It doesn't. There was a massive, nationwide spike in violence and crime in general in the 80's/early 90's which tapered off for a variety of reasons including, in this situation, gentrification.

[Charlton Heston]

Seems you are the one with reading comprehension problems, moran.

The nationwide average is on the graph, and doesn't spike at all.

[Jimes]

people trying to argue that gun legislation - words on paper - will directly affect the number of people who have a murderous desire up or down. Yes, please keep debating gun control. Such a worthy topic.

[Ephirith]

Originally Posted by Charlton Heston [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Seems you are the one with reading comprehension problems, moran.

The nationwide average is on the graph, and doesn't spike at all.

Like I said, the graph is dishonest. This area of Washington DC was predominantly black. Nationwide, the murder rates among whites were relatively flat, and since blacks only made up about 17%~? of the population, they had a more subdued effect on the national average.

But among blacks, homicide spiked horribly during this time, and you saw a trend similar to the DC graph in every major urban black area nationwide.

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[Hasbinlulz]

That is also a dishonest graph.

[Hitchens]

Originally Posted by Charlton Heston [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What the fuck are you talking about? You just proved the graphs point trying to disprove it.

"the handgun ban laws in DC increased the amount of guns imported from neighboring states by criminals to use in the criminal activities"

yea... when the populace is unarmed the criminals don't have to worry about beating down your door

You're attacking an argument that I didn't make. Perhaps you're trolling or perhaps you can't read. Either is possible on this forum. I wasn't arguing that there should be an unarmed populace, I was saying that the graph was dishonest, and it is.

Creating black markets never works because it doesn't decrease the demand for whatever it is being outlawed, it only drives the supply and demand underground. Guns would be no different than drugs or prostitution.

[Reiker000]

You're all dishonest graphs.