Non-CSR/ Training

[Vandy]

Originally posted this in Server Chat moving here to try and get the training policy reviewed. If you interpret NON-CSR as training is allowed then ALL the planes are trainable. But this says that GRIEFING(training) isnt allowed.

Kunark Era GM Guide book

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:4jUmfLZ0VsQJ:na_koa.tripod.com/stories/PandP0600.rtf+&cd=10&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

5.6 Customer Service Limited Zones

Some zones in EQ have been designed with extreme rewards and risks. Because of design and tuning issues, Customer Service intervention in these zones is restricted.

5.6.1 List of Customer Service Limited Zones

The Plane of Fear (fearplane)
The Plane of Hate (hateplane)
The Plane of Sky (airplane)
Veeshan's Peak (veeshan)


Velious Era GM Guide book

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:mwa1WUHD2x4J:membres.multimania.fr/nesousxlanonyme/Guide.doc+&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEEShagfmo70G4Hr3AWsFpKz9hdXLtEnHCAv93fSB8 4bCEJWNq-hnaRnApYQCkHRflbQBNkhZtHNtPY9raKH_g6vktUWMPandZ1DE gOgEPM-_mNCNx0DVtsBWTWgw-TSplHi-l1kdR&sig=AHIEtbQg2wE_u2AbJw53D8lcWnuWktzBhg


5.6 Customer Service Limited Zones
Some zones in EQ have been designed with extreme rewards and risks. Because of design and tuning issues, Customer Service intervention in these zones is restricted.

5.6.1 List of Customer Service Limited Zones
Sleeper (sleeper)
Temple of Veeshan (templeveeshan)
The Plane of Fear (fearplane)
The Plane of Growth (growthplane)
The Plane of Hate (hateplane)
The Plane of Mischief (mischiefplane)
The Plane of Sky (airplane)
Veeshan’s Peak (veeshan)

[khanable]

So allow training in the planes, or disallow training in VP

Nice

[heartbrand]

I was a senior guide during the petition era. All this meant was that guides were not allowed to zone in to assist with corpse recovery and bugs, and that all such petitions were escalated to I believe the res color for the server GM. However, GMs certainly were able to intervene in such zones and did.

[Colgate]

heartbrand making up lies to try and convince sirken to save them from lite training them in VP

[heartbrand]

Everything I said is verified by the old manual of you choose to read it. We should also get real old school and follow the guide rules about posting the names of banned players.

[Colgate]

yeah well if you have the old manual then why not post it?

[lite]

The next train is gonnna be sooooo juicy, you guys. Was my first time in VP !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfDZ2h1a06Q

so many more to come.

[heartbrand]

yeah well if you have the old manual then why not post it?

It was posted by the OP?

[-Catherin-]

5.6.2 Acceptable CSRep Presence in Customer Service Limited Zones

The presence of Customer Service Representatives in Customer Service Limited Zones creates two undesired situations. First, players are more likely to ask for assistance in gameplay issues from the CS staff if a CS Rep is in the zone. Second, players are more likely to blame CS Representatives for any inconvenience they may experience if a CS Rep is in the zone. For these reasons mentioned above CS Reps must not be in Customer Service Limited Zones except under the following conditions:
•They are investigating a possible Exception Incident (Abuse, Disruption, or Exploitation) at the request of a player.
•They are investigating a possible bug at the request of a player for documentation purposes.
•They are removing a corpse from an object such as the ground, a wall, a tree, etc. according to Corpse Recovery Procedure (See 7.3 Corpse Recovery)
•They are unsticking a player stuck on the geometry (in an object, in a wall, etc). The player should be moved the minimum amount of distance necessary to unstick them from the geometry.
•They are summoning a corpse from a verified inaccessible area listed in 5.6.2.1 to a position of the player's choice within the zone.
•They are summoning a player from a verified inaccessible area listed in 5.6.2.1 in the Customer Service Limited Zone to a non-PvP area of Arena and then back to either the zone-in point of the Customer Service Limited Zone or to another player of the player's choice in the Customer Service Limited Zone.
•They are following Policy and Procedures concerning an Under the World Case. (See 7.13)

Thanks so much for doing the research and finding this. I knew I didn't remember training in VP for a reason

[Nizzarr]

I wanna train in planes and tov.

Please lets make it this way!

[Colgate]

man if you guys think i read any of this thread other than hb's post u dum as fuk

[Vandy]

I have scoured EQ live guild's archives from April 2000(Kunark) to December 2001(Luclin) and have yet to find any instances of No-CSR allowing the occurrence of player griefing/trains with-in these zones.

If anyone has any evidence to the contrary then please post the information with links here.

[Splorf22]

I was a senior guide during the petition era. All this meant was that guides were not allowed to zone in to assist with corpse recovery and bugs, and that all such petitions were escalated to I believe the res color for the server GM. However, GMs certainly were able to intervene in such zones and did.

100% agree; allowing trains in VP is dumb.

[Vianna]

Bump this needs to be looked at.

[fullmetalcoxman]

How many times do I have to tell you that our No CSR policy is NOT related to live? Is there some sort of brain block going on here?

[Vianna]

He has said other things as well. Such as that could be reevaluated. This thread hopefully can start that reevaluation process. Let's get a truly classic ruleset that doesn't allow for griefing or disrupting people and guilds. Who really wants to stand in the way of that ? You ?

[fullmetalcoxman]

I don't care one way or the other, but it's pretty clear if it's going to be reevaluated it needs to be based on something other than the classic rules. He is aware of the classic rules, and apparently doesn't care.

[Faerie]

IMO training should only be allowed on blue. It's great that Lite is trying to disrupt some Nihilum raids, but if one side is allowed to do it then so are the other bad guys. If anyone else ever tried to raid VP it would be practically impossible with a few Nihilum on to train.

Legitimate pvp is enough; training should only be a blue server thing.

[Sirken]

You seem to think that our "No CSR" rule is related to SOE's "No Guide" Rule (Maybe also called "No CSR"). The live version was a list of zones that guides could not enter due to the possibility that they may unintentionally interfere with the players.

This is not the same. Our "No CSR" Rule was not put in place to mimick live's, it is a separate rule in place for separate reasons. Therefor, your comparison to any relative eqlive policy is invalid.

Disclaimer: This post was made to correct the misconception that the rule was based on an eqlive policy, which is not. I am not posting to say that we would or wouldn't consider removing our "No CSR" policy, which may or may not be up for reconsideration.

[Faerie]

rog quote

Sirken, what were the reasons for the devs making VP a non-CSR training zone? They could maybe have more meaningful discussion if it was spelled out in plain English.

[Sirken]

players not liking, not knowing, or not understanding the reasoning for something does not equate to a bug.