Velious plz

[Geofizzle]

Well, we're 2 1/2 years on since Kunark release on p99 and:

Trak BPs are going for 50k or less on forums, Epic MQs going for peanuts as well, mid level items are completely devalued which leads to most mid-level zones outside of a few choice cash camps being deserted. On the special event content side, we've had a 6+ month break between BoTBs, zero to no GM events (at least of the caliber they used to be when this server was younger and more fresh - scripted and lore-based). Patches are rare, repops are hit or miss and when announced and are done extremely quickly because of the amount of lvl 60 alts. Blue is supposed to be about advancing your character, a process which for most players has hit a wall.

Most frustratingly the players on blue see no content in sight but rather a new PVP? server that a much smaller minority of players actually care about. And whenever anyone politely asks for a timeline or how they can help speed the process up, they're attacked.

EQ isn't all about the gameplay and mechanics. It's nearly infinitely replayable, but if this server is aiming to keep things truly classic, it needs to stick somewhat to classic progression timeline. Obviously there are hurdles for the devs but the length of time elapsed for this new expansion is in essence destroying the true classic-velious progression experience that P99 officially stands for (mostly for longtime players).

Yes, the classic bug fixes are nice, but imo we need velious to spread the raiding end game out, to balance the economy, and and to give longtime players what they've been wanting. And even if we don't get an announcement, I won't be mad, I'll still be playing, and I'll still love you devs. Just a tad disappointed.

[Erati]

cool story bro

[indiscriminate_hater]

in

[Gadwen]

But...what happens when Velious has been out for 3 years...

Suicide?

[webrunner5]

Oh my God. I can see some new Gif's coming from Swish. But I do agree with your post.

[skipdog]

You think the devs don't want to be finished with Velious?

How is a post pleading for a sooner Velious release date going to accomplish a darn thing? How do you think your post can possibly speed up its release?

Be appreciative of your free server and the devs time... don't whine about how they don't do enough.

[citizen1080]

The sooner they get velious out the sooner they can do a reboot with correct timeline and play it themselves =p

[JayN]

Tis reminds me of Real life, FOLLOW THE MONEY

[Ele]

The sooner they get velious out the sooner they can do a reboot with correct timeline and play it themselves =p

can only imagine the cries of favoritism then.

[J. Jones]

so when velious is out for 2.5 years what are you gonna complain about then? luclin?

[mtb tripper]

It'll be here before ya know it

[zanderklocke]

Hey bard epic is not cheap ha.

[Spitty]

Hey bard epic is not cheap ha.

I didn't even know where to begin with his post.

So, I didn't.

[Lammy]

so when velious is out for 2.5 years what are you gonna complain about then? luclin?

I will will complain on behalf of Luclin

[JayN]

lets just skip everything after Velious until pop (no books) /shudder

[webrunner5]

Hey bard epic is not cheap ha.

Hmm, something amiss with Bards on this server. :eek:

[Swish]

http://media0.giphy.com/media/vO8F4fYQd39h6/giphy.gif

OP sounding like a spoilt little girl who has no consideration for the time of volunteers.

Velious gets released when its ready. Nobody wants it rushed and looking like it was done to the standard of the Sleeper server on launch night, guaranteed people would be pissed. Also, epic MQ prices at an all time low? Untrue, but if it was true that would be good for the player base wouldn't it?

Put Velious off for another month from its scheduled launch (whenever that is). If people are foaming at the mouth for it then its "too hot" to be released.

Overall...

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/3695268/stop-whining-o.gif

[Swish]

Most frustratingly the players on blue see no content in sight but rather a new PVP? server that a much smaller minority of players actually care about.

http://static.ylilauta.org/files/3r/orig/1368294970918630.gif/umad.gif

Enjoyed that comment thoroughly. Not just because it was poorly thought through, but jimmies are clearly rustled.

[Geofizzle]

OP sounding like a spoilt little girl who has no consideration for the time of volunteers.

Velious gets released when its ready. Nobody wants it rushed and looking like it was done to the standard of the Sleeper server on launch night, guaranteed people would be pissed. Also, epic MQ prices at an all time low? Untrue, but if it was true that would be good for the player base wouldn't it?

Put Velious off for another month from its scheduled launch (whenever that is). If people are foaming at the mouth for it then its "too hot" to be released.

Overall...

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/3695268/stop-whining-o.gif

Actually, I don't want to see it rushed. Just some info would be nice at this point. Or anything tbh. If you've been playing here from the beginning its pretty obvious that the announcements, patches, special events, and content for p99 blue has gone from fairly common to very rare. That's an indication of the server's health overall imo.

From looking at your responses to other threads, you can't really think concepts like this through very well and resort to memes and name-calling when someone is trying to start a conversation about a legitimate topic that many players are and have been talking about for months.

If I could say anyone's jimmies are rustled, they're definitely yours rofl. You post in every velious thread around and put players down for speaking openly, you sir are most certainly angry. This is a community project, not a dev dictatorship, and I think most would agree with me.

[Swish]

Actually, I don't want to see it rushed. Just some info would be nice at this point. Or anything tbh. If you've been playing here from the beginning its pretty obvious that the announcements, patches, special events, and content for p99 blue has gone from fairly common to very rare. That's an indication of the server's health overall imo.

From looking at your responses to other threads, you can't really think concepts like this through very well and resort to memes and name-calling when someone is trying to start a conversation about a legitimate topic that many players are and have been talking about for months.

If I could say anyone's jimmies are rustled, they're definitely yours rofl. You post in every velious thread around and put players down for speaking openly, you sir are most certainly angry. This is a community project, not a dev dictatorship, and I think most would agree with me.

No memes here, just gifs.

GIF:

http://assets0.ordienetworks.com/images/GifGuide/dancing/1tumblr_lgp6q5NhE21qcjtu8o1_500.gif

Meme:

http://i474.photobucket.com/albums/rr107/Ledzepp_wow/HipsterWoodelf.png

How about some solid evidence that epic MQ prices are linked to the server mood for Velious? I'd like to see that.

Your P99 enjoyment (judging from the OP) clearly stems from making as much plat as possible. Try making an alt, there's still plenty to enjoy. If that sounds too horrible to contemplate, take a break from the server...you sound burnt out. It'll still be here when you get back.

[Geofizzle]

I like that top GIF alot :)

[Colgate]

No memes here, just gifs.

you have no idea what a meme is, do you?

[Barkingturtle]

Your mom is a meme.

[heazels]

this isnt in rants and flames yet?

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Yes, the classic bug fixes are nice, but imo we need velious to spread the raiding end game out, to balance the economy, and and to give longtime players what they've been wanting.

Don't forget the sparkly unicorns. We all get sparkly unicorns when Velious finally arrives.

Outside of simply wanting it, I am amused that people think Velious will change a damn thing.

Here's a news flash Walter Cronkite: it won't

[Swish]

you have no idea what a meme is, do you?

An Internet meme may take the form of an image, hyperlink, video, picture, website, or hashtag. It may be just a word or phrase, including an intentional misspelling. These small movements tend to spread from person to person via social networks, blogs, direct email, or news sources.

I deal in gifs, Professor Colgate. If you want to also attach the "meme" tag to them then carry on.

Thread successfully derailed in any case :D

Here's a picture...err, meme..

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=382&d=1214037416

[heazels]

Just remember, Jesus loves you, even if you post derailment threads.

[Tikku82]

Dude. Eeryone will love the new TEAM pvp server. I dont see any reason why it would not be super popular. Fresh server + team based pvp = epic win.

I just hope blue server dont totally die when it comes.

[heazels]

end game is too crowded on this server, not even velious can fix that.

[Godefroi]

The pathing coding for velious has been lost in a test server mishap.

Hence the delay :(

[Nuggie]

that would suck Gode

[webrunner5]

Dude. Eeryone will love the new TEAM pvp server. I dont see any reason why it would not be super popular. Fresh server + team based pvp = epic win.

I just hope blue server dont totally die when it comes.

Oh yah, blue will be a ghost town. I can't wait until it comes out. Insert "Sticks spoon down throat to vomit" :eek:

[Swish]

People will continue to shit on the PvP players, but teams will bring more potential players over.

No need to hate, its something arguably more exciting than Velious itself. There, I said it.

[Champion_Standing]

I didn't even know where to begin with his post.

So, I didn't.

But you did.

[Tecmos Deception]

People will continue to shit on the PvP players, but teams will bring more potential players over.

No need to hate, its something arguably more exciting than Velious itself. There, I said it.

omg the devs are doing pvp instead of velious wtf!!!!!!!!!

[Aviann]

omg the devs are doing pvp instead of velious wtf!!!!!!!!!

They have to appeal to the 90 asshats instead of the 900 asshats.. Is pretty depressing.. But again, velious takes work, although I expect it soon, it will take some work to finish.

Have faith

[indiscriminate_hater]

i'm planning on rolling teams pvp when it comes out. gnome warrior all the way. got hard mode?

[Stinkum]

The development teams that work on Velious vs. PvP server are completely separate.

Because one is being worked on does not mean the other is being neglected as a result. Stop being idiots.

[Alecta]

The development teams that work on Velious vs. PvP server are completely separate.

Because one is being worked on does not mean the other is being neglected as a result. Stop being idiots.

Truth. I joined just to work on PvP, had (and still have) no access to Velious development.

[Vidar]

Dude. Eeryone will love the new TEAM pvp server. I dont see any reason why it would not be super popular. Fresh server + team based pvp = epic win.

I just hope blue server dont totally die when it comes.

You are an idiot and have not played many games on pvp servers... Just wait and see. The new pvp server will be crap just like the old one. Yes it will have a surge of players for a while, but when its all said and done the VAST majority of players will be on blue. Its a waste of time and effort. And the 'team aspect of it will be meaningless after the beginning surge. Piss and moan all the want, but mark my words. Its going to be crap.

[Vidar]

The development teams that work on Velious vs. PvP server are completely separate.

Because one is being worked on does not mean the other is being neglected as a result. Stop being idiots.

How bout we focus all the efforts on what EVERYONE wants? red or blue we all want velious. a new pvp server can wait.

[Swish]

You are an idiot and have not played many games on pvp servers... Just wait and see. The new pvp server will be crap just like the old one. Yes it will have a surge of players for a while, but when its all said and done the VAST majority of players will be on blue. Its a waste of time and effort. And the 'team aspect of it will be meaningless after the beginning surge. Piss and moan all the want, but mark my words. Its going to be crap.

WTF? Did you not read the last page? Development of PvP Teams has no effect on the development of Velious...so the "waste of time and effort" has no impact on you whatsoever.

500pp says you roll a character there on opening night out of curiosity.

[webrunner5]

Truth. I joined just to work on PvP, had (and still have) no access to Velious development.

I am afraid the Velious development team seems to be Nilbog. :rolleyes:

[Swish]

Dear Swish,
Riding the dick of the P99 devs is not a full time job. Please stop devoting 12 hour days on the forums to it. Take a shower.
Love,
Mom

I have a full time job thanks, and you won't see me on the forums at work. But I do find entertainment in the mania surrounding Velious, and how people get mad if there's a lack of an update or fixed release date.

Sorry to have rustled your jimmies. Try going outside if you find yourself getting mad at the forum content.

Swish

[Vidar]

WTF? Did you not read the last page? Development of PvP Teams has no effect on the development of Velious...so the "waste of time and effort" has no impact on you whatsoever.

500pp says you roll a character there on opening night out of curiosity.

Oh i read it. So what im getting is that there are people working on p99 stuff and its not velious? I dont give a damn who they are or what they are working on. PUT ALL AVAILABLE MAN POWER ON VELIOUS! To hell with the pvp server. We have one...it sucks...the new one will too...

Also, just because a ton of people log on the new pvp server in the first month doesnt mean its a success. Six months into the new server it will be crap. Of course people are going to play it initially. But after the 'Yay, a new toy' feeling wears off people are going to leave and it will be just like the old pvp server. And how you people think the team aspect of the new server is going to make it different from the old is beyond me. Just think about it...it will be basically the same as the old pvp server with people playing different races...thats all. Will it be slightly different? Yes. Will it crap? Yes. The problems people have with the old server people will have with the new server.

Mark my words.

And Swish ill be starting a thread with your name on it six months after the new pvp server comes out to rub your nose in how poorly the new server has done.

[Swish]

Oh i read it. So what im getting is that there are people working on p99 stuff and its not velious? I dont give a damn who they are or what they are working on. PUT ALL AVAILABLE MAN POWER ON VELIOUS! To hell with the pvp server. We have one...it sucks...the new one will too...

Also, just because a ton of people log on the new pvp server in the first month doesnt mean its a success. Six months into the new server it will be crap. Of course people are going to play it initially. But after the 'Yay, a new toy' feeling wears off people are going to leave and it will be just like the old pvp server. And how you people think the team aspect of the new server is going to make it different from the old is beyond me. Just think about it...it will be basically the same as the old pvp server with people playing different races...thats all. Will it be slightly different? Yes. Will it crap? Yes. The problems people have with the old server people will have with the new server.

Mark my words.

And Swish ill be starting a thread with your name on it six months after the new pvp server comes out to rub your nose in how poorly the new server has done.

lol, I look forward to it...and while we're using our psychic powers, I'll say that it'll be people from red waking the Sleeper on blue ;)

[indiscriminate_hater]

I dont give a damn who they are or what they are working on. PUT ALL AVAILABLE MAN POWER ON VELIOUS! To hell with the pvp server. We have one...it sucks...the new one will too...


i'm willing to bet they don't give a damn who you are or what you're posting about. has it occurred to you that the maybe people working on the pvp server aren't qualified to work on velious?

[Vidar]

lol, I look forward to it...and while we're using our psychic powers, I'll say that it'll be people from red waking the Sleeper on blue ;)

No psychic powers needed. Teams aspect will not change whats wrong with the old pvp server. If you think it will I would like to hear how/why.

[Vidar]

i'm willing to bet they don't give a damn who you are or what you're posting about. has it occurred to you that the maybe people working on the pvp server aren't qualified to work on velious?

Make them qualified.

[indiscriminate_hater]

Teams aspect will not change whats wrong with the old pvp server. If you think it will I would like to hear how/why.

if you think it won't i would like to hear why.

also, it's not just about the teams. it's a chance to start a new pvp server (hopefully) free of the major bugs and exploits that people were saying plagued the r99 server early on -- problems which, by many accounts, are largely responsible for the current low population.

[Tecmos Deception]

The development teams that work on Velious vs. PvP server are completely separate.

Because one is being worked on does not mean the other is being neglected as a result. Stop being idiots.

Oh come on :rolleyes:

Swish, can you believe that I apparently trolled people?

[NegaStoat]

I still don't understand the point of a new Teams pvp server when it was announced that it would run along side of the existing red server for 8-10 months, then the server populations would be merged into a single server. I'm talking about the Livestream weeks back explaining their goals - I'm unaware if that plan was reconsidered.

If it hasn't been (haven't heard any word that it was), what is the fucking point of rolling on a fresh server if it's doomed to be merged with the cesspool situation of the existing red server?

[Splorf22]

Development of PvP Teams has no effect on the development of Velious.

I mean, they can say that but I'm not going to believe it. Projects just don't work that way.

[fadetree]

I personally think EQ PvP sucks, too. I mean, teams may be better but its like saying fresh buttcheese is 'better' than old buttcheese.

But moanin and groanin about Velious is not going to do anything except start..well..threads like this I guess.

[indiscriminate_hater]

i've always had fun with pvp in eq. and yes, of course its imbalanced and the mechanics are lousy and its mostly impractical.

i think the point you guys are missing is that this isn't about what you or even the majority of the players want. it's about what the developers want to do. the former may have some influence on the latter, but even if it does, do you think threads like this, full of terrible arguments and entitled demands, will sway their decisions?

[fadetree]

Well, this thread isn't about actually getting the developers to change their minds, its about COMPLAININATING, so there.

[Vidar]

PVP in Everquest is horrible. It does not matter if it is in a teams environment or not. This game was designed for PvE. The PVP is complete shit and nothing will ever change that.

This guy is on the right track. I love eq but the pvp is not so great. That is why the pvp server didnt do so hot. Blame it on the bugs or glitches all you want.

You know how on blue there are a few top guild running the show. When that happens on a pvp server it ruins it. One group of players will choose Whatever team, Level up fast as hell. They will already have a raid group ready for when they are high enough to raid. At that point they will raid and get better gear than 90% of the population. And since they are power players they out lvl 90% of the population. So now they are the among the few. Best geared and highest lvls with a pvp group at the ready to raid defend what they want. Anyone who wants to compete will HAVE to have this. Most people will not have this. SO at this point this group of 'I live on this game" people will run the show. After they have leveled up they will start leveling alts to raid lower level zones. I assume the level cap on pvp will be in effect. So you gear out a group of 35's and raid the lower level places with them etc etc you see where all this is going. The new server will be run by these types of people.

Edit: just because this group of power players all have to choose races that are on the same team doesnt changed much. Eventually they will have maxed toons on all teams so they can kill/raid who/what/when they want.

[Llodd]

Oh i read it. So what im getting is that there are people working on p99 stuff and its not velious? I dont give a damn who they are or what they are working on. PUT ALL AVAILABLE MAN POWER ON VELIOUS! To hell with the pvp server. We have one...it sucks...the new one will too....

I say take all existing man power out of velious and have classic/kunark fixed to as near as perfection as possible. And then fix pvp. After that then maybe work on velious. Yeah, that's what should happen.

Velious can wait. No rush.

[Atmas]

Usually I see these Velious posts and expect to read them and get nauseated at how pretentious and entitled people come across. This post had some of that with harping about a PvP server. However, one decent point is the balance of the classic aspect versus the delay of Velious. At some point, probably already reached, delaying Velious until it is 100% classic is less classic than releasing it in a less than perfect state. The problem we have today is too high a percentage crammed into the same end content. It makes a bigger impact than removing minor features like make leader. Also releasing Velious doesn't mean fixes have to stop.

Regardless of when Velious comes though, my thanks to the Devs for providing this experience.

[webrunner5]

if you think it won't i would like to hear why.

also, it's not just about the teams. it's a chance to start a new pvp server (hopefully) free of the major bugs and exploits that people were saying plagued the r99 server early on -- problems which, by many accounts, are largely responsible for the current low population.

Yeah instead of one person griefing you and calling you a ***** 50 times it will be the whole team griefing you and calling you a ***** 500 times. Sounds great. Where do I sign up??

[Stinkum]

Nilbog (and kanras?) spend about 90% of their time developing Velious. A completely separate team is working on PvP development and don't even have access to the Velious database. Working on the PvP server is not a zero-sum game where the other gets ignored as a result.

If you're feeling antsy, it's good to remember that this is a free, private emulated server run by unpaid volunteers.. It is their sandbox, and they'll allocate resources how they choose. They certainly don't owe an answer to you or me, nor do they owe you the coddling that some of you feel so extremely entitled to. Not sure where that shitty attitude comes from, but some of you need to go open up those windows and go outside and take a few deep breaths, because you're casting a terrible impression of the overall community, who are grateful.

[Alecta]

I mean, they can say that but I'm not going to believe it. Projects just don't work that way.

Would it help if a blue name said it? Any PvP work has 0 impact on Velious development.

I applied to the staff with the sole stated intention of fixing PvP bugs. I don't even have access to the content databases and I am 100% OK with that. If there were no PvP issues to work on, I would stop working.

I guess some people feel entitled to tell the staff what to do with their free time, but the fact remains that this is volunteer work done for the enjoyment of those doing the work.

[Vidar]

i've always had fun with pvp in eq. and yes, of course its imbalanced and the mechanics are lousy and its mostly impractical.

i think the point you guys are missing is that this isn't about what you or even the majority of the players want. it's about what the developers want to do. the former may have some influence on the latter, but even if it does, do you think threads like this, full of terrible arguments and entitled demands, will sway their decisions?

I'm not posting to try and sway their decisions.

When someone gets it in their head to do something, most of the time you cant change their mind. even if what they are doing is dumb. They have to find that out for themselves.

I'm posting to all the people on this forum who think this new server is going to be worth a crap. The only people who think it ill be any good have no idea and id bet have not played many pvp games.

Now, if you are just excited because its 'New' fine, But thinking it will be worth a damn is just dumb.

[indiscriminate_hater]

from what i gather here, most people are worried that players who have a lot more time to play than them will dominate on the new red server.

these same people are in favor of a more rapid release of velious on blue, where players who have a lot more time to play than them will dominate.

cool

[indiscriminate_hater]

I'm not posting to try and sway their decisions.

...

I'm posting to all the people on this forum who think this new server is going to be worth a crap.

well gee, thanks for the public service announcement. i'm sure you will save everyone's time by convincing them to not check out a brand new server when it launches. truly the hero we need.

[webrunner5]

This new server is just going to be a bigger flop than Red is now. It is a TEAM server. Which means a commitment. Good luck with that happening week after week. A lot of people on here are bored shitless now. Sure a few will go and play on it but I bet a hell of a lot won't last a month.

So this just seems like a lot of wasted time that could be put to better use in Dev resources. But it is their sandbox and they can shit in it anywhere they like I guess.

[Stinkum]

This new server is just going to be a bigger flop than Red is now. It is a TEAM server. Which means a commitment. Good luck with that happening week after week. A lot of people on here are bored shitless now. Sure a few will go and play on it but I bet a hell of a lot won't last a month.

So this just seems like a lot of wasted time that could be put to better use in Dev resources.

Dude, it's pretty simple. No resources are being used to develop the PvP server at the expense of Veilous, as has been explained to you. If you don't like EQ PvP, then don't play on the server. Or make your own free, private Everquest server and code it from the ground up, where you can make the call about whether or not a PvP server is a good idea.. And when you do, I wish you the best of luck in dealing with extremely negative, entitled children like yourself who feel free to call all the shots from their computer chairs as to what unpaid volunteers should or should not be doing.

[Swish]

No resources are being used to develop the PvP server at the expense of Velious...

No resources are being used to develop the PvP server at the expense of Velious...

No resources are being used to develop the PvP server at the expense of Velious...

No resources are being used to develop the PvP server at the expense of Velious...

No resources are being used to develop the PvP server at the expense of Velious...

Everyone read that now?

No resources are being used to develop the PvP server at the expense of Velious...

[Sirken]

Would it help if a blue name said it? Any PvP work has 0 impact on Velious development.

^^

one has nothing to do with the other.

[Vidar]

I say take all existing man power out of velious and have classic/kunark fixed to as near as perfection as possible. And then fix pvp. After that then maybe work on velious. Yeah, that's what should happen.

Velious can wait. No rush.

"fix pvp" <<< please explain

[Vidar]

Everyone read that now?
Lulz

Any resource they have that isn't used on Velious is wasted by not using it on Velious. Got that now?

[Alarti0001]

Lulz

Any resource they have that isn't used on Velious is wasted by not using it on Velious. Got that now?

Only if the resources are capable of working on velious or had an interest to. These are unpaid volunteers.

[Stinkum]

Lulz

Any resource they have that isn't used on Velious is wasted by not using it on Velious. Got that now?

Your level of stupidity is truly baffling.

[Vidar]

Your level of stupidity is truly baffling.

Its actually very simple. Its baffling that you don't get it. Don't be a sheep.

[myriverse]

Lulz

Any resource they have that isn't used on Velious is wasted by not using it on Velious. Got that now?
You're assuming that resource would be available for anything else. These are volunteers, donating their time for a specific purpose.

It's like people volunteering to bring cups and plates for a party. Don't expect them to bring drinks or food. They're just bringing cups and plates. There's no chance of them bringing drinks or food.

[Wotsirb401]

If you are tired of Kunark after 2.5 years then take a break and go workout outside or try out somethign else. Guarantee when you come back Trak will still be socked and there will be no room in a sky rotation. I found that I enjoy the server and game much more when I log on when I'm feeling like playing and not just logging on cause I have to.
Everyone is right though. If Velious gets released and on opening night is crashing and buggy as hell, I bet 100% of you will blame GM's/ Devs and will be demanding for free loot and rezzes from something that you play for free!

[Vidar]

You're assuming that resource would be available for anything else. These are volunteers, donating their time for a specific purpose.

It's like people volunteering to bring cups and plates for a party. Don't expect them to bring drinks or food. They're just bringing cups and plates. There's no chance of them bringing drinks or food.

If you think that's how it is then you are a fool. At some level no matter how small it is taking away from velious.

And as far as people not bringing food or drinks. Dont come if you dont want to bring food. its that simple. Going to the devs and saying you will only work on a new pvp server should be met with a 'Thanks but no thanks. We are focusing on Velious." One of the higher ups has to over see the new pvp server which takes away from his time spent of velious. Which takes away from velious. Period.

If the devs have 10 people at their disposal and had all of them working on Velious then one day one of the higher ups decides to get some more volunteers so he can start a new project. Well, that one higher up is taken away from Velious for whatever amount of time it took to get that started. And if you are going to go look for volunteers for something...it should be for Velious. Nothing else.

Am i being an ass about this? Yes. Im just simply saying that when the devs say that the new pvp server doent affect Velious it isnt quite true. It does on some level.

Personally i dont care when Velious comes out. Im just pointing out the fact that things arent quite as they seem.

[Derubael]

I guess some people feel entitled to tell the staff what to do with their free time, but the fact remains that this is volunteer work done for the enjoyment of those doing the work.
this
Only if the resources are capable of working on velious or had an interest to. These are unpaid volunteers.
and this.


Its actually very simple. Its baffling that you don't get it. Don't be a sheep.

apparently i dont get it either.

[thugcruncher]

But...what happens when Velious has been out for 3 years...

Suicide.

fixed

[Spitty]

If you think that's how it is then you are a fool.

It's unbelievable that you live in a world where you think people will take you seriously given the content of what you're posting. You have no qualifying skills that give you the ability to armchair-manage a collection of dead newts, let alone talented programmers and developers.

The likely holdup with Velious is the tedious grunt-work done at the line level by those with programming talent. Those who oversee the project, those with administrative talent, literally can't do anything of value for Velious until tasks at that level are completed.

So, say Administrator A is waiting on a list of ten tasks from his developers before he goes in, does some validation and signs off on the work done. This administrator can do ANYTHING ON THE FUCKING PLANET that he wants without impeding on the best-case progress with Velious. He could go get shitfaced in Vegas, or look into a team PVP server. It doesn't matter. His time doesn't come into play until those ten tasks are completed, at which point a good administrator would validate the work and identify the next set of deliverables.

Plus, are you seriously suggesting he turn away a volunteer programmer that expresses interest in a team PVP environment just because there's another project at hand? What if this developer gets two weeks into team PVP and decides hey, Velious sounds more fun? You're the kind of person that might be able to recognize talent, but have absolutely no idea what to do with it. If you worked for my company and I found out you turned down a goldmine of programming ability simply because they didn't initially express interest on working on your pet project, I would fire your ass so hard you wouldn't find a job in a related sector for decades.

Story short, you want Velious but have no idea how to get it. That doesn't give you any right to boss around those who do know how to get Velious up and running. I've done workforce management for large companies under the directive that Project B needs to be completed but can, in no way, impede on Project A. There's no "things aren't what they seem" in this scenario - if hours aren't adding up and projects aren't moving according to cycle and deadline constraints, people (me) get fired and companies lose huge contracts.

It would help if you'd realize that your level of intellect isn't a concrete ceiling for human intelligence, and people find plenty of creative and executable ways to manage multiple projects congruently. Instead, you seem to be assuming that your worldview is the end-all of "How Things Are" and not only does that totally fuck up your own chances for personal progress and positive change, but makes you dead weight to any situation requiring creative solutions to achieve success.

[Alarti0001]

If you think that's how it is then you are a fool. At some level no matter how small it is taking away from velious.

And as far as people not bringing food or drinks. Dont come if you dont want to bring food. its that simple. Going to the devs and saying you will only work on a new pvp server should be met with a 'Thanks but no thanks. We are focusing on Velious." One of the higher ups has to over see the new pvp server which takes away from his time spent of velious. Which takes away from velious. Period.

If the devs have 10 people at their disposal and had all of them working on Velious then one day one of the higher ups decides to get some more volunteers so he can start a new project. Well, that one higher up is taken away from Velious for whatever amount of time it took to get that started. And if you are going to go look for volunteers for something...it should be for Velious. Nothing else.

Am i being an ass about this? Yes. Im just simply saying that when the devs say that the new pvp server doent affect Velious it isnt quite true. It does on some level.

Personally i dont care when Velious comes out. Im just pointing out the fact that things arent quite as they seem.

You demonstrate a clear lack of understanding about the current staff status and definable lack of knowledge about what the pvp staff is actually "devving" what skills they have that they might use on velious... if they had the desire.

[Alecta]

The World According To Vidar
http://i.imgur.com/UoJ5oP7.png

Disclaimer: Velious was delayed by the creation of this image.

[Spitty]

So much delayed.

[Vidar]

It's unbelievable that you live in a world where you think people will take you seriously given the content of what you're posting. You have no qualifying skills that give you the ability to armchair-manage a collection of dead newts, let alone talented programmers and developers.

The likely holdup with Velious is the tedious grunt-work done at the line level by those with programming talent. Those who oversee the project, those with administrative talent, literally can't do anything of value for Velious until tasks at that level are completed.

So, say Administrator A is waiting on a list of ten tasks from his developers before he goes in, does some validation and signs off on the work done. This administrator can do ANYTHING ON THE FUCKING PLANET that he wants without impeding on the best-case progress with Velious. He could go get shitfaced in Vegas, or look into a team PVP server. It doesn't matter. His time doesn't come into play until those ten tasks are completed, at which point a good administrator would validate the work and identify the next set of deliverables.

Plus, are you seriously suggesting he turn away a volunteer programmer that expresses interest in a team PVP environment just because there's another project at hand? What if this developer gets two weeks into team PVP and decides hey, Velious sounds more fun? You're the kind of person that might be able to recognize talent, but have absolutely no idea what to do with it. If you worked for my company and I found out you turned down a goldmine of programming ability simply because they didn't initially express interest on working on your pet project, I would fire your ass so hard you wouldn't find a job in a related sector for decades.

Story short, you want Velious but have no idea how to get it. That doesn't give you any right to boss around those who do know how to get Velious up and running. I've done workforce management for large companies under the directive that Project B needs to be completed but can, in no way, impede on Project A. There's no "things aren't what they seem" in this scenario - if hours aren't adding up and projects aren't moving according to cycle and deadline constraints, people (me) get fired and companies lose huge contracts.

It would help if you'd realize that your level of intellect isn't a concrete ceiling for human intelligence, and people find plenty of creative and executable ways to manage multiple projects congruently. Instead, you seem to be assuming that your worldview is the end-all of "How Things Are" and not only does that totally fuck up your own chances for personal progress and positive change, but makes you dead weight to any situation requiring creative solutions to achieve success.

You are missing my point. Admin A 'Could' actively look for more programmers for the Velious Project instead of turning his attention to a pvp server or getting shitfaced in vegas or ANYWHERE else. I am not saying he should. Im just saying that it is something that he could do if said Admin chose to that would eventually, no matter how little, move the Velious project forward. Am i saying this is the BEST way to do things all around? No. I'm just saying the statement that new red doesn't take away from velious isn't true. It will even if a tad.

And, it seems i need to point this out, again. I haven't said that the devs SHOULD do anything.

Now if we get on the topic of whether New red should or shouldnt be ... thats a different story.

[Vidar]

The World According To Vidar
http://i.imgur.com/UoJ5oP7.png

Disclaimer: Velious was delayed by the creation of this image.

lol

[Spitty]

You are missing my point.

I don't think I am. You would be very hard-pressed to convince me, in this situation, that the recruitment example you gave is a viable option.

Where would he solicit unpaid labor from? Would that labor be valuable, or detrimental to the project? How much time would the existing dev pool need to spend to get the new talent up to speed and on board with how the code and Velious progression is structured? Furthermore, does the image of Project 1999 as a whole suffer if the administrator of the project itself is posting on fanboards, enthusiast forums, etc. trying to solicit free help? What is the risk involved of bringing on a batch of new programmers that may or may not have the project's best intentions in mind? What good are four new programmers when one of them irreversibly wrecks the code in order to promote their own emu server?

This is just 30 seconds of brainstorming on why outbound recruiting options simply don't work for this kind of situation. It's a bit like high-end raiding; the best guilds get there because talent approaches them for membership, not because they're spamming EC looking for bodies.

[indiscriminate_hater]

If you think that's how it is then you are a fool. At some level no matter how small it is taking away from velious.

And as far as people not bringing food or drinks. Dont come if you dont want to bring food. its that simple. Going to the devs and saying you will only work on a new pvp server should be met with a 'Thanks but no thanks. We are focusing on Velious." One of the higher ups has to over see the new pvp server which takes away from his time spent of velious. Which takes away from velious. Period.

If the devs have 10 people at their disposal and had all of them working on Velious then one day one of the higher ups decides to get some more volunteers so he can start a new project. Well, that one higher up is taken away from Velious for whatever amount of time it took to get that started. And if you are going to go look for volunteers for something...it should be for Velious. Nothing else.

Am i being an ass about this? Yes.




And, it seems i need to point this out, again. I haven't said that the devs SHOULD do anything.


got credibility?

[Vidar]

I don't think I am. You would be very hard-pressed to convince me, in this situation, that the recruitment example you gave is a viable option.

Where would he solicit unpaid labor from? Would that labor be valuable, or detrimental to the project? How much time would the existing dev pool need to spend to get the new talent up to speed and on board with how the code and Velious progression is structured? Furthermore, does the image of Project 1999 as a whole suffer if the administrator of the project itself is posting on fanboards, enthusiast forums, etc. trying to solicit free help? What is the risk involved of bringing on a batch of new programmers that may or may not have the project's best intentions in mind? What good are four new programmers when one of them irreversibly wrecks the code in order to promote their own emu server?

This is just 30 seconds of brainstorming on why outbound recruiting options simply don't work for this kind of situation. It's a bit like high-end raiding; the best guilds get there because talent approaches them for membership, not because they're spamming EC looking for bodies.

They already have volunteers. Tell them they can work on New Red after they work on Velious a bit or after its done. Will they all go for it? No, but some will. And would it be a risk letting in new people...yes, but it is a possibility. Where there is a will there is a way.

[webrunner5]

This thread proves how F'ed up P1999 has become. Both game wise and forum wise. I will probably get banned for saying it but what the hell. It is the truth. :D

[Frieza_Prexus]

outbound recruiting options simply don't work for this kind of situation. not because they're spamming EC looking for bodies.

But that's how Toop recruited devs for The Sleeper server, and he's doing alrigh.....wait a second...

[planeofdreams]

This thread proves how F'ed up P1999 has become. Both game wise and forum wise.

You just have to approach p1999 anthropologically. If you can keep your scientific objectivity then trolls become fascinating expressions of the human condition.

You can't pay for this kind of entertainment. ;)

[Clark]

But that's how Toop recruited devs for The Sleeper server, and he's doing alrigh.....wait a second...

LOL

[Sirken]

edit

[Godefroi]

How Sirken can remain calm with some people regarding the number of hours he invests helping them and the way they behave with the staff is a mystery to me.

Either way I've heard that the pathing codes for velious were lost on Alovia's test server this summer...

If this is true, damn, that's really fucking unfortunate :(

[webrunner5]

You just have to approach p1999 anthropologically. If you can keep your scientific objectivity then trolls become fascinating expressions of the human condition.

You can't pay for this kind of entertainment. ;)

Yeah you have a good point. Shits and giggles for everyone. :p

[coki]

The next thing to complain about will be TMO getting their primals/masks then finally killing the 4th warder to waken the sleeper, and its gonna happen...wonder how long it will take though

[Fael]

But I want a gnome mask for my 4th rogue alt.

Dolic

[myriverse]

If you think that's how it is then you are a fool. At some level no matter how small it is taking away from velious.
If you think it is any other way, you're nuts.

And as far as people not bringing food or drinks. Dont come if you dont want to bring food. its that simple.
But then what are you going to eat the food on? No one's bringing plates.

Going to the devs and saying you will only work on a new pvp server should be met with a 'Thanks but no thanks. We are focusing on Velious." One of the higher ups has to over see the new pvp server which takes away from his time spent of velious. Which takes away from velious. Period.
In that situation, guess what happens? Velious progresses at the same pace and PVP doesn't get done. Nothing is solved.

Personally i dont care when Velious comes out. Im just pointing out the fact that things arent quite as they seem.
They are not as the seem... to you.

[nndiro]

It's unbelievable that you live in a world where you think people will take you seriously given the content of what you're posting. You have no qualifying skills that give you the ability to armchair-manage a collection of dead newts, let alone talented programmers and developers.

The likely holdup with Velious is the tedious grunt-work done at the line level by those with programming talent. Those who oversee the project, those with administrative talent, literally can't do anything of value for Velious until tasks at that level are completed.

So, say Administrator A is waiting on a list of ten tasks from his developers before he goes in, does some validation and signs off on the work done. This administrator can do ANYTHING ON THE FUCKING PLANET that he wants without impeding on the best-case progress with Velious. He could go get shitfaced in Vegas, or look into a team PVP server. It doesn't matter. His time doesn't come into play until those ten tasks are completed, at which point a good administrator would validate the work and identify the next set of deliverables.

Plus, are you seriously suggesting he turn away a volunteer programmer that expresses interest in a team PVP environment just because there's another project at hand? What if this developer gets two weeks into team PVP and decides hey, Velious sounds more fun? You're the kind of person that might be able to recognize talent, but have absolutely no idea what to do with it. If you worked for my company and I found out you turned down a goldmine of programming ability simply because they didn't initially express interest on working on your pet project, I would fire your ass so hard you wouldn't find a job in a related sector for decades.

Story short, you want Velious but have no idea how to get it. That doesn't give you any right to boss around those who do know how to get Velious up and running. I've done workforce management for large companies under the directive that Project B needs to be completed but can, in no way, impede on Project A. There's no "things aren't what they seem" in this scenario - if hours aren't adding up and projects aren't moving according to cycle and deadline constraints, people (me) get fired and companies lose huge contracts.

It would help if you'd realize that your level of intellect isn't a concrete ceiling for human intelligence, and people find plenty of creative and executable ways to manage multiple projects congruently. Instead, you seem to be assuming that your worldview is the end-all of "How Things Are" and not only does that totally fuck up your own chances for personal progress and positive change, but makes you dead weight to any situation requiring creative solutions to achieve success.
this guy is my new hero.
saying that putting all the "manpower" you have to the release of velium will accelerate its release is like saying having more men engaging in intercourse with a woman will accelerate her climax. you better just have the right ammount of ppl with the right ammount of knowledge to do shit right.
to quote a tv character "more does not equal merry".
that being said, just be thankfull someone gave you the chance to transport you back to in time with this great project. don't be an ungrateful cunt, no one likes those. and if you don't like it... just leave. no one's holding you, jack.
lots of love from Argentina.

[Thulack]

this guy is my new hero.
saying that putting all the "manpower" you have to the release of velium will accelerate its release is like saying having more men engaging in intercourse with a woman will accelerate her climax. you better just have the right ammount of ppl with the right ammount of knowledge to do shit right.
to quote a tv character "more does not equal merry".
that being said, just be thankfull someone gave you the chance to transport you back to in time with this great project. don't be an ungrateful cunt, no one likes those. and if you don't like it... just leave. no one's holding you, jack.
lots of love from Argentina.

Sheldon :)

[Stinkum]

I wonder if people like Vidar are this negative and entitled in real life too.

I can just imagine him showing up at someone else's potluck that he didn't contribute to and then yelling furiously at the host because the people bringing in free pizza didn't choose the toppings based around solely HIS tastes: "This is FUCKING BULLSHIT! I DON'T LIKE MUSHROOMS and FUCK YOU and all these unpaid volunteers who spent their own time and money bringing me this free, delicious food!"

I bet that guy has a shitload of friends.

[Muzyn]

I personally think EQ PvP sucks, too. I mean, teams may be better but its like saying fresh buttcheese is 'better' than old buttcheese.

But moanin and groanin about Velious is not going to do anything except start..well..threads like this I guess.

This, and only this. EQ PVP is so bad it's pointless. Nothing in this game is balanced for PVP. People don't start on PVP servers because of PVP, they do it because of the excitement of a fresh EQ server.

And developers can be shifted to the Vellious team, if this were a company, it would've been out of business year one. Not to mention sharing cpu/disk iops/bandwidth with some shitty PVP servers. It lessens the blue experience.. and in the end, someone needs to pay for it.

[SamwiseRed]

Velious boring, we need pop

[Spitty]

Oh my jesus-banging christ.

This isn't a fucking company. These people aren't being paid salaries and haven't signed paperwork stating they may be called upon to perform duties outside of their defined scope. There's no benefits, there's no PTO and there sure as shit isn't any impetus for the administration to start bossing around people who are donating their goddamn time.

People are throwing the Velious team directly under the fucking bus because a couple other people NOT RELATED TO VELIOUS AT ALL enjoy coding for PvP.

[Vidar]

If you think it is any other way, you're nuts.


But then what are you going to eat the food on? No one's bringing plates.


In that situation, guess what happens? Velious progresses at the same pace and PVP doesn't get done. Nothing is solved.


They are not as the seem... to you.

you are just an idiot. I'm not going to take the time to correct you on all the points that you're wrong on. please try and use your brain.

[Vidar]

this guy is my new hero.
saying that putting all the "manpower" you have to the release of velium will accelerate its release is like saying having more men engaging in intercourse with a woman will accelerate her climax. you better just have the right ammount of ppl with the right ammount of knowledge to do shit right.
to quote a tv character "more does not equal merry".
that being said, just be thankfull someone gave you the chance to transport you back to in time with this great project. don't be an ungrateful cunt, no one likes those. and if you don't like it... just leave. no one's holding you, jack.
lots of love from Argentina.

No complaining here. just pointing out a fact. Sorry if you don't like it.

[Vidar]

I wonder if people like Vidar are this negative and entitled in real life too.

I can just imagine him showing up at someone else's potluck that he didn't contribute to and then yelling furiously at the host because the people bringing in free pizza didn't choose the toppings based around solely HIS tastes: "This is FUCKING BULLSHIT! I DON'T LIKE MUSHROOMS and FUCK YOU and all these unpaid volunteers who spent their own time and money bringing me this free, delicious food!"

I bet that guy has a shitload of friends.

You have completely missed the point.

[Vohl]

I'm pretty much inclined to take the devs at their word, but in case that's not enough, there's always this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythical_man_month

(Better yet, pick up and read the book itself. There can never be too many senior software engineers or project managers who know this sort of stuff.)

[nndiro]

No complaining here. just pointing out a fact. Sorry if you don't like it.

and there has been at least a dozen ppl, including the staff members themselves pointing out the fact that your assumptions are incorrect. Furthermore, there has been people trying to point out why you should rethink what you consider facts, as you will be a happier chap when you finally understand no human resources are being misplaced here.
trying to still validate a very well refuted point here is portraying you as a bad person, when maybe all you wanted was to speak your mind, and i'm all in favor of a person doing so, if not, what would be the point of a forum? this is not a blog, right? just, try to be a bit more opened minded.
as for me, i've already said everything i needed to say here. Just wanted to let you know is not that i don't like what you "point out", i was just trying (as many other ppl) to help you point in the right direction so you don't come across as a whinny, stubborn, angry and selfish human being.
this is a great project, that takes along a bunch of ppl that was feeling blue because that they though was a great experience in their lives was now just a memory. being able to relive all this, because of the unpaid effort of a group of guys, it's just awesome. we should all pitch in however we can. and i don't think complaining and second guessing them is ever the right way to go. just that. not that they, or any grown up for that matter, should feel bad for whatever they read in the internet about themselves (this includes you, and again, do not take this as a personal attack, rather more of a friendly way of trying to get you to see the grass is greener than how you see it. and if not, we could keep on the discussion for as long as velium comes... but, do know that arguing with someone over the internet it's like playing in the special olympics... even if you win, your still retarded.)
no point in turning this into a big ass argument. just log on and enjoy the game, jack.
lots of love, y'all

[Spitty]

I'm pretty much inclined to take the devs at their word, but in case that's not enough, there's always this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythical_man_month

(Better yet, pick up and read the book itself. There can never be too many senior software engineers or project managers who know this sort of stuff.)

Absolutely this.

Who trains the trainees?

[nndiro]

and i've just realized i left my grammar at home. sorry about that ppl

[Sirken]

If you think that's how it is then you are a fool. At some level no matter how small it is taking away from velious.
And as far as people not bringing food or drinks. Dont come if you dont want to bring food. its that simple. Going to the devs and saying you will only work on a new pvp server should be met with a 'Thanks but no thanks. We are focusing on Velious." One of the higher ups has to over see the new pvp server which takes away from his time spent of velious. Which takes away from velious. Period.
If the devs have 10 people at their disposal and had all of them working on Velious then one day one of the higher ups decides to get some more volunteers so he can start a new project. Well, that one higher up is taken away from Velious for whatever amount of time it took to get that started. And if you are going to go look for volunteers for something...it should be for Velious. Nothing else.
Am i being an ass about this? Yes. Im just simply saying that when the devs say that the new pvp server doent affect Velious it isnt quite true. It does on some level.
Personally i dont care when Velious comes out. Im just pointing out the fact that things arent quite as they seem.

You are missing my point. Admin A 'Could' actively look for more programmers for the Velious Project instead of turning his attention to a pvp server or getting shitfaced in vegas or ANYWHERE else. I am not saying he should. Im just saying that it is something that he could do if said Admin chose to that would eventually, no matter how little, move the Velious project forward. Am i saying this is the BEST way to do things all around? No. I'm just saying the statement that new red doesn't take away from velious isn't true. It will even if a tad.
And, it seems i need to point this out, again. I haven't said that the devs SHOULD do anything.
Now if we get on the topic of whether New red should or shouldnt be ... thats a different story.

They already have volunteers. Tell them they can work on New Red after they work on Velious a bit or after its done. Will they all go for it? No, but some will. And would it be a risk letting in new people...yes, but it is a possibility. Where there is a will there is a way.

holy shit you're about as dumb as a bag of rocks. ANYBODY in the community has an open invitation to assist with velious. please read these linked threads for more info

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=76729&highlight=velious
http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=109286&highlight=velious
http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=73048&highlight=velious


as far as the pvp development, Nilbog has said countless times that it has zero impact on Velious. If you are too dense to grasp that concept, i'm not sure what else i can tell you. the pvp devs are here to work on pvp because they volunteered to work on pvp, if they wanted to work on velious they could, but they do not. we are not their bosses, they are not our employees, so as volunteers they work on the things that they have volunteered to work on,and the things that they have the knowledge to work on. on top of that, to my knowledge they dont even have access to velious stuff, so it's not possible within our physical universe for them to even do work on velious.

bottom line, if you don't like the way we do things, you know where the door is. we know it's impossible to please everyone in a community this large, but i think we do a damned good job pleasing the majority the of the community.

now, please find a different topic to spread misinformation about.

<3
Sirken

thread over. Sirken wins.