So, question about server behavior

[Swish]

That's the increasing difference on P99 vs "classic" on live - players increasingly give no shits about who you are, who was there first in an area (you'd be made to share it anyway), and any other etiquette.

I'd go as far to say as when I turned up in 2010 people just weren't like this and the OP's experience would be a really rare thing.

All that seems to matter at the moment is getting the pixels to spam in EC with, because TunnelQuesters all know that mass inflation is coming with the snow and they don't want to be in the position of not being able to buy anything in the first week.

A P99 microcosm of a wider problem...if you will (LawyerQuest/PetitionQuest/raid scene troubles with Sev recently)

Let us hope the OP has more integrity than the neckbeards and doesn't turn into one of them next time he's camping something outdoors.

[daasgoot]

You can claim a camp as long as you can keep the PH's clear.

So, if someone shows up and wants to kill goblins(and you are not capable of keeping the entire fort clear).. let them know which static spawn points you want to claim as a camp and let them have the rest.

If a named spawns on one of your static spawn and the other guy steals it from you, that is a KS and against the pnp.

[Swish]

Grachnist can appear anywhere in there though right, and multiple times? The camp isn't so worthwhile if you're cut down to a few hut spawns.

Also I should say that my last post wasn't intended as a dig at the GMs. You can't police 1200 people and make them all "be nice" all of the time... but it is a shame that people don't CC and ask people what they're up to [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Was on my SK in LOIO earlier, the usual shit... bard just comes by and sweeps the area clean. Told him to leave me a few, no response.

[kruptcy]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's the increasing difference on P99 vs "classic" on live - players increasingly give no shits about who you are

This is so sad too [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] You would think that on a free game with such strong nostalgia and everyone reliving the heyday of classic EQ people could find it in their hearts to be nice to each other. Unfortunately this is reflected in the default greed before need attitude of 99% of the pick-up groups out there.

[Swish]

I guess you can put it down to people being bored, waiting for Velious, camping items for their alts etc.

There's still good people out there it has to be said... just a shame to see this kind of thing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Rattle Squirrell]

Originally Posted by -TK- [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My experience with Lecompte has shown the contrary. These are simply server facts that he wanted to make a new player aware of to limit future frustration. You have to be actively killing the mob/ph to claim it (i.e., it is engaged almost immediately upon spawning) and a camp check is a courtesy, not a requirement.

Then why not be a little more blunt in general?

Just tell the new player that the way the rules are set up here completely make the players null to being decent individuals. They hide behind their lawyerquest and throw the ability to be courteous out the door as long as it the rules can benefit them in some way.

If someone is sitting in front of a named, medding and waiting to engage......sure it might SAY somewhere that it's perfectly fine to just walk up and kill what he probably spent 10 minutes to get to and ran him out of mana on the way. But it's just a dick move man.

I guess if he was just informing the new shaman of just how shitty it can be on this server of 30 year olds that have nothing better to do but troll young players because after 4 years of kunark they literally have nothing better to do.....then so be it.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by daasgoot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can claim a camp as long as you can keep the PH's clear.

So, if someone shows up and wants to kill goblins(and you are not capable of keeping the entire fort clear).. let them know which static spawn points you want to claim as a camp and let them have the rest.

If a named spawns on one of your static spawn and the other guy steals it from you, that is a KS and against the pnp.

This.

If you're there first you can claim however many you can kill.

But if you're killing only 5 of the 40 in the fort, that is why people just assume that it's uncamped and will clear the other 35.

[lecompte]

Originally Posted by Rattle Squirrell [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then why not be a little more blunt in general?

Just tell the new player that the way the rules are set up here completely make the players null to being decent individuals. They hide behind their lawyerquest and throw the ability to be courteous out the door as long as it the rules can benefit them in some way.

If someone is sitting in front of a named, medding and waiting to engage......sure it might SAY somewhere that it's perfectly fine to just walk up and kill what he probably spent 10 minutes to get to and ran him out of mana on the way. But it's just a dick move man.

I guess if he was just informing the new shaman of just how shitty it can be on this server of 30 year olds that have nothing better to do but troll young players because after 4 years of kunark they literally have nothing better to do.....then so be it.

and if anyone wants to know what a toxic attitude is, this is it. The reason I don't do that is because it is editorializing. Decent people be decent people. Labeling someone an "asshole" is usually just a result of a misunderstanding. Context is pretty important in trying to figure out if someone was being willfully mean and the rules don't account for context much cause that isn't something Guides can be party to.

Nice players are rewarded for being kind with trust and respect. Assholes aren't welcome in groups and are spurned by players. These are the rewards here, as it was on live.

[indiscriminate_hater]

Originally Posted by Rattle Squirrell [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then why not be a little more blunt in general?

Just tell the new player that the way the rules are set up here completely make the players null to being decent individuals. They hide behind their lawyerquest and throw the ability to be courteous out the door as long as it the rules can benefit them in some way.

If someone is sitting in front of a named, medding and waiting to engage......sure it might SAY somewhere that it's perfectly fine to just walk up and kill what he probably spent 10 minutes to get to and ran him out of mana on the way. But it's just a dick move man.

I guess if he was just informing the new shaman of just how shitty it can be on this server of 30 year olds that have nothing better to do but troll young players because after 4 years of kunark they literally have nothing better to do.....then so be it.

that rule is in place to prevent players from stalling camps for an unnecessarily long time, and to prevent people from claiming multiple camps, among other things. if there weren't a time limit anybody could just run up to a camp, plant their ass on the ground, then say it's camped and to not touch anything for the 2 hours it takes their group to get there. just as easily you could get a few people hogging several camps that wouldn't be able to solo them by swapping people around.

before you complain about lawyerquesting rules maybe you should think about why the rules are there in the first place.

[Duncon]

Unfortunately I think this is just something that has to be put up with.

Had a similar situation recently in Split Paw. Went in to do a little leveling at the same time as a monk (again from a prominent guild) arrived with someone to PL, a client I assume. Made every effort to communicate and be reasonable, but still had him pulling mobs from the room we were camped in and eventually were trained by adds from one of his pulls as we were engaged.

I suppose we could have petitioned, but it is not how I want to spend my short sessions. You just have to suck it up and accept there are folks who will not respect (or perhaps tolerate) your presence due to your level relative to theirs.