Let's not forget that the US is responsible for similar acts of terror.

[Rjones61]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-125820/US-bomb-kills-30-Afghan-wedding.html

I am a United States citizen. I'm not saying the people in the marathon deserved any of what happened. They are not the ones at fault. Violence begets violence.

[Sirken]

yea. because a bomb missing it's target and unintentionally landing on a wedding is the same thing as strategically placing bombs filled with BBs and other shrapnel at key locations in an attempt maximize civilian casualties.


dumbs gonna dumb.

[mwllowyellow2]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-125820/US-bomb-kills-30-Afghan-wedding.html

I am a United States citizen. I'm not saying the people in the marathon deserved any of what happened. They are not the ones at fault. Violence begets violence.

Are you really this fucking stupid? How can you compare the two events that happened, one being an accident, the bomb was supposed to hit a headquarters. While the other was placed to kill innocent people. Please ban this moron.

[Rjones61]

Are you really this fucking stupid? How can you compare the two events that happened, one being an accident, the bomb was supposed to hit a headquarters. While the other was placed to kill innocent people. Please ban this moron.

Ban me for being controversial? Okay. So if a country came out and said, "Sorry, it was an accident" it would be hunky dorey?

[OforOppression]

theres a difference between a stray bullet hitting an innocent and spraying full auto into a crowd of people

[Swish]

Ban him for linking a Daily Mail article, that newspaper has a terrible reputation here :D

[Rjones61]

How about this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF9P5vIzYyE&oref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DLF 9P5vIzYyE&has_verified=1

[feanan]

I hear where you are coming from.

Everything is always ok when the US does it. Want to detain people forever with no charges and no court? No problem. Want to spy on and kill your own citizens? No biggie. Want to send drones into foreign countries where innocents are killed every day? Well, cost of the war on terror.

Feel free to google US drones killing innocents.

But hey, its ok, we're america!

[feanan]

"TBIJ reports that from June 2004 through mid-September 2012, available data indicate that drone strikes killed 2,562 - 3,325 people in Pakistan, of whom 474 - 881 were civilians, including 176 children. TBIJ reports that these strikes also injured an additional 1,228 - 1,362 individuals," according to the Stanford/NYU study.

Based on interviews with witnesses, victims and experts, the report accuses the CIA of "double-striking" a target, moments after the initial hit, thereby killing first responders.

[Sirken]

I hear where you are coming from.

Everything is always ok when the US does it. Want to detain people forever with no charges and no court? No problem. Want to spy on and kill your own citizens? No biggie. Want to send drones into foreign countries where innocents are killed every day? Well, cost of the war on terror.

Feel free to google US drones killing innocents.

But hey, its ok, we're america!

im not saying the US is innocent in all their actions.

im saying the OP's link and story being compared to what happened in boston yesterday is beyond retarded.

[Peatree]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-125820/US-bomb-kills-30-Afghan-wedding.html

I am a United States citizen. I'm not saying the people in the marathon deserved any of what happened. They are not the ones at fault. Violence begets violence.

Just because your a US citizen doesn't mean your not an idiot. Violence does not beget violence. They kill us because we do not believe what they believe.

IMO our (USA) leaders have become so weak that is causing the increase in violence towards us too.

Took two A bombs for Japan to stop the violence. We should drop a few more.

[Stinkum]

We should drop a few more.

I like how it only took about 5 posts into the thread for some fat-head to call for a pre-emptive nuclear strike on another country, thus proving everything OP said about Americans to be 100% right.

[Barkingturtle]

This is going to end up being the work of some middle-aged, white, male libertarian and let's be honest: we don't bomb white people.

[Stinkum]

In times of doubt, consult George Carlin and accept that he was right about everything.

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[Ephirith]

They kill us because we do not believe what they believe.

You really believe this shit? Hurr durr terrorists hate our freedom? They kill us for political reasons, primarily our support for Israel-- a state dedicated to the manhandling of Muslims.

Took two A bombs for Japan to stop the violence. We should drop a few more.

Where should we nuke? Can you find al-Qaeda on a map?

Anyway, Europe and the west have been fighting against Muslim countries pretty much non-stop for over 1,000 years. And we used to lose.... a lot. But not anymore. Now we've won to such an extent that there aren't any Muslim countries left with enough wherewithal to wage a conventional war of any real consequence. So those radical elements who still want to fight the Jihad do it in the only way they can, by killing innocent civilians. What do we do about that? Who the fuck knows!

[Rjones61]

im not saying the US is innocent in all their actions.

im saying the OP's link and story being compared to what happened in boston yesterday is beyond retarded.

Alright, I will accept your point. Although it smells to me like a typical United States PR story, the article does not compare. However, my main point still stands. The United States for a very long time has been committing acts of terrorism. The longer we stay silent to our international crimes, the longer we will feel the repercussions at home.

Since that link does not suffice, here are some others:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF9P5vIzYyE

http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/15/world/asia/u-n-drone-objections

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/11/us-soldier-kills-afghan-civilians

[Ephirith]

acts of terrorism.

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/9399/inigo.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/189/inigo.jpg/)

[Rjones61]

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/9399/inigo.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/189/inigo.jpg/)

Terrorism: The use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

Debatable.

[Barkingturtle]

I think you're using "terrorism" correctly but I think you've got a real flaw in your thinking:

Why do you assume the perpetrator is a foreign terrorist group or state?

Yesterday's bombings seem much more likely to have been carried out by one of us.

[joppykid]

Yeah, the US is the only one that kills innocents. Stupid argument, every country does crazy shit under the radar.

[joppykid]

I think you're using "terrorism" correctly but I think you've got a real flaw in your thinking:

Why do you assume the perpetrator is a foreign terrorist group or state?

Yesterday's bombings seem much more likely to have been carried out by one of us.

I agree. As sad as it may sound, I believe if it was a foreign attack that many more people would have died. This seems like an amateur attack.

[Kagatob]

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/9399/inigo.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/189/inigo.jpg/)

Remember "Shock and awe"?

The only difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter is the former takes their fight to another land's soil. Last I checked the Middle East was not U.S. soil.

I'm starting (ok starting was a while ago) to get sick of this "war on terror" and "fighting for freedom" bullshit that keeps getting spewed around the media and from our politicians. It's a fucking war against our enemies, that's all it is, if you man up and admit it that's all the justification that you need for the bulk of the population to fall in line, anything beyond that is reaching and fear mongering.

[Rjones61]

I think you're using "terrorism" correctly but I think you've got a real flaw in your thinking:

Why do you assume the perpetrator is a foreign terrorist group or state?

Yesterday's bombings seem much more likely to have been carried out by one of us.

Good point. I suppose something I am trying to get across is, in the world bombings with tragic death tolls (30 vs 2) are too common of an occurrence. Unfortunately, Americans are so well insulated from the effects of our "we're bigger than you so if you screw with us we'll just bomb you into oblivion" mentality that we just rush off to war anytime we feel like it. Yesterday was a reminder of the reality that so many people have been living under- sometimes its even because of us. Regardless of where it came from, and as bad as it sounds, I hope this event puts a bad taste in our mouths when we hear the next story of how the United States killed more civilians.

Yeah, the US is the only one that kills innocents. Stupid argument, every country does crazy shit under the radar.

That makes it okay? Name a 1st world country who kills more 3rd world country innocents. STUPID ARGUMENT. gtfo

[Barkingturtle]

Regardless of where it came from, and as bad as it sounds, I hope this event puts a bad taste in our mouths when we hear the next story of how the United States killed more civilians.


Disgusting.

Go get your parents and show them what you're posting so they can ground you.

[Sirken]

I agree. As sad as it may sound, I believe if it was a foreign attack that many more people would have died. This seems like an amateur attack.

yep. as i said in a diff thread, reeks of domestic attack.

[Rjones61]

Disgusting.

Go get your parents and show them what you're posting so they can ground you.

I am an adult, thank you.

I don't mind if you're upset at me. I just hope that you are now willing to stick up for innocent lives, even if they reside internationally.

Don't get me wrong. When we catch the party responsible, I want justice. However, let's do it the right way.

[Barkingturtle]

I am an adult, thank you.

Then act as one and recognize that each tragedy stands on its own and that twisting one massacre to suit the needs or your argument is insidious and obscene.

Do you need your family to die this evening for you to be more empathetic toward the victims of the marathon bombing? Is it gross for me to even suggest it? Are you a full-fledged adult or have you suffered a head injury or some defect at birth, maybe?

[Rjones61]

Then act as one and recognize that each tragedy stands on its own and that twisting one massacre to suit the needs or your argument is insidious and obscene.

Do you need your family to die this evening for you to be more empathetic toward the victims of the marathon bombing? Is it gross for me to even suggest it? Are you a full-fledged adult or have you suffered a head injury or some defect at birth, maybe?

I do empathize for the victims of the Boston massacre. I do want justice for what happened. But I am calling injustice as I see it.

[Barkingturtle]

But I am calling injustice as I see it.

It would mean more if you did it every day, then--and not only when you can exploit the totally unrelated tragedy du jour.

[Rjones61]

As much as you try to separate these issues, they are related. Sorry this upset you. It upset me too. It upsets me that we are still losing American lives to an unjust war (if there is such a thing). It upsets me we've taken so many innocent peoples lives in the process. . I also see the growing violence in our country as a logical conclusion of our foreign policy.

[Stinkum]

I do empathize for the victims of the Boston massacre. I do want justice for what happened. But I am calling injustice as I see it.

I think the point he was trying to make was that there was another way to say what you're trying to. Inclusively, not exclusively.

I feel just as bad for those in Boston as I do the families that were murdered in Afghanistan at a wedding that you linked, but you would win more minds presenting it in a more sensitive way. The focus should be about change, not comparison.

[Barkingturtle]

As much as you try to separate these issues, they are related. Sorry this upset you. It upset me too. It upsets me that we are still losing American lives to an unjust war (if there is such a thing). It upsets me we've taken so many innocent peoples lives in the process. . I also see the growing violence in our country as a logical conclusion of our foreign policy.

They are related in that people died. That is how they are similar. I guess another tenuous similarity would be that some ordinance was detonated to cause the casualties. There is no causal relation--at all.

I think you should seek help. I'm serious. Have you gone off your meds or something? Is it possible there's a gas-leak in your mobile-home?

[Rjones61]

They are related in that people died. That is how they are similar. I guess another tenuous similarity would be that some ordinance was detonated to cause the casualties. There is no causal relation--at all.

I think you should seek help. I'm serious. Have you gone off your meds or something? Is it possible there's a gas-leak in your mobile-home?

Calling someone mental on the internet..... classic. Next.

[Rjones61]

I think the point he was trying to make was that there was another way to say what you're trying to. Inclusively, not exclusively.

I feel just as bad for those in Boston as I do the families that were murdered in Afghanistan at a wedding that you linked, but you would win more minds presenting it in a more sensitive way. The focus should be about change, not comparison.

Thank you. I'll remember this in the inevitable event that I have a discussion about this.

[joppykid]

That makes it okay? Name a 1st world country who kills more 3rd world country innocents. STUPID ARGUMENT. gtfo

Where did I say this is OK? I don't think you're understanding what people are saying to you. One of these attacks was clearly intentional. The bombing of the wedding was not the target of that bomb. No one is saying that makes it OK but they are not the same type of attack.

No sense in arguing with someone as thick-skulled as yourself.

http://rt.com/news/afghanistan-nato-shrike-children-460/
First world countries held hands in this one.

It's not hard to use Google and find articles.

[joppykid]

Calling someone mental on the internet..... classic. Next.

Yeah, cause mentally unstable people don't exist on the internet. lol

[Rjones61]

Where did I say this is OK? I don't think you're understanding what people are saying to you. One of these attacks was clearly intentional. The bombing of the wedding was not the target of that bomb. No one is saying that makes it OK but they are not the same type of attack.




You're right, I should have used a different article. I posted this later into the conversation. However, you belittled what is being done by our country internationally and I called you out.

Alright, I will accept your point. Although it smells to me like a typical United States PR story, the article does not compare. However, my main point still stands. The United States for a very long time has been committing acts of terrorism. The longer we stay silent to our international crimes, the longer we will feel the repercussions at home.

Since that link does not suffice, here are some others:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF9P5vIzYyE

http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/15/world/asia/u-n-drone-objections

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/11/us-soldier-kills-afghan-civilians

[joppykid]

You're right, I should have used a different article. I posted this later into the conversation.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/mar/29/uk-soldiers-disciplined-afghanistan

http://metro.co.uk/2013/03/04/british-soldiers-killed-and-disfigured-iraqi-civilians-3526046/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/onthefrontline/7909740/Afghan-war-logs-British-troops-killed-dozens-of-civilians.html

http://dawn.com/2013/03/26/pm-voices-distress-after-indians-killed-by-french-troops/

But this was America's fault too cause we're so terrible and the rest of the world is good right? lol

Like I said, stupid argument.

[joppykid]

You're right, I should have used a different article. I posted this later into the conversation. However, you belittled what is being done by our country internationally and I called you out.

Called me out? lol

How did I belittle what is being done by our country? I never once said anything you mentioned was false nor happened. All I said was we're not the only ones that kill innocent people. I am not saying this justify's any of these killings but quit being ignorant and thinking we're the only ones who do this shit. Ever think that you hear about what we're doing more often cause you live in America? Would make sense no?

[Barkingturtle]

Rjones61 is a complete and utter sociopath and I don't even feel safe on the same forum with him, to be honest.

[joppykid]

Rjones61 is a complete and utter sociopath and I don't even feel safe on the same forum with him, to be honest.

One can only hope he is a troll

[Rjones61]

Called me out? lol

How did I belittle what is being done by our country? I never once said anything you mentioned was false nor happened. All I said was we're not the only ones that kill innocent people. I am not saying this justify's any of these killings but quit being ignorant and thinking we're the only ones who do this shit. Ever think that you hear about what we're doing more often cause you live in America? Would make sense no?

You're right. I still feel as if our violence surpasses that of other countries, but you are correct. I misinterpreted your opinion and I am sorry.

[Rjones61]

One can only hope he is a troll

Actually according to the title on the left, I am a scrawny gnoll.

[joppykid]

You're right. I still feel as if our violence surpasses that of other countries, but you are correct. I misinterpreted your opinion and I am sorry.

Talk about belittling. I might as well go argue with a fucking brick wall. I'm out.

[joppykid]

Actually according to the title on the left, I am a scrawny gnoll.

Only thing you said worth reading this whole thread.

[Kagatob]

Rjones61 is a complete and utter sociopath and I don't even feel safe on the same forum with him, to be honest.

You'd better hope he isn't. Calling out sociopaths like that is one of the isolating factors that sets them off. Lurn2aspergers.

[Barkingturtle]

Kagatob is a complete and utter sociopath and I don't even feel safe on the same forum with him, to be honest.

[Kagatob]

Kagatob is a complete and utter sociopath and I don't even feel safe on the same forum with him, to be honest.

Wait.

[Rjones61]

Rjones61 is a complete and utter sociopath and I don't even feel safe on the same forum with him, to be honest.

Interesting title: "Sociopath tries to promote world peace by using platform". I feel unsafe already.

[Kagatob]

Interesting title: "Sociopath tries to promote world peace by using platform". I feel unsafe already.

Way to fail at your sociopathology. Real sociopaths promote world peace by wanting to eliminate 1/2, or 3/4 or 9/10 or 100% of the population. Dur.

Then again so do anarchists, but they just make me lol.

[Swish]

Another victory for serious forum debaters everywhere.

I'd be interested to see what the FBI "finds"... bearing in mind the CIA's involvement in covert shit in various places.

[EchoedTruth]

Just because your a US citizen doesn't mean your not an idiot. Violence does not beget violence. They kill us because we do not believe what they believe.

IMO our (USA) leaders have become so weak that is causing the increase in violence towards us too.

Took two A bombs for Japan to stop the violence. We should drop a few more.

You are, an uh....

well...


... idiot. :o


BTW Japan's leaders were discussing how to surrender after the firebombing of Tokyo - Hiroshima and Nagasaki were extreme, and horrific, overkill.

[Daldolma]

the amount of stupid in this thread is mind boggling

[Swish]

the amount of stupid in this thread is mind boggling

...additions like that make me agree.

[Kimm Barely]

http://i.imgur.com/d9FX5g3.jpg

[Kagatob]

http://i.imgur.com/d9FX5g3.jpg

Needs more Kim photoshopped in it.

[Hasbinbad]

you are all dumb.

[MrSparkle001]

you are all dumb.

You are mistaken. Everyone is a well-informed intellectual on the internet.