Nostalrius/Elysium

[Priceline]

Originally Posted by Spyder73 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can safely and accurately say that Legion is better than vanilla is any/every possible way. Please tell me 1 thing vanilla has that Legion doesn't (besides misplaced nostalgia). I'll even start

1) Transmog farming is fun
2) PvP is in a good place with balancing
3) World pvp is at an all time high/centralized due to World Questing. 10000x better than Tarrin Mill/South Shore
4) New raids are pretty gud
5) Quality of Life changes over the last 15 years are excellent
6) 95% of the player base is unable to clear current Mythic content (no face roll)
7) There are 4 raid difficulty levels so you can be as neckbeardy or casual as you choose. Mythic raiding is pretty ridiculous, need good guild to progress
8) NEW content is still being produced at an incredible rate - First real raid tier (Nighthold) drops mid Jan.
9) Addition of Demon Hunters and Death Knights
10) Artifact weapons!!!!

counter arguments as to why vanilla is better:

1) no transmog, the gear you wear is what you EARNED in current content.
2) PvP has vanilla rank system and none of that normalized stat bs in legion
3) wpvp (lol)
4) og 40man raids, legion is just rehashed garbage "dont stand in X"
5) QoL changes?? aka dumbing down the game. outside of healers does anyone have more then 4 buttons?
6) Mythic is just artificial difficulty, mob has more hp and does more dmg.. WOOOOWWWW
7) Raids should be for those willing to put in the time, not any neckbeard who can hit the LFR button (see BDA's move to phinny)
8) "NEW" content term used loosely, same rehashed shit told badly and heavily influenced by what is/was currently popular (broken shore = a game of thrones episode)
9) no DK's and emohunters
10) no artifact weapons

[Spyder73]

Originally Posted by jolanar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why do you even play P99 then? You could say all the same shit about 'improvements' on EQLive. Got to be one of the back asswards posts I've seen in a long time on these forums.

I've tried Legion. It sucks. It's an extremely polished turd, but it's still a turd.

So your argument is if you love classic of one thing, you must also love classic of another? The difference between EQ live and P99 is not the same as classic WoW and Legion. This is only my opinion and you are welcome to have a differing opinion.

[Priceline]

forgot the most important reason why vanilla > live, NO BLOOD ELVES!!! reject alliance race, only reason they were added was to help balance factions. bnet kiddies "needed" a pretty race on horde

[burkemi5]

Retail wow... LOL. So horrible.

You can literally 2 man entire dungeons with ease. Nothing can kill you unless you pull a completely unreasonable amount of mobs. CC... LOL? What's that? No CC required at all for anything, ever. Every class can face tank 3-5 mobs easily and not lose more than 25% health. Retail wow is an abomination of what made classic wow good and now only exists to print money and re-norm what a "good" mmo is "supposed" to be. Fuck me, I wish i had the 30 bucks back I wasted on two months of retail wow. Never again.

[Spyder73]

Originally Posted by burkemi5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Retail wow... LOL. So horrible.

You can literally 2 man entire dungeons with ease. Nothing can kill you unless you pull a completely unreasonable amount of mobs. CC... LOL? What's that? No CC required at all for anything, ever. Every class can face tank 3-5 mobs easily and not lose more than 25% health. Retail wow is an abomination of what made classic wow good and now only exists to print money and re-norm what a "good" mmo is "supposed" to be. Fuck me, I wish i had the 30 bucks back I wasted on two months of retail wow. Never again.

You obviously have not played WoW in a very long time, let alone this expansion

[burkemi5]

I played retail wow like three months ago. I got to like level 63 before I realized I was wasting a shitload of my time. If what I said isn't true, it's because I didn't get to max level. And it's bullshit that suddenly what I said doesn't apply to the most groundbreaking content. How are you supposed to teach people how to play your game unless its mechanics only show up for the end game? That's fugging dumb. The same basic mechanics that apply to level 10 also apply to level 60 in EQ, unless you're uber geared, which is always the exception.

If that is true, then why even bother making people level up in the first place? Retail wow is dumb.

[Goobles]

Originally Posted by burkemi5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Retail wow is dumb.

Thanks for your opinion. It's duly noted.

[Wiley]

Far too crowded on either server at the moment, even the rather unpopular leveling zones like Desolace are loaded. I'll probably wait till that fresh realm comes out and the hype simmers down.

[Grubbz]

Elysium will be a PvP realm and will follow the same progress as the two older realms regarding timeline and items. The timeline will be revealed next Sunday.

We look forward to seeing you on January 7th!

[Goobles]

Soooo in!