Trakanon's Teeth Zone Lag???

[killa0885pve]

Anyone else having trouble with Trakanon's Teeth?
This is the only Zone i've come across this but as soon as i Zone into TT, My ping spikes out to like 120,000 or some stupid shit.

I have 3 mates also who are playing from Western Australia, and the problem has hit us all. None of us can really zone in or out of TT. This problem is not just my end if 2 others from completely different locations are expierencing the exact same problems.

I Zone out of seb and within 20 seconds of being in TT, my ping skyrockets. Same problem with my 2 mates playing.

Any help appreciated.

[Alovia]

This is an issue that happens to quite a few people. Nilbog as stated that its not anything on the server.

I personally have not experianced it.

But I get at least 1 /petition a day from somone who is trapped in TT because of the lag.

[killa0885pve]

Any suggestions on how we can help, or what we can do to avoid this. (Apart from the obvious which is avoid the zone.) I hunt in Seb a lot and cant help but have to zone out sometimes.

Rather strange that its effecting multiple people but you say it's not server side.

Just curious if its maybe location based, e.g. is it just Oceanic community lagging here? some Guide/GM called Enrosh assisted me today and was from Australia, has same problem.

[maximum]

Bugs forums are for server-side issues. Technical Discussion would be the best place for PC/client-side issues.

[Calabee]

i have a thread about it thats been around since kunark launch, apparently it happens to people outside the US... *shrug*

[Jenni D]

i always go LD in traks teeth. its so bad i cant even go to seb anymore

[Labanen]

yeah happens to me from time to time, its not consistent when it will happen, like some days its not at all, other days its every other time. so i have a hard time troubleshooting it. Since some people never get it though i have no problem believing its not a serverside issue... bloody annoying none the less

[Barkingturtle]

Happens to me when I zone in but corrects itself after about three seconds.

I'm in Iowa, so I'm not sure it's a regional thing since you can't get more 'Merica than Iowa.

[Tobius]

This has only recently started happening to me, and it's horrible, I need to camp something there but I don't know what to do about it.

[SirAlvarex]

This sounds a lot like the old Sola/Permafrost issues. I don't have any issues in TT, but I have my FPS locked to 60fps (which was the fix for SolA and Permafrost back in the day). Have any of you that are having issues tried locking your FPS through the ingame options?

[SirAlvarex]

btw, the reason locking FPS could be a solution is that updates are sent to the server as packets. And if EQ is anything like most online games I've dissected from the early 2000's, it sends an update on each "redraw of your screen". If you don't lock the FPS, it is possible that you are sending too many packets to the server, and a few of them get "lost", thus you feel "lag" because only every 3-4 packets actually register on the server.

(this is a guesstimation on how the server-client is working on P99, and is in no way guaranteed to be the way they coded it)

[Nirgon]

This may indeed be a classic feature. Trying getting a PC circa 1999.

[Bamzal Sherbet]

best option i can provide at this time is lower all your settings, even lower ur fps below 60

lower all settings, take off shadows, anyting that requires loading time, maybe even remove shit from globalload.txt (in resources folder).

anything to improve loading time into TT to avoid the risk of de-synching during said loding time

edit: sum1 should try using eqlite client to see if that helps (less stuff loading by default)

[killa0885pve]

IT really doesn't feel like an FPS issue, its purely my Ping that suffers. I'll zone in and have a normal ping of 300 or so and after 20 seconds or so, it climbs it way slowly to about 20,000 or something stupid.

I can sometimes make it to Seb, but never click the door because it doesn't register server side that I have done so. So i have to quit, log back in and click the door within that 20 second window of good ping.

[SirAlvarex]

FPS is directly tied towards the sending of network packets. So thats why a framerate limiter/balancing your average frames is advised as helping.

I haven't had any lagspikes in TT after doing many (many) forager cycles. I got my first 2 this weekend, but it was a spike of about 10 seconds then back to normal.

I also wouldn't consider a ping of 300 to be normal. That's pretty damn high.

[Nirgon]

Like Bamzal suggested, I would turn off any and all non-classic features like shadows and luclin models.

[skorge]

im in TT trying to camp the pained soul and i cant even be in the zone for a few mins without lagging so bad i have to either camp or quit out..im in Georgia (USA) and even playing on low settings

[Reddi]

this is an issue for some time now, ive been hit by it without changing any of my settings, and then it just went away

nobody seems to know the cause/cure

[Masakizt]

^^^

[ozguy]

Anyone else having trouble with Trakanon's Teeth?
This is the only Zone i've come across this but as soon as i Zone into TT, My ping spikes out to like 120,000 or some stupid shit.

I have 3 mates also who are playing from Western Australia, and the problem has hit us all. None of us can really zone in or out of TT. This problem is not just my end if 2 others from completely different locations are expierencing the exact same problems.

I Zone out of seb and within 20 seconds of being in TT, my ping skyrockets. Same problem with my 2 mates playing.

Any help appreciated.

What ISP you with mate? I'm having the same issue, trying to isolate the problem.

[maximum]

Everyone having the problem should also rule-out Wi-Fi networking. Try good old fashioned ethernet cabling. Wi-Fi is historically unreliable for gaming (and nobody used it in 1999 anyway). Simplify your network. Main-line it from the wall if you have to.

[shun]

I've just recently experienced this problem in TT only. I can't cast any spells, my friends list don't work, apparently I can send a tell and that person receives it, but I can't receive any. The other day I was able to run thought swamp zone line without zoning and run all the way past to the edge of the waterfall while still in TT. I've tried /camp and /q numerous times and keep coming back to the same problems. This is very frustrating.

[Rajahten]

Have the same issue.

[Rajahten]

having same issue here. From australia, have done *everything* suggested in every threat, nothing works.

[Wokchop]

Same here and I'm in Oz also. But there seems to be a number of players from the US that have had the same issue, so local may not be the problem.

[SamwiseRed]

not sure what it is but my piece of shit comp has zero problems in TT

HOWEVER ive lately been playing on my laptop which runs eq better except for TT. my bard is unable to play songs, track broke, /who broke, global ooc and all messaging broke. sooo later ill try to figure out why one comp has no probs in TT and one does. they are on same connection so you can rule that out. both are windows 7 so i dont think its OS either.

[nilbog]

Still have never experienced this issue.

As mentioned early in thread, afflicted people.. try lowering your FPS in game to 60. This has resolved various in game issues.

alt+o , display, max frames per second slide bar. Let us know how it goes.

[KotBK]

I realize my issue is quite a bit different than the ones listed here, but i also have an odd experience with just this zone.

I only have issues the first few seconds upon zoning in from EJ and then again a little bit running through the river tunnel from Swamp out into TT. It is almost as if there is a lag barrier right when i initially zone in from EJ that i can run out of and then again run in/out of swamp side. It doesn't last long and once through it i can run around the same area with no further issues. This started happening earlier this year and has continued since without any changes on any of my machines.

[Brocode]

Ok i will post my experience about TT. I have tested every solution ever posted:

- Different PCs
- Files Swap.
- Graphics configs
- Wineq2
- Compability to Windows XP SP 2

NONE OF THOSE ABOVE CHANGED MY ABILITY TO BEING ABLE TO STAY IN TRAKANONS TEETH.

I have only found one answer, PING.

I am european as i live in Spain, Madrid. Connecting from my home i get like 240-280 PING(IF SERVER NOT OVERLOADED with 600+) if thats true it keeps at 350-450 PING and for TT sync thats like a 101% chance to get desynced and disconnected in a few mins or ghost walk. 11 of 10 tries will get me disconnected, fact.

Once i connected from work, different internet provider my ping ranges 160-180, and zoning in TT sync has like 30% chance of disconnect, 2 out of 3 tries i made in without disconnects, even tho 1 time i still got disconnected.


Bottom line: the best ping connection to the server will get you:
- FASTER ZONING, yeah i mean it, my NASA pc loses to my work PC.
- BEING ABLE TO STAY AND ZONE IN TRAKANONS TEETH, still not 100% in my case.
- BETTER SYNC WITH GAME, walking and meleeing a mob etc.


How to get better connection?
- Change internet Provider
- Boost Server, as the more players around the bigger lag can get.
- Who knows, better tracert route?



PS: i do use windows 7 64 bits, 10 mb dsl, sad tracert with server as my ping is as stated above.
PS2: Should make a stick about it.

[Wokchop]

Update.
I adjusted my FPS to 60 as suggested. After reading the last few posts with interest I kept a watch on the ping. Zoned from EJ to TT and the ping went 420,560,6150 while the percentage flickered between 100%/99.99% rapidly. Went LD and started again. Second time I zoned to TT ping was 317,358,5266 and % was steady at 97.79%. I ran for the EJ zone. This was in less than 30 secs from zoning to TT and managed to zone to EJ. Please post any other issues with TT. This is beginning to be a very real problem for my very impatient Drood.

[doraf]

This problem started happening here about 3 weeks ago. I've been on this server since day 1 and never had a problem until recently.

I will try resetting the TT zone files tonight. I doubt it will help, but it's the last idea I have to fix it other than zoning into TT, putting Seb key on cursor, and then reclogging and hoping nobody sends me a tell between EJ and Seb.

[George_Smith]

Never had an issue with TT until I switched ISPs last week (Went from a phone line DSL to Cable). Now I'm getting major lag, MS in the 3000 plus range, and pretty much only able to do one action per log in. Also I noticed that the high MS stays for an hour or so after I leave the zone, not sure why it would linger like that.

Hopefully something said above is of use.

AzzudnXX

[Spazz502]

I thought I would chime in here with my experience. I loaded into TT 2 days ago to start farming seb key. I wander around the zone a little while nothing out of the ordinary. Tracked down my first forager and start casting snare. Mob changes from a walk to a run. All spells have grayed out and I can't cast anything. Mob passes through me no melee contact. Netstat is showing 100% connectivity. I don't LD. So I freak out and start heading for Swamp zone line. I walked straight through the zone line and to the end of the map. Uh oh! /q

Log back in to 7% HP and immediately loading into Swamp.

Rinse repeat happened 3 times. I can't go to Seb.

WTB Translocator and completion of key quest. :D That is all.
( Never to early for custom content like the boats, ;) )

I have a 20 meg connection with no latency issues on anything else. I'm based out of Kentucky. Max FPS is set to 50 and as been for a while due to the turning speed issue.

[SirAlvarex]

For those having issues, I might suggest downloading/running WireShark/tcpdump to sniff out the packets and see what the return value is while you are in TT. You'll get spammed all to hell, but maybe then a dev might be able to see why the packets are getting dropped.

Hopefully one of you who are afflicted has some system administration history and can decipher the output :)

[ozguy]

Here is a WORKAROUND for this issue:

I'm not trolling, found this out by chance and repeated it successfully 3 times so far.

1. Zone into Trakanon's Teeth
2. Die (eg run into a mob or quickly duel someone before it lags out)
3. Port/run back and zone back into trakanon's teeth, the lag issue will be gone for this session. Loot corpse/rez then do what you need to do here before zoning out again because next time it will be screwed again.

[Brocode]

Here is a WORKAROUND for this issue:

I'm not trolling, found this out by chance and repeated it successfully 3 times so far.

1. Zone into Trakanon's Teeth
2. Die (eg run into a mob or quickly duel someone before it lags out)
3. Port/run back and zone back into trakanon's teeth, the lag issue will be gone for this session. Loot corpse/rez then do what you need to do here before zoning out again because next time it will be screwed again.


Thing is you are slowly desyncing with server until LD, your actions in game will happen with huge delays, but will happen, until your just a ghost.

BUT

if you are able to make it resync with you like, trading with someone, something that obligates server to acknowledge your client, you will resync and maintain stable.

[Nizzarr]

Whenever I watch a stream,soundcloud,mixcloud or am just downloading a lot(probably tranny porn) I get the dreaded TT bug 90% of the time. When im not doing any of that I get it maybe 1% of the time. I'm using a wireless connection.

hope this helps fixing it.

Also whenever I finished zoning in Trakanon's teeth, my connection/computer kinda freeze for a second and then it seems to resync back. Thats when the bug happens. If you're downloading/uploading at that very moment , youll be desynched.

http://www.speedtest.net/result/2820060681.png

[Swifty]

Whenever I watch a stream,soundcloud,mixcloud or am just downloading a lot(probably tranny porn) I get the dreaded TT bug 90% of the time. When im not doing any of that I get it maybe 1% of the time. I'm using a wireless connection.

hope this helps fixing it.

Also whenever I finished zoning in Trakanon's teeth, my connection/computer kinda freeze for a second and then it seems to resync back. Thats when the bug happens. If you're downloading/uploading at that very moment , youll be desynched.

http://www.speedtest.net/result/2820060681.png

I was running EQ on mac OS, and had the same experience as above.

Once i installed windows 7, on the same hardware, and the same internet connection, i have not had this problem even once. (i should also add, i got a new router in the mean time).

[Kender]

zone/log into TT
cast a spell (non casters migth be able to use a clicky like jboots or gobbie earring, not sure)
wait and see if cast bar pops back or for bard if you can sing a different song

if you cant, camp or /q (might require a restart of eq if it crashes or doesnt pop you to character select)

repeat until the spell works without any delays
test it a few times to be sure of stability

i've had to do this a few times. but once you got a proper stable connection it seems to remain that wai until you zone. sometimes you might have to camp and crash 4 or 5 times

[snooppy88]

sad, tried for 4hrs and not once is it successful

[Wokchop]

Still a 'no go zone' for me too.

[snooppy88]

its said, can't do monk epic even.

[Sarius]

Then quit. This thread dates back to March, your tears and nerd rage aren't going get things fixed immediately. If you want it to get fixed, post as much specific detail as possible (eg. Connection, settings, etc.). Otherwise, go whine in RnF.

[Pheer]

Ive had this happen to me multiple times, camping out doesn't fix it and Ive found the only way to fix it is for me to log out, wait a minute, and log into a character on a different account, then switch back again. It even persisted after me not logging back into the game for a week or so until I did the account switch again.

[Steveyd]

Just wanted to bump this - what info is needed from the devs to move forward beyond what's been shared here?

Happy to post in technical if the discussion is more appropriate for that forum.

[snooppy88]

Please do.. i miss sebilis

[Chrysus]

This zone is my bane. I'm running EQ on linux (plain install, no launchers, custom UIs etc) using a what I imagine is a much different setup then others here, however I get exactly the same problem that others have detailed in this thread. The idea my router knows when I zone into TT and lags only then is just absurd. Internet speed below.

http://www.speedtest.net/result/2928701768.png

Getting into TT is quite the ordeal. I zone in, wait for the lag to hit a few seconds later, then do "/who wizard all" for a few minutes. If I continue to get results back immediately I know I'm good and can run to seb, if it lags or simply doesn't return results at all I know I need to /q out and try again. Often I'll be retrying 10+ times before I get it to work or just give up.

Doing a "/who wizard" always returns immediately even when desynced.

[snooppy88]

upz

[Tasslehofp99]

Damn this is still going on?

I've noticed that almost all of my buddies from europe/Australia have this issue with TT.
They've all since quit, but I thought for some reason their TT lagging stopped.

[Morbo the Annihilator]

Bump.

I haven't seen sebilis in over 6 months, and i'm so bored of KC.

Would it be viable to implement another zone-in that we can click to access seb? place it somewhere that takes just as long to get to. in the middle of Swamp of no hope, or North East corner of EJ, or North West corner of Skyfire.

I wouldn't mind an inconvenient walk if it meant I can finally zone in to Seb.

[nothsa]

I have this issue as well, im Australian based, ever other zone I have used is fine =/

[snooppy88]

bump

[nothsa]

Bump . I never had issues with traks teeth 10 years ago in Australia and on dail up, its something odd, could we try a trail with out the fighting code. I recall last year on my cleric being fine

[snooppy88]

upzzzzzzzzzzz

[Litharack_Necro]

Bump. Can't last a minute in TT without being de-synched. Never used to be a problem. Not a problem in other zones.

[Arteker]

Bump. Can't last a minute in TT without being de-synched. Never used to be a problem. Not a problem in other zones.

Bump this trouble still happenin and growing out.

[Steveyd]

Bump.

Would it be viable to implement another zone-in that we can click to access seb? place it somewhere that takes just as long to get to. in the middle of Swamp of no hope, or North East corner of EJ, or North West corner of Skyfire.

I wouldn't mind an inconvenient walk if it meant I can finally zone in to Seb.

Bump for this suggestion. Know that it's not classic, but neither is a chunk of the population not being able to access this famous old zone. Had an easier time on dial up back in the day.

[rafaone]

This is happening to me too. Just the same of above. Please we need a solve for this ....

[rafaone]

Guys I found a (Possible) solve to this.

Ok, we all know that somehow, client desync with server for some of us in TT. I have found that if you zone into TT and stay totally still for about 15 secs, you have about a ~ 60% chance of not desync'ing when zoning.

Try it and discuss.

[Brut]

Frustration bump while shuffling through login for oomphteenth time trying to enter the damned place without an immediate desync.
Made it in twice now by standing on my head while playing with my feet while running game at 21fps 29% clip plane 68% gamma mouselook sensitivity 85% begging skill 14. Killed one PS PH and desynced again. Zone literally cancer.

Move all TT NPCs and zone connections to Erudin Palace or something imo.

[Motec]

what a total fuckup, no idea what you guys did to the zone but its retarded


Just took me 35mins to run across it and now I cant zone into seb no matter how much i relog/LD.

[snooppy88]

still same issue.

[Ambrotos]

Ephi mentioned it was looked into. It can't be reproduced. I am unsure if they are even working on it anymore to figure it out. Since no one on the staff as a staff toon or normal account have issues, it is hard to find out what is wrong.

There are over 4k different players on this server, and a very select handful of people have issues with TT.

Stop trying to make it out like the Dev staff has decided to mess with this one zone to ruin your entire everquest experience.

[Motec]

So what has changed from a few months ago?

I have been lag free, perfectly fine 150-300ms ping in all zones on p1999 for years. All of a sudden plane of fear, and Traks Teeth desync for me. Within seconds.

It is absolutely hopeless. What information should I gather for you to help diagnose this?

[Brut]

Just hoping something could be done to help out said handful. Translocator npc that spawns every 30mins at northeast corner of EJ or something, the trip to sebilis is absolutely dreadful since you cant really do anything about it if some frog or ghost aggrod you en route (even if going along zonewalls). The CRs are the pits.

[snooppy88]

My biggest problem is not able to get a key to Sebilis. Please help.

[gojita69]

I'm having these issues with Firiona vie as well

[rafaone]

Ephi mentioned it was looked into. It can't be reproduced. I am unsure if they are even working on it anymore to figure it out. Since no one on the staff as a staff toon or normal account have issues, it is hard to find out what is wrong.

There are over 4k different players on this server, and a very select handful of people have issues with TT.

Stop trying to make it out like the Dev staff has decided to mess with this one zone to ruin your entire everquest experience.

Ambrotos. More than half the people I know, have this problem. Its like a cancer. TT its simply unplayable. It sucks. I ended up binding myself next to the Seb orb. I got just the time to GATE and USE IT before desync.

We need a solve...

[Calabee]

it's a non american issue, i have a bug about it since day 1 of kunark

btw it worked fine for a week or two after the latest ddos ended, but it's back to unplayable

[amishriot]

Same problem here. Logging in from NZ. So far this is the only zone I have an issue with. Tried all the various suggestions people have made in this thread and nothing works.

Seems to me the best solution would be a work around. Some way to enter seb via another zone even if it is very inconvenient for us. Please KC is boring =(

[Motec]

Ephi mentioned it was looked into. It can't be reproduced. I am unsure if they are even working on it anymore to figure it out. Since no one on the staff as a staff toon or normal account have issues, it is hard to find out what is wrong.

There are over 4k different players on this server, and a very select handful of people have issues with TT.

Stop trying to make it out like the Dev staff has decided to mess with this one zone to ruin your entire everquest experience.

Youre wrong mate,

I know a LOT of people with this issue. I actively need to find someone who can play in TT to move my chars across, not just ask anyone I trust, as so many cant play there.

And, this never used to happen.

3 ISP's
2 Locations
5+ different computers
2 Operating systems

All of it never have I ever had a problem, until a few months ago.

[amishriot]

Youre wrong mate,

I know a LOT of people with this issue. I actively need to find someone who can play in TT to move my chars across, not just ask anyone I trust, as so many cant play there.

And, this never used to happen.

3 ISP's
2 Locations
5+ different computers
2 Operating systems

All of it never have I ever had a problem, until a few months ago.

so if you group with someone who doesn't have the problem then you are able to move through TT? I just wanna goto seb even if i gota pay someone to hold my hand through TT :P

[Motec]

No, I have a problem no matter what I do.

Any processor affinity, any cpu type, any PC, any laptop, any internet service provider, any type of net provision, any firewall, router or network card.

And I never had this problem a few months ago, and many of my friends and guildies have the same issue.

[Rellapse35]

When I zone into EJ or TT for the first few steps I get major lag fps drops to like 1 but after a few secs in clears up and no problems after

[Motec]

This is happening, Still. Still you guys put your head in the sand about it.

Why the hell do none of you listen?

THIS WAS FINE FOR TWO YEARS AND IS NOW BROKEN. WHAT HAS CHANGED?

Simple.

Ive now tried on 10-12 different computers, old backup copies, new installs, my normal copy of eq.

I've tried on around 10 different internet provisions routing through singapore and australia.

In speaking with some friends in south america, they get EXACTLY THE SAME PROBLEM from Chille.

And the single factor, is that this never used to happen. This makes Sebilis unreachable for me. TT unplayable, totally useless. I have a character stranded there now for the past week. Plane of fear useless too.

If a bard is kiting 50 mobs in OT, or DL I desync and LD. If I try and run through Plane of Fear I desync if anyone has more than 3-4 mobs in tow. But in TT it just happens all on its own.

This doesnt happen in chardok though, with 130 mob pulls I dont lag at all.

Once again, this never used to happen. I would kite 100 mobs in plane of fear myself.
I would do skyfire AE groups and run around with the bard.
I would kite entire zones happily, I could run through TT with 90 people racing for Trakanon before a server restart and not have an issue.


What has changed? I'll donate a further $500 to p1999 so I can play the f**king game if someone can identify and fix this. It's happening for many people all over the southern hemisphere.

[rafaone]

Bump. Happened to me and Group heading to seb this morning ..

[Motec]

Just ridiculous.

Plane of fear too. I used to kite entire zone, now if I zone in I desync.

[Motec]

So instead of finding the people duping plat through SQL queries and some investigation, they ruin the gameplay for hundreds of people not in MERICA.

[Tanthallas]

Just hoping something could be done to help out said handful. Translocator npc that spawns every 30mins at northeast corner of EJ or something, the trip to sebilis is absolutely dreadful since you cant really do anything about it if some frog or ghost aggrod you en route (even if going along zonewalls). The CRs are the pits.

worst

[Motec]

Just tried fresh install, on yet another independent internet and laptop.

Nada. Is fucked. I land in Singapore in 12 hrs and I'll try from there :(

[hurt]

I'm having the same problem.

Just zoned in to do my seb key, I cannot stay logged on for more than 1 minute before I eventually get the black 'YOU HAVE BEEN DISCONNECTED' screen.

Ping starts at about 300 (normal ping for me - Thailand) then jumps to about 3k within 10-30seconds, then skyrockets to about 10,000 followed by DC at some point.

Slightly annoying, wanted to do Seb, and judging by this thread, it looks like it ain't going to happen.

Every other zone is fine, I can afk for hours at a time with no problems or connection issues. It's ONLY Trakanon's Teeth, and it's not a random/spontaneous problem - it happens every single time.

The only upside is that velious is rumored to be coming, so being denied what is considered one of the best parts of kunark can be somewhat nullified by having a new expansion, but until then, it sucks.

[snooppy88]

I'm in singapore, no hope on this, still wish the developers can really really take a look.

[hurt]

Ok, so I went back to TT today after installing WinEQ to see if it made any difference.

Still got an instant 3.6k ping followed by desync and the 10kping LD.

However, it seems if I keep zoning in/out or relogging after being kicked off the server I can sometimes, with some luck, hold a steady 360ms ping - which is a normal ping for me.

I'm now sat in TT with 346ms ping and no spikes, completely playable, it took me an hour of zoning/disconnects, but so long as I don't zone out again, it seems like I am ok.

It's still ridiculous that so many people, and it really isn't a 'small handful' as the devs seem to imply, suffer from this and it hasn't been investigated/fixed.

But at least now I can somewhat get it to work, it means a trip to seb might take 1-3hours, where as it should take 10minutes, but at least it's possible to get there now.

[hurt]

I reinstalled EQ - turned all graphics options either off or on minimum settings - used ethernet as opposed to wireless - 7k ping, can't zone out.

I tried running the computer through a US VPN, no difference (clutching at straws I know).

What information do the devs need to get involved? I'm more than willing to allow remote access to my comp for you guys to take a look and hopefully narrow the problem down. If reproducing the problem is truly the issue.

[Seducio]

Constant Desyncing...

Zoning in and out takes forever. Both soft and hard reboots needed.

Ability to watch mobs move around as others kill them with 100% health showing on my screen despite that they are dieing.

Have experienced nothing like this in the 2+ years I've played.

Also the only zone this is happening to me that I am aware of.

[snooppy88]

i wish they can look into this during the 12hrs server down

[Intrinsic]

Never had any issue in TT until today, nothing's changed /shrug.

[pharmakos]

They are not able thus far to do anything about it. The problem only seems to happen with Oceanic/Asian connections. They cannot replicate it, so it is difficult to address.

that's bogus... happens to me here in Michigan



also -- for me, camping and logging back in is way quicker than rezoning in an attempt to sync up. can still take a few tries, but its less loading time each try.

[hurt]

Been attempting to key up for seb for about 3 weeks now.

Just outright impossible with the current situation of the zone.

If the zone cannot be fixed, can we have an alternate key quest outside of TT?

I'm tired, and I presume many others are also, of not being able to key because the zone is bugged.

I can deal with the numerous logs/dc's to run through the zone, but i can't physically obtain the key cus combat is impossible.

[Diemore]

I too get this issue. Massive ping a few moments after zone in and can't cast spells etc.

I have a theory about this, I notice there seems to be a lot of traffic on zone in to TT as indicated on the ping indicator on the client.

I believe there is a timeout configured on the server that is being reached with people with higher pings. I play from Australia so a 300 ping is pretty average for me.

If a dev can verify if there is any timeouts on data traffic around zone in, or to maintain sync, that maybe a clue.

I had no issues with this zone on live back in the day on dial up & crappy ADSL. I find it hard to believe its any setting with graphics etc that could cause the problem given the level of equipment now if far better than I used back then.

[sapper]

Was hoping the datacenter move would have helped. no luck.

This only happens to me in Trakanon's teeth. I have taken to binding my characters near seb orb and if i am quick manage to zone into seb before i desync.

I'm in Aus and as mentioned by some if you keep persisting it may work (1 hour + attempts is how i got my keys)

Tried 3 different ISP's (networks not just the same wholesaler)
Tried on Win 8 /7 XP/ Ubuntu.
Found an old TT zone files from my 2001 install.
used wineq/eqplaynice to drop fps to 30/60 etc, set cpu affinity
Currently using Titanium install

It certainly sounds like either server side or a core router /firewall issue.
Dev team, is there something we can run/ping trace while connected to help collect more info.
also to note, I re activated my live account after 2 years and zoned in / out with no issue.

Am willing to help troubleshoot if devs cant replicate /pm/email me.

Thanks

[Kashue]

WHAT A JOKE!

I started up on p99 simply because I love sebilis and all its glory.

Now I get to the point where I can finally play there...and NOPE.

sigh

[nilbog]

For those having issues, I might suggest downloading/running WireShark

This.

Someone who has this issue:

-Download Wireshark.
-Before you zone into Trakanon, start packet collecting.
-As soon as desync happens, stop capture.
-Save in wireshark as whatever.pcap

It is important to note the time that it happens so we can investigate.

You can email it to testing.p99@gmail.com

[snooppy88]

Thanks for taking a look, we really need help and appreciate your efforts.

[sapper]

Thanks Nilbog,

Email sent, willing to run any tests you need to help pin point this.

thanks
Sapper

[Zapatos]

As of the last patch, this has started happening to me. I've played since kunark came out without any issue in this zone... but now I de-sync fairly often, anywhere from every few minutes to half an hour.

For my case, I've noticed it's directly linked to my network connection. My office-wifi, where I mainly play, tends to be a little less stable and if I lag even for a moment, I'm de-synced and the game does not try to sync back up. This is the same connection I've used to pull chardok-AE from level 52-60 with no problem.

My home wi-fi on the otherhand rarely lags and I do not have this issue in trakanon's teeth

[Powtle]

I'm pretty sure it's just a connexion quality issue.
I'm European.
For months I've had a ping of 140-160ms with no issue in TT.
Two days ago I had some bad connexion for some reason and my ping was 210-220ms; when I zoned into TT it was a nightmare. I tried to relog six times but it didn't help. A friend had to move my toon.
Now my ping is back to normal (around 150ms) and no more issue in TT.

[Holey]

or how about f1 and spam c on yourself, and if it comes up good then your fine :D

[Kender]

pre server change i'd have to log on and relog on in TT on average between 6-10 times per visit.

Since the server change i've had issues only 2 times in the 4 visits to TT and each of those 2 times i only had to relog only once

so issue is still there, but it's much better than it was for me

[hurt]

I find the opposite to be true.

Before I could sometimes get away with 2 or 3 mins before the 10k ping and desync would arrive. Giving me enough time to either zone out or zone in to seb.

Now it seems the zone desyncs either immediately or within a few seconds.

It's now taking me on average 4-5 relogs to simply log in pick up my idol and click the orb to zone in.

Every time I die i get kicked from my group, and spend 10mins-30mins in LD limbo, for which the group either thinks I've rage quit and abandoned them or gone LD and not returning.

I've noticed more and more people getting the problem, a few people I know who were fine with the zone, all of a sudden cannot use it now also.

[Litharack_Necro]

Desynch is now immediate in my case. As of a month ago I had about a 1 in 5 chance of synching, now there is absolutely no chance, after about 3 seconds latency spikes to 4000+. Sometimes I can run to the orb after 3 attempts, and can log in with enough time to click key on orb. My odds of getting pained soul are approximately nil.

[Litharack_Necro]

It would be great if the pained soul mob could be moved somewhere else, like in dreadlands or EJ. I'm aware this isn't classic but back in the day I could stay synched in TT on dial up, so this desynch isn't classic either.

[wrogue]

A few weeks ago I started visiting Trakanon's Teeth. Movement lagged a great deal when I first zoned in. I could see other players killing frogs at the zoneline but everything quickly ground to a halt with players and frogs not moving, communication also down. I had to relog to fix it. I got my Seb key on that day. Normally each time I zoned into TT a brief moment of lag occured then things return to normal. Things got a little worse when I zoned out of Seb into TT and tried to bandage myself. Everytime I tried to bind wounds I could do nothing further and had to relog or /quit. Using my seb key would also fail to work at that time requiring reloging.

A couple days ago things got even worse. I zoned in from Swamp of no Hope and started my way to Seb along the river, lake edge then aquaduct. While running along the aquaduct my screen went black with the word "Disconnected" in the middle. I let it sit for a while and it automatically went to character select. I logged back in. When I appeared in TT I was high above the trees, no SoW and now nakked. I fell for 600 damage which did not kill me (safe fall). Somehow I had died (while LD I guess) but still entered game in TT even though I was bound in City of Mist. I noticed then that all communication channels were down. I could not see sent tells (although they did get through to the recipient) in tell windows nor receive tells. If I sent an /ooc others would see it in zone but I never saw anyone elses /ooc. I could still use the EJ zoneline but zoning to EJ wouldn't complete required a closing of the client and logging back in. No matter what I tried TT wouldn't let me play. The next morning I got help finding my corpse and got a rez.

The problems continue and I cannot travel through TT without fear of death to do LD while running.

There is one thing strange. I only have severe problems in prime time roughly between 6-9pm eastern. In the morning around 6am eastern no bad problems, just a bit of lag briefly after zoning in.

I have unchecked Texture Caching in Engine Settings and also deleted the file eqfecfg.cfg but the problems persist. I'll see what else I can try and post my results.

Weiner

[sanforce]

I never had this issue until yesterday. Hoping it doesn't continue

[tasien]

I stopped off in this zone for the first time on my way to CoM. After zoning in from Swamp, I immediately started to desync. I logged off (/q, and then close EQ). I tried relogging multiple times, but it didn't fix it. I logged on a toon in Commons, which worked perfectly, and changed all my video settings to be very low. Relogged to my toon stranded in TT, but still had the problem. I couldn't even zone out. In the end, I had to petition from another toon to be moved out of TT.

When the guide helped me move, he suggested I let my toon just sit in TT to see if I would sync up. I zoned in this time from EJ to TT. I had the same problem immediately upon zone in. I let my toon sit there for about 15 minutes while I played another game, and then eventually I heard the character select music. I logged back in, same problem. About 15-20 minutes I hear the music. I did this off and on for a couple hours. I did it again when I woke up the next day, to see if trying at a different time of the day would have an effect. Nope, still can't do anything in the zone.

I do live overseas (in China) like many of the folks in this thread, but using a VPN didn't resolve the issue, so I don't think it's due to that. I'm low enough that Sebilis/VP are not an issue. I would like to do my Shaman quest for Cannabalize 2...but oh well.

Is there anything else I can do to help out with resolving this? Do you need more wireshark information?

[Rheon]

Are other people still experiencing this issue? im playing from Australia and am having severe latency issues with this zone only..:confused:

[Buriedpast]

We have the best wine in the world, and bouncy animals to shoot or run over...but all I want is a zone in elfsim99

[tasien]

This is still happening.

[Heebee]

I'm also experiencing this problem. TT is completely unplayable on a fresh install of Titanium. This never used to happen when I last played over a year ago.

[Heebee]

I see...

[Heebee]

Now dead, can't recover corpse due to desyncing. Excellent!

[Heebee]

System Specs: Core i7-2600K, 16gb Ram, Nvidia GTX580
OS: Windows 7 64bit
Location: Australia
ISP: iiNet

[Derubael]

heebee, send me a tell in game and I'll get your corpse out of TT.

[Buriedpast]

Thanks for helping him out Deru, If he messaged me one more time on facebook threatening to delete EQ, pack up his bbq and ride his kangaroo back home I would of gone mad.

[Derubael]

also,

This.

Someone who has this issue:

-Download Wireshark.
-Before you zone into Trakanon, start packet collecting.
-As soon as desync happens, stop capture.
-Save in wireshark as whatever.pcap

It is important to note the time that it happens so we can investigate.

You can email it to testing.p99@gmail.com

this is our best shot at figuring out why this is happening. No one on staff has this issue, and can't recreate it even when we try, so we can't pinpoint the problem without data from people who do have the issue.

[Buriedpast]

The GM gets it, eunomia or whatever the name is.

So, yes, people on staff get the problem.

Dont know why Rogean hates his own staff, as well as the terrorists and french.

[Heebee]

Thanks for helping him out Deru, If he messaged me one more time on facebook threatening to delete EQ, pack up his bbq and ride his kangaroo back home I would of gone mad.

lol

[Heebee]

Eunomia helped me get my corpse - but also has the issue with desyncing ;)

[Heebee]

I'll grab wireshark and make a pcap - but desyncing occurs pretty much immediately upon zone in, or logging in within the zone.

[nothsa]

I played when Heebee first played, TT worked and were are both Aussies, now fast forward 2 years nothing

[Arteker]

Issue sarted about few time after the epic patch 2 years ago i recall.

[Derubael]

bump for visibility.

[Barahir]

when ever I go into TT I start having all sorts of connection issues (chat doesn't work tracking doesn't work etc) right now I am trying to zone into swamp of no hope and it won't let me and I've camped out and came back in multiple times.

It's been real bad for me most of the time it is after 6pm EST, sometime I will try it during lower server pop to see if it is related to that

[Sarius]

This.

Someone who has this issue:

-Download Wireshark.
-Before you zone into Trakanon, start packet collecting.
-As soon as desync happens, stop capture.
-Save in wireshark as whatever.pcap

It is important to note the time that it happens so we can investigate.

You can email it to testing.p99@gmail.com

[Calabee]

Issue sarted about few time after the epic patch 2 years ago i recall.

it's been there since day 1 of kunark, i have a thread around first week of kunark in march 2011 about tt / ej desynchs

[kaev]

I just some very odd client behavior in TT, first time ever had a problem. Mid-continent U.S. (St. Paul, Minnesota) so can't blame it on Euro or Pacific location.

My client had an odd hitch immediately after entering the zone from Swamp of No Hope. The client continued to claim 100% good packets and 66ms ping, but I couldn't send tells (and didn't receive any, although I was in the middle of a conversation with a friend) and couldn't see any NPCs in the zone. When I ran to the Emerald Jungle zoneline and tried to zone out my client first froze and then got disconnected after a minute or two. Got a 1018 (of course) on trying to log back in...

Ok, logged back, server select shows my char in EJ now. v0v

So, no lag but pretty completely desync'd. Wonder if this is related to the problems the overseas guys are having.

Also, while desync'd in TT I tried foraging and nothing happened. Upon logging back in (in EJ) I find a Mantrap Bud on my cursor, I do not recall that on the forage table in TT. It's a minor thing, but I thought it might shed a little light on the mechanics of the desync.

[tasien]

As of last patch, I no longer have any issues in this zone. Awesome work. :)

[Heebee]

Yep, the issue appears to be rectified. Thank you :)

[Buriedpast]

Rogean/Nilbog,

Some details or explanation of this issue?

It's cost me maybe 20 hours total lost time, at least a few percent xp across many chars, etc. Would love to know what the issue was and an explanation of the fix, as technical or not as you like.

Was it related to zone size?
Could it return with zones like WW, EW in velious?
Did you find any links to ae kiting desyncing? (ive not yet had a chance to go run through a kite to see if i go to 8k ms lag and LD since this fix).
Was the fix related solely to TT, or a broader issue?

[Haynar]

Rogean/Nilbog,

Some details or explanation of this issue?

It's cost me maybe 20 hours total lost time, at least a few percent xp across many chars, etc. Would love to know what the issue was and an explanation of the fix, as technical or not as you like.

Was it related to zone size?
Could it return with zones like WW, EW in velious?
Did you find any links to ae kiting desyncing? (ive not yet had a chance to go run through a kite to see if i go to 8k ms lag and LD since this fix).
Was the fix related solely to TT, or a broader issue?
A lot had to do with zone size and number of spawns that roam. The client was just receiving too much data too fast.

There were also some potential issues with npc animations, that might have contributed to clients ability to keep up.

The fix?

Dont send more data to the client than it needs.

Your ae kiting throws an aspect into it, i didnt think of. Let me know how that goes. I think i can fix that too if there are problems.

H

[Buriedpast]

Thanks Haynar. As a note, if I type your name on iPhone it auto corrects to gay bar.

Anyway,

Kiting has the same effect.

Notable zones = plane of fear, OT, BW, Skyfire, Dreadlands.

If I go in view range of a kite, I desync and can usually zone and after 30s to 5mins I actually start zoning, as do some other people. If a kite runs over me, it's night night usually.

Could you look into if it's a fix that could be extended to these areas?

As a note, I can AE pull in chardok, 135mobs with no problemo and no desync.

[Buriedpast]

Desyncing occuring in plane of hate now.

Could you look in to that being the same possible problem? Occurs when im there at any time after about 30 seconds, textbook identical to traks teeth however wireshark doesnt seem to solve it.

[sapper]

Thanks guys, all looking good now, both at EJ zl and seb zl, was able to stand around for ages.

Sapper.

[Buriedpast]

No one experiencing it in fear/hate too?

Am from Dubai. Both 4g and whatever DSL this hotel has.