Do you think it is socially acceptable for to be proud in being white?

[Hasbinlulz]

Here is a critical discussion of the "science" of race put together by the social science research council. The linked article is a really good starting point, but you can find several other articles there as well.

Consider yourself encouraged to expand beyond your wiki barriers and join the adult discussion.

Eve is from Adam's Rib, the Earth is Flat, and Races Come from Genes
By Jacqueline Stevens
http://raceandgenomics.ssrc.org/Stevens/

[Hasbinlulz]

Wikipedia contains a lot of fiction, just FYI buddy, either that, or I just solved an age old mystery:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicorn

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Hasbinlulz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wikipedia contains a lot of fiction, just FYI buddy, either that, or I just solved an age old mystery:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicorn

The unicorn is a legendary animal from European folklore that resembles a white horse with a large, pointed, spiraling horn projecting from its forehead, and sometimes a goat's beard and cloven hooves.


first sentence says its not real bro

[Daldolma]

This is a ridiculous discussion. Race is shorthand. If you think humans are actually broken into cookie cutter genetic subgroups like "White", "Black", and "Asian", you're an idiot.

But saying "race doesn't exist" is pretty silly, too. The majority of people that use the term aren't using it as a genetic marker -- they're using it to refer to the social construct or just a general physical appearance. If someone asks you to describe Tupac, I think we're all pretty cool saying "Well, he was black..." without necessarily taking the time to qualify that he shares a vast majority of his genetic makeup with every other human being and may or may not be more similar genetically to certain people with lighter skin than to other people with darker skin.

It's just not realistic to expect the basic outline of race to go away -- at least not any time soon. Even if we stop collecting 'racial' data and asking about it on forms, nobody is going to stop referring to other people as black, white, Asian, Hispanic, etc. It's a fairly natural phenotypical distinction.

[Daldolma]

Oh, and to address the main question of the OP, sure. There's nothing wrong with being proud of being white. It's pretty stupid, since it's hardly a step up from being proud of being human -- but if you're stoked about it, cool. It's not really any more ridiculous than being proud of an ancestor you never met, or a famous figure that grew up in the same town as you, or anything else that you had very little or nothing to do with.

But being proud of your skin tone or your genetic makeup or even the culture you were raised in really doesn't make a lot of sense. You can be happy about it. You can like it. You can prefer it to alternatives. But pride seems like a mischaracterization of the sentiment.

Also, I think you're conflating 'racial' pride with cultural pride. It's one thing to believe Mexican food and lifestyle is the best, but it seems a little more ridiculous to be proud of everyone that has ever had the same few similar genetic pairings and everything those people have ever accomplished.

Almost invariably, 'racial pride' is just another word for racism (which, as discussed above, is based on a flawed understanding of genetics anyway). If you're proud of being white, you're not really saying you're proud of everything Canadians, Norwegians, and Belgians have accomplished. You're saying fuck off to people with black, brown, or yellow skin.

[BigSlip]

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[degenvf]

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[Hasbinlulz]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"race doesn't exist"

If you were referring to me, to be clear, I said "it's all made up." A social construct is different than nonexistence, and neither is synonymous with the other as far as I'm concerned.

[Diggles]

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[Hasbinlulz]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

'racial pride' is just another word for racism. If you're proud of being white ... You're saying fuck off to people with black, brown, or yellow skin.

I know I am taking this quote a little bit out of it's context, but it is absolutely brilliant as it stands.