2012 Presidential Debates

[Lexical]

Tomorrow will be the first debate and I figure we should at least have a thread about it. Hopefully some engaging conversations will occur, but who knows, it might just be me and the crickets. The topic for tomorrow (October 3rd) will be domestic policy. I foresee a bunch of dodging of issues. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Slave]

Who wants to bet that Barack Obama receives the most amount of votes for a President in the history of the United States of America twice in a row?

[Lucky]

It's disingenuous to insinuate that Obama has ever won the most amount of votes. Perhaps in sheer volume, as population is always growing since the industrial revolution flipped the bitch on natural selection, but proportionally speaking it's not even close. He barely got 52% of the popular vote in 2008.

The popular vote doesn't mean anything anyways, as we are a Republic not a Democracy. Reagan has the most electoral votes of any president ever with 525.

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Now that that's out of the way, I notice most Obama lovers are Bush haters, which isn't a difficult position to reach obviously. But how do you reconcile the fact that Obama has spent 3x as much as Bush in 1/2 the time and has reneged on virtually every campaign promise?

[Slave]

I always laugh when I hear this. Educate yourself. 90% of the deficit over the last 4 years was things that Bush didn't pay for. Ironically, the Right's massive propaganda machine is the reason why Republicans are consistently nearly as informed as turtles.

[Lucky]

Originally Posted by Slave [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I always laugh when I hear this. Educate yourself. 90% of the deficit over the last 4 years was things that Bush didn't pay for. Ironically, the Right's massive propaganda machine is the reason why Republicans are consistently nearly as informed as turtles.

Lol, are we still blaming Bush in 2012?

[Kraftwerk]

Originally Posted by Lucky [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol, are we still blaming Bush in 2012?

Only for the bad stuff. If something good happened post-2008 praise to Obama, if something bad happened he inherited it from Bush. This is common sense by now.

Also I genuinely feel sorry for you if you are wasting time watching a presidential debate, there are much better ways to waste time. *SPOILER ALERT* Obama and Romney are the same thing, sorry if that ruined the next four weeks of suspense for you. But you can start calling it Obamney, that's a fun word combo right?

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Kraftwerk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Only for the bad stuff. If something good happened post-2008 praise to Obama, if something bad happened he inherited it from Bush. This is common sense by now.

Also I genuinely feel sorry for you if you are wasting time watching a presidential debate, there are much better ways to waste time. *SPOILER ALERT* Obama and Romney are the same thing, sorry if that ruined the next four weeks of suspense for you. But you can start calling it Obamney, that's a fun word combo right?

I like

Robame

more.

[Visual]

Jesse Ventura 2016

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by FormerlyAMonk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

LOL. Romney never had a chance to win anyways.

Any black person who votes will be voting for Obama, just like in 08. They will literally go to vote for the 1st or 2nd time ever just cuz they'll be voting for another black man.

This of course is HUGELY advantageous to Obama, as he need not appeal specifically to the "minorities" because, again, they're all voting for him anyways.

This means he need tailor his lies only to everyone else, whilst Romney must lie to all the same people as Obama, AND all the racial minorities who probably already consider him to be a white devil.

Most democratic candidates get at least 90% of the black vote, so the fact that Obama got 96% of the black vote has less to do with the colour of his skin than it does his political beliefs. It seems from your post that you're saying they overwhelmingly voted for him just because he's also black, which isn't really supported by any data. Similarly, republican candidates tend to get more of the white vote, so it would be disingenuous for me to say that white people are only voting for Romney because they're just "voting for another white man".

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most democratic candidates get at least 90% of the black vote, so the fact that Obama got 96% of the black vote has less to do with the colour of his skin than it does his political beliefs. It seems from your post that you're saying they overwhelmingly voted for him just because he's also black, which isn't really supported by any data. Similarly, republican candidates tend to get more of the white vote, so it would be disingenuous for me to say that white people are only voting for Romney because they're just "voting for another white man".

Clinton won the black vote 83/10 and 84/12. Gore won it 90/9. Kerry won 88/11. Obama won the black vote 95/4 in 2008, and the amount of black voters increased by 4% (white voters decreased by 1%). In a recent poll, the current 2012 split was Obama 94, Romney 0.

He'd win the black vote anyway, but he's clearly winning it by historically large margins. A few percentage points is an enormous difference when talking about nationwide elections. You can debate the reasons for his success, but that's the fact.

He's also dominating the Latino vote by historically unseen margins (relative to typical Democratic nominees), and the proportion of Latino voters has skyrocketed.

And he's winning the gay vote by large margins, too -- but he's not winning it by any greater of a margin than your typical Democrat.

He's getting killed in white voter polls, but it doesn't really matter. He's going to win this election going away.