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Originally Posted by Horrible
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except they used SEQ / weren't very good. I would argue Dark Ascension's pull team was better when Ledzepp/Sochin still played, and TR/IB had to get GM's to raid suspend DA because they couldn't compete with FTE ruling. Until Uthgaard got involved and quit because Rogean refused to do anything about his good buddy / developer Xzerion that led IB and had Rogean on speed dial.
But ... good try.
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I'd be pretty surprised if none of DAs monks from that period were using SEQ. As someone who got busted for it, and played against those monks, it is pretty easy to tell if someone is using SEQ if you are as well. The biggest advantage SEQ offers imo is being able to see mobs without having to maintain LoS, for example, when mobs reset at their bind point. If you have SEQ you can see when someone else is pulling and what they are able to see, and how they respond to mobs. I was given SEQ by someone in DA as a response to thinking Tullian was using it (which he was), so them knowing I had it after I left for IB makes me think the same thing would occur in my absence.
I obviously don't have anything to back this up, but it was pretty obvious every pull team had someone using SEQ in the post-sky/pre-Kunark era. Even if the monk wasn't using it themselves, having someone in a private bind telling them when shit reset or where it was pathing was a huge advantage. Both guilds had players suspended for it, so for anyone to pretend they didn't benefit from cheating here is pretty laughable. Even the great monks from the early days like Emil got a huge benefit from someone like Tullian using it even if he wasn't using it, or aware it was being used. Hell, I know players from both IB and DA that two-boxed as well. People can pretend they're above that stuff, but I think we've all seen how most of those people respond to the allure of getting more loot, and plus, everyone knows that snitches get stitches.
If we really want to get into who the best pull teams were on this server, I think you have to either talk WAY back in the day with people like Krimz, or post SEQ ban with people like Adriana. Anyone trying to claim "pull team A" was better than "pull team B" during the period leading up to sky (when SEQ was widely dispersed on this server to my knowledge) until the SEQ purge is working under the false assumption that not everyone was benefiting from SEQ in one way or another. Like I said, I got busted for using it, but as someone who used it, it was pretty obvious that both sides were using it.
As a disclaimer, I'm not saying that justifies using it. I cheated, I took my suspension and loss of plat (like 600k if I remember right) - I just think it is naive for people to pretend it wasn't being used on a large scale by numerous guilds when over 300 people got suspended at a time when the average server population day-to-day was less than double that.
10-21-2012, 11:53 PM
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