Best one sentence summation of how I feel, ever.

[Hasbinbad]

“Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.”
―Denis Diderot

[Hailto]

How long has it been since you've been to a worship service HBB?

[Hasbinbad]

How long has it been since you've been to a worship service HBB?
Do funerals and memorials count?

[Lron]

How long has it been since you've been to a worship service HBB?

This is a valid question. I would also like to know what denomination you are.

[Hailto]

Do funerals and memorials count?

no

[Hasbinbad]

I believe in flying spaghetti monsterism.

[K|mm Barely]

http://i.imgur.com/DrB9kWD.jpg

[Hasbinbad]

no
I was in 4th grade when i told my catholic school principle that he was a fucking scumbag to his face, which was true, and caused my dad to burst out in giggles in the office.

Haven't been to a mass or a non-death related service since.

Oh wait.. does AA/NA count?

[Hasbinbad]

oh i guess marriages might count too?

[quido]

You're such a revolutionary.

[Hasbinbad]

http://i.imgur.com/DrB9kWD.jpg
The problem with quotations on the internet is that they can be hard to verify.

[Hailto]

Nah marriage wouldn't count. I'm not sure about AA/NA I don't really know how closely related they are to religious services. You're doin better than me though, been about 10 years for me.

[Orruar]

http://i.imgur.com/DrB9kWD.jpg

That's so deep.

[Hasbinbad]

You're such a revolutionary.
You're such a normal human being.

[pharmakos]

“Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.”
―Denis Diderot

"To fight the Empire is to be infected by its derangement. This is a paradox; whoever defeats a segment of the Empire becomes the Empire; it proliferates like a virus, imposing its form on its enemies. Thereby it becomes its enemies."

-VALIS, Philip K Dick

[Lune]

+1 for being anti-religion
-1 for being HBB

[runlvlzero]

Hasbinbad will never be free until he stops obsessing over things outside of his control.

-runlvlzero

[Daldolma]

quotes from french political philosophers would be more intriguing if france hadn't sucked at everything other than cheese and wine for the last thousand years

give me a quote from a french vintner and i might be interested

[pharmakos]

"Within the bottle’s depths, the wine’s soul sang one night."
~Charles Baudelaire
"I do not drink more than a sponge."
~Francois Rabelais

"Never did a great man hate good wine."
~Francois Rabelais

"Wine is the divine juice of September."
~ Voltaire

"Wine is the intellectual part of a meal, meats are merely the material part."
~ Alexandre Dumas

"Diogenes was asked what wine he liked best, and he answered as I would have done when he said, "Somebody else's."
~ Montaigne

[hatelore]

Hasbinbad will never be free until he stops obsessing over things outside of his control.

-runlvlzero

I agree with the famous philosopher Runlvlzero_01 .

[Daldolma]

"Within the bottle’s depths, the wine’s soul sang one night."
~Charles Baudelaire

changed my mind

[Sidelle]

I was in 4th grade when i told my catholic school principle that he was a fucking scumbag to his face, which was true, and caused my dad to burst out in giggles in the office.

Haven't been to a mass or a non-death related service since.

Oh wait.. does AA/NA count?
Kind of a rookie parent mistake to allow an 8 yr old child to disrespect an adult and giggle about it in front of him to encourage disrespect, imo. Were you an only child, or eldest? Just wondering. The fact that he was a religious authority figure doesn't matter to me btw. Sincerely curious about this. I have to admit it is a rather fine line to walk as a parent to teach a child basic respect as well as being a free thinker.

[Lron]

Sidelle = Master Parent

[Sidelle]

Just trying my best. Parenting is hard. Was asking the context of his situation because that definitely matters.

[Lron]

Sidelle do you think you and i will ever have kids?

[Sidelle]

Would never advocate telling a child to just do what any adult says. They need to know how to protect themselves against pedos, for instance. Anyway. Goin to bed. Tired and feel like shit today.

[Lron]

Maybe you are pregnant and thats why you feel bad.

We are gonna have a baby lron. =)

[Hailto]

Lron i hate to be the one to tell you this....but you're gay pal, you're living a delusion.

[Stinkum]

http://apathyfactory.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/1202_10151403005166800_556376486_n.jpg

[orsk]

“Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.”
―Denis Diderot

Show us what you are doing for the cause you so freely spew here.

[Recycled Children]

I believe in flying spaghetti monsterism.

Pastafarian.

[Maddox]

“Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.”
― Ralph Waldo Emerson

Also,
Sidelle nailed it again. HBB confirmed bad childhood w/ shitty parents.

[Hasbinbad]

Parents were divorcing, principle cracked a rly asshole joke about it, i called him on it, and was right, and the dude was being a dick. you can say whatever you want, still one of my proudest moments, and one defining point where i realized that pretty much everyone is full of shit in life.

[Systolic]

HBB

If you are really this angry then I suggest you stop whining about things on the internet and start actually trying to find some answers out in the real world.

They are there, you just have to know where to look. All of these great injustices about which you speak have sources, and the source isn't the internet. The webz are the greatest distraction ever created.

[myriverse]

Parents were divorcing, principle cracked a rly asshole joke about it, i called him on it, and was right, and the dude was being a dick. you can say whatever you want, still one of my proudest moments, and one defining point where i realized that pretty much everyone is full of shit in life.
"Fucking scumbag" was more respect than deserved, then. I only wish I had the courage to act similarly when I was 10-ish.

[myriverse]

Show us what you are doing for the cause you so freely spew here.
That burden is not his.

[pharmakos]

"It is perfectly obvious that the whole world is going to hell. The only possible chance that it might not is that we do not attempt to prevent it from doing so."

-- J. Robert Oppenheimer

[Champion_Standing]

"I love comic books and I love anime."
-Samuel L. Jackson

[DrKvothe]

"When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things."
1 Corinthians 13:11

There is no God, just as there is no Santa, Easter Bunny, or Tooth Fairy.

[Champion_Standing]

"When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things."
1 Corinthians 13:11

There is no God, just as there is no Santa, Easter Bunny, or Tooth Fairy.

Go fuck yourself, Santa is real.

[DrKvothe]

Go fuck yourself, Santa is real.

lol

[pharmakos]

"When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things."
1 Corinthians 13:11

There is no God, just as there is no Santa, Easter Bunny, or Tooth Fairy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4knA3WPMJw

I speak in many tongues to many men;
Argue with angels and I always win,
But I don't know the first thing about love.

I prophesy and know all mysteries;
All hidden things are opened up to me
But I don't know the first thing about love

I have the keys to open any door;
I give all of my possessions to the poor,
But I don't know the first thing about love

And moving mountains ain't nothing to me;
I've faith enough to cast them to the sea,
But I don't know the first thing about love

But all other things shall fade away;
While love stands alone and still holds sway
All other things shall fade away;
Into the ground into the grey.

I give my body up unto the flames;
And never once have I denied your name
But I don't know the first thing about love.

[DrKvothe]

Christians dismiss 9999 religions as false. Atheists just add one more to that list.

Jesus's story is a blatant ripoff of a previous (but obviously untrue, right?) Persian god: http://cobourgatheist.com/index.php/eastern-religions/ancient-religions/1579-worship-of-mithra

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? -Epicurus (341-271 BC)

[Champion_Standing]

"You can cry, ain't no shame in it."
-Will Smith

[pharmakos]

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? -Epicurus (341-271 BC)

the GMs have the power to prevent any death in Sebilis. but the game would be boring as fuck then.

[DrKvothe]

the GMs have the power to prevent any death in Sebilis. but the game would be boring as fuck then.

I stand corrected. God must exist.


Shit.

[pharmakos]

i'm not sure the GMs exist tho

lots of people waiting for IP exemptions

[Sidelle]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4knA3WPMJw

I speak in many tongues to many men;
Argue with angels and I always win,
But I don't know the first thing about love.

I prophesy and know all mysteries;
All hidden things are opened up to me
But I don't know the first thing about love

I have the keys to open any door;
I give all of my possessions to the poor,
But I don't know the first thing about love

And moving mountains ain't nothing to me;
I've faith enough to cast them to the sea,
But I don't know the first thing about love

But all other things shall fade away;
While love stands alone and still holds sway
All other things shall fade away;
Into the ground into the grey.

I give my body up unto the flames;
And never once have I denied your name
But I don't know the first thing about love.
I like this.

[runlvlzero]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4knA3WPMJw

I speak in many tongues to many men;
Argue with angels and I always win,
But I don't know the first thing about love.

I prophesy and know all mysteries;
All hidden things are opened up to me
But I don't know the first thing about love

I have the keys to open any door;
I give all of my possessions to the poor,
But I don't know the first thing about love

And moving mountains ain't nothing to me;
I've faith enough to cast them to the sea,
But I don't know the first thing about love

But all other things shall fade away;
While love stands alone and still holds sway
All other things shall fade away;
Into the ground into the grey.

I give my body up unto the flames;
And never once have I denied your name
But I don't know the first thing about love.

TLDR

[Sidelle]

TLDR
If it was about chix with dix you would read. Lol

[Champion_Standing]

Girl
I can't understand it why you want to hurt me
After all the things I've done for you.
I buy you champagne and roses and diamonds on your finger -
Diamonds on your finger -
Still you hang out all night
what am I to do?

My girl wants to party all the time

Party all the time
party all the time.
My girl wants to party all the time
party all the time.

She parties all the time - party all the time

She likes to party all the time - party all the time

party all the time - she likes to party all the time

party all the time.

Girl
I've seen you in clubs just hanging out and dancing.
You give your number to every man you see.
You never come home at night because you're out romancing.
I wish you bring some of your love home to me.

But my girl wants to party all the time
. . .
My girl wants to party all the time
. . .

Party
party
party she likes to party all the time.
She likes to party all the time -
She lets her hair down
she lets her body down:
She lets her body
she lets her body down.
Party all the time - do you wanna get any party
yeah.
Party all the time - party all the time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDbpzjbXUZI

[Sidelle]

Girl
I can't understand it why you want to hurt me
After all the things I've done for you.
I buy you champagne and roses and diamonds on your finger -
Diamonds on your finger -
Still you hang out all night
what am I to do?

My girl wants to party all the time

Party all the time
party all the time.
My girl wants to party all the time
party all the time.

She parties all the time - party all the time

She likes to party all the time - party all the time

party all the time - she likes to party all the time

party all the time.

Girl
I've seen you in clubs just hanging out and dancing.
You give your number to every man you see.
You never come home at night because you're out romancing.
I wish you bring some of your love home to me.

But my girl wants to party all the time
. . .
My girl wants to party all the time
. . .

Party
party
party she likes to party all the time.
She likes to party all the time -
She lets her hair down
she lets her body down:
She lets her body
she lets her body down.
Party all the time - do you wanna get any party
yeah.
Party all the time - party all the time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDbpzjbXUZI
I wonder who told Eddie he could sing...

[Hasbinbad]

someone say eddie?

http://i.imgur.com/9z2I4jC.jpg?1

[Champion_Standing]

I wonder who told Eddie he could sing...

I love how the video is just people standing around trying to convince the viewer that it's a good song.

[Ahldagor]

someone say eddie?

http://i.imgur.com/9z2I4jC.jpg?1

i raise you

http://www.punkvinyl.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/emperor.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0UTakGijuk
if you haven't listened to 'em

[Hasbinbad]

dude are you seriously putting some shitty nu metal band up against fucking iron maiden?

[Hasbinbad]

everything you could ever say from here on out for the rest of your days is now tainted and suspect.

fool.

[Recycled Children]

dude are you seriously putting some shitty nu metal band up against fucking iron maiden?

Whoooooaaaa... did you just call Emperor nu metal?

[pharmakos]

Whoooooaaaa... did you just call Emperor nu metal?

hahahahahahahaha

[Kagatob]

.

They're letting you post from the hospital?

[Hasbinbad]

they sound like slipknot bro

[FoxxHound]

I want to have sex with Sidelle.
-Most P99 Men

[Hasbinbad]

I want to have sex with Sidelle.
-Most P99 Men
Quality post from a quality poster.

[Lron]

This thread is embarrassing.

HBB last post- 800 views

The Server legend's last post - over 5000 views

[FoxxHound]

dude are you seriously putting some shitty nu metal band up against fucking iron maiden?

I love Iron Maiden, but in my book Megadeth > Iron Maiden.

[Hailto]

Gonna be drinkin with some attractive underage girls tonite, yall should kill yourselves.

[Hailto]

Under 21 that is, legal to fuk.

[Kagatob]

legal to fuk.

Yeah, in Haiti.

[Champion_Standing]

Under 21 that is, legal to fuk.

Fail

[Hailto]

Lmao

[Hailto]

Naw, they are 20 for real though which is a bit too young for my taste, im gettin old i guess.

[Champion_Standing]

Naw, they are 20 for real though which is a bit too young for my taste, im gettin old i guess.

Tell them that you are morally opposed to buying them alcohol and you have more important things to do with your guild.

[Hailto]

Tell them that you are morally opposed to buying them alcohol and you have more important things to do with your guild.

I don't even have a guild, don't have time for that.

[Recycled Children]

they sound like slipknot bro

Well unless Slipknot has recently taken a dramatic turn I just don't agree with this.

[pharmakos]

I love Iron Maiden, but in my book Megadeth > Iron Maiden.

depends which albums we're talking about imo

the good Megadeth albums are really good (i.e. Rust In Peace), and are better than any Iron Maiden album.

but the bad Megadeth albums are really bad (i.e. The World Needs A Hero), and are worse than any Iron Maiden album.

[Ahldagor]

dude are you seriously putting some shitty nu metal band up against fucking iron maiden?

http://memecrunch.com/meme/4U6Y/get-that-weak-shit/image.png

[Ahldagor]

some nice guys i met once
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doPP0z_8CWA

[Hasbinbad]

motorhead > megadeth

[Illuzionz]

Kind of amusing how people who hate the church think that God doesn't exist because of some douche bag priests even though the Bible clearly states to beware of false prophets and that you will know whether they are doing God's work by their actions. If they are molesting little boys and doing other shady evil type shit, odds are they are false prophets. God warned about this and yet he gets the blame.

I don't see how it's possible you can think that God doesn't exist. Finite things can't just make themselves. Everything that has a beginning, has to have a creator. The Universe had a beginning, therefor it and everything in it has a creator. This should be basic 1st grade level logic.

[pharmakos]

what are the odds that consciousness would arise within a purely deterministic universe?

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

http://i.imgur.com/DrB9kWD.jpg

Diderot was one of the "philosophe's" of French enlightenment, but it was more a term of art than an actual description. Diderot was actually more of a cultural critic and plain old scholar, than a philosopher.

just sayin

[Ahldagor]

motorhead > megadeth

this is true

[DrKvothe]

I don't see how it's possible you can think that God doesn't exist. Finite things can't just make themselves. Everything that has a beginning, has to have a creator. The Universe had a beginning, therefor it and everything in it has a creator. This should be basic 1st grade level logic.

The cosmological argument does not necessitate a god. It simply requires a First Cause. The big bang theory provides a First Cause, because in the absence of any form of dimensionality, the concept of something happening "before" is meaningless. Before time exists, causality can't exist.

God is always exempt from having a prior cause because he's not 'finite'. But the universe need not be finite either: perhaps the 'birth' of our universe rose from the 'death' of a previous, possibly identical universe. If such a cycle were infinite, it would be exempt from requiring a prior cause just like God.

What would it take to convince you that the claims of any one of the other thousands of religions that have existed or will exist is actually true? You would require PROOF. Does your own religion truly meet that burden of proof?

[pharmakos]

hell i'm barely even sure i exist

[Illuzionz]

The cosmological argument does not necessitate a god. It simply requires a First Cause. The big bang theory provides a First Cause, because in the absence of any form of dimensionality, the concept of something happening "before" is meaningless. Before time exists, causality can't exist.

God is always exempt from having a prior cause because he's not 'finite'. But the universe need not be finite either: perhaps the 'birth' of our universe rose from the 'death' of a previous, possibly identical universe. If such a cycle were infinite, it would be exempt from requiring a prior cause just like God.

What would it take to convince you that the claims of any one of the other thousands of religions that have existed or will exist is actually true? You would require PROOF. Does your own religion truly meet that burden of proof?

Of course it necessitates a God. Only consciousness can create things. The big bang itself can't be the cause. Someone would have to trigger it just like a gun won't ever fire if nobody is there to pull it's trigger. Consciousness is the only possible logical cause for existence. Even if you were to suggest the cycle of the big bang were infinite, the first one would still had to have been caused by a conscious being.

Also, it doesn't matter how many religions there have been, there is still only one true God. The "gods" of ancient times aren't the same as God as they to are the children of the same one true God. All of the so called "gods" are the fallen angels and the Nephilim offspring they produced, they weren't actually made up characters but beings that actually existed and walked the Earth. However, Jesus proved his father is the one true God when he was raised from the dead as well as a plethora of other miracles.

Aside from the Bible there is also plenty of scientific proof that God exists the best of which is the discovery of DNA. Only a conscious being of unimaginable intelligence could create something such as DNA which is really just an ultra complex biomechanical computer capable of creating living organisms. It's written in a specific chemical language with it's own alphabet. At some point someone would have had to define this alphabet as inanimate matter is incapable of doing so.

You wouldn't go to some ancient temple, see a bunch of hieroglyph's and think "hmm cool natural formation!". No, it's obvious that someone created it. The only difference between those hieroglyph's and DNA is that DNA is much smaller and harder to see and far more advanced.

[pharmakos]

i do have faith that god exists, but none of that^ is proof

i can offer no conclusive proof, only intuition.

[Champion_Standing]

what are the odds that consciousness would arise within a purely deterministic universe?

100%

[pharmakos]

it was a rhetorical question -- no one knows for sure.

[God]

Hey, I exist you fuckers.

[DrKvothe]

Of course it necessitates a God. Only consciousness can create things. The big bang itself can't be the cause. Someone would have to trigger it just like a gun won't ever fire if nobody is there to pull it's trigger. Consciousness is the only possible logical cause for existence. Even if you were to suggest the cycle of the big bang were infinite, the first one would still had to have been caused by a conscious being.

Also, it doesn't matter how many religions there have been, there is still only one true God. The "gods" of ancient times aren't the same as God as they to are the children of the same one true God. All of the so called "gods" are the fallen angels and the Nephilim offspring they produced, they weren't actually made up characters but beings that actually existed and walked the Earth. However, Jesus proved his father is the one true God when he was raised from the dead as well as a plethora of other miracles.

Aside from the Bible there is also plenty of scientific proof that God exists the best of which is the discovery of DNA. Only a conscious being of unimaginable intelligence could create something such as DNA which is really just an ultra complex biomechanical computer capable of creating living organisms. It's written in a specific chemical language with it's own alphabet. At some point someone would have had to define this alphabet as inanimate matter is incapable of doing so.

You wouldn't go to some ancient temple, see a bunch of hieroglyph's and think "hmm cool natural formation!". No, it's obvious that someone created it. The only difference between those hieroglyph's and DNA is that DNA is much smaller and harder to see and far more advanced.

I already answered the physics things. Time is not linear, and before time there can be no causality, so requiring something something to have set off the big bang makes no sense.

Neither the bible nor DNA are evidence that God exists. If God wrote or inspired the writing of the bible, why is it so damn wrong or awful at nearly every page? Why is the bible's most important character a blatant ripoff of a preceding pagan god? Why does it blatantly encourage rape, slavery, prejudice, and genocide? You don't have to cherry-pick verses to make the bible sound flat out evil, but you have to ignore large sections to make it seem good.

And DNA isn't just some hieroglyphic text to be admired. It evolves! Evidence of the power of evolution is abundant: within written history we've bread milk cows capable of producing 10,000 L per year, all the various breeds of dogs are descendents of wolves, corn was domesticated from 3 inch long ears of maize, brewing yeast tolerate alcohol concentrations near 20%, fruits and vegetables are larger and more uniformly and brightly colored than they were centuries ago. These are the purposeful and deliberate products of human intervention on evolution. Over a couple billion years it is absolutely feasible that simple molecular self-regulators led to the first lifeforms.

[DrKvothe]

"bread milk cows"

I need coffee.

[Champion_Standing]

Everyone knows that ancient astronaut theory is the most plausible origin of the human species.

http://static.allmystery.de/upics/19cb52_ancient-aliens.jpg

[Illuzionz]

I already answered the physics things. Time is not linear, and before time there can be no causality, so requiring something something to have set off the big bang makes no sense.

Time is linear though so you're already wrong about that. How can the big bang have set itself off? How can a gun fire itself? It cannot.

Neither the bible nor DNA are evidence that God exists. If God wrote or inspired the writing of the bible, why is it so damn wrong or awful at nearly every page? Why is the bible's most important character a blatant ripoff of a preceding pagan god? Why does it blatantly encourage rape, slavery, prejudice, and genocide? You don't have to cherry-pick verses to make the bible sound flat out evil, but you have to ignore large sections to make it seem good.

The Bible isn't wrong about anything, you're simply misinformed or misinterpreting what you're reading. Jesus is not a rip off of any preceding pagan god, again, more misinformation/misinterpretation. The Bible does not in anyway shape or form encourage rape, slavery, prejudice or genocide. Again, you simply have poor reading comprehension if this is what you believe. Not sure what else to tell you but having read the Bible I can assure you that you are 100% wrong beyond all doubt.

And DNA isn't just some hieroglyphic text to be admired. It evolves! Evidence of the power of evolution is abundant: within written history we've bread milk cows capable of producing 10,000 L per year, all the various breeds of dogs are descendents of wolves, corn was domesticated from 3 inch long ears of maize, brewing yeast tolerate alcohol concentrations near 20%, fruits and vegetables are larger and more uniformly and brightly colored than they were centuries ago. These are the purposeful and deliberate products of human intervention on evolution. Over a couple billion years it is absolutely feasible that simple molecular self-regulators led to the first lifeforms.

Micro evolution occurs but macro evolution does not. The law of biogenesis clearly states that all life forms can only produce after their own kind and cell theory states that all cells must come from pre-existing cells. Well at one point no cells existed and cells can't come from anything other than a cell of it's own kind. This means the creation of the first cells and life forms cannot have occurred through natural means. It's scientifically impossible.

Selective breeding does not prove evolution. Sure there's lots of different dogs but guess what, they're still dogs. They came from dogs before them and will only ever produce more dogs after them. You will never see a dog produce anything other than another dog. Adding billions of years to an equation does not make impossible things occur. A billion years from now, 1+1 will still equal 2 just like in a billion years from now, dogs will be virtually identical to the dogs of today. There might be more variations/breeds but they'll still be dogs.

[pharmakos]

If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

[pharmakos]

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

[Hasbinbad]

what are the odds that consciousness would arise within a purely deterministic universe?
100%

[Hasbinbad]

this dude been watching too much william lane craig.

[Hasbinbad]

Did you not notice he gets trounced in every debate he participates in? As do all christian apologists?

[pharmakos]

there is some good shit in the bible though

Ecclesiastes 1
New International Version (NIV)
Everything Is Meaningless

1 The words of the Teacher,[a] son of David, king in Jerusalem:

2 “Meaningless! Meaningless!”
says the Teacher.
“Utterly meaningless!
Everything is meaningless.”
3 What do people gain from all their labors
at which they toil under the sun?
4 Generations come and generations go,
but the earth remains forever.
5 The sun rises and the sun sets,
and hurries back to where it rises.
6 The wind blows to the south
and turns to the north;
round and round it goes,
ever returning on its course.
7 All streams flow into the sea,
yet the sea is never full.
To the place the streams come from,
there they return again.
8 All things are wearisome,
more than one can say.
The eye never has enough of seeing,
nor the ear its fill of hearing.
9 What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.
10 Is there anything of which one can say,
“Look! This is something new”?
It was here already, long ago;
it was here before our time.
11 No one remembers the former generations,
and even those yet to come
will not be remembered
by those who follow them.
Wisdom Is Meaningless

12 I, the Teacher, was king over Israel in Jerusalem. 13 I applied my mind to study and to explore by wisdom all that is done under the heavens. What a heavy burden God has laid on mankind! 14 I have seen all the things that are done under the sun; all of them are meaningless, a chasing after the wind.

15 What is crooked cannot be straightened;
what is lacking cannot be counted.
16 I said to myself, “Look, I have increased in wisdom more than anyone who has ruled over Jerusalem before me; I have experienced much of wisdom and knowledge.” 17 Then I applied myself to the understanding of wisdom, and also of madness and folly, but I learned that this, too, is a chasing after the wind.

18 For with much wisdom comes much sorrow;
the more knowledge, the more grief.


and Corinthians is good if you like lovey-dovey shit


but yeah for the most part its some pretty awful, hateful, judgmental stuff

[Ahldagor]

want some good bible reading then read st. augustine. keep aquinas out of this cosmological debate though, that guy got sucked in too much by plato. also, consider time as subjective and rework the logic. richard sorabji has a nice read on time thinking http://www.amazon.com/Time-Creation-Continuum-Theories-Antiquity/dp/0226768228/ref=la_B001IQXHNC_1_4/182-5541952-1024560?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1383502972&sr=1-4

[DrKvothe]

http://the-militant-atheist.org/biblical-quotes.html

Interesting read.

[DrKvothe]

http://evolutionlist.blogspot.com/2009/02/macroevolution-examples-and-evidence.html

A good read for the biologically literate. Most devout Christians will likely have intentionally limited the scope of their scientific knowledge and may find the language difficult to follow. Such are the consequences of 'faith'.

[Illuzionz]

Believe me it's you that has a limited scope of scientific knowledge if you think evolution is true since it contradicts established scientific facts, namely cell theory and the law of biogenesis and the laws of thermodynamics. There is no evidence one species can become another entirely. This is where evolutionists insert the notions of "billions of years!". Quite convenient of course but simply not science. If it cannot be reproduced via experimentation then it isn't science, period. Evolution is by definition, pseudo-science.

[pharmakos]

the whole Evolution vs. Creationism debate is absurd

the two are not mutually exclusive

[DrKvothe]

Believe me it's you that has a limited scope of scientific knowledge if you think evolution is true since it contradicts established scientific facts, namely cell theory and the law of biogenesis and the laws of thermodynamics. There is no evidence one species can become another entirely. This is where evolutionists insert the notions of "billions of years!". Quite convenient of course but simply not science. If it cannot be reproduced via experimentation then it isn't science, period. Evolution is by definition, pseudo-science.

That must be why PhD biologists overwhelming dismiss evolution as hocum in favor of theories involving virgin birth, angels, and demons. Or perhaps they understand that evolution is in fact compatible with all modern scientific principles?

Speaking from personal professional experience, evolution is reproduced by experimentation every damn day. The entire fields of bioengineering and biotechnology depend on it.

[Illuzionz]

That must be why PhD biologists overwhelming dismiss evolution as hocum in favor of theories involving virgin birth, angels, and demons. Or perhaps they understand that evolution is in fact compatible with all modern scientific principles?

Speaking from personal professional experience, evolution is reproduced by experimentation every damn day. The entire fields of bioengineering and biotechnology depend on it.

Ya, micro-evolution is produced every day. Bacteria becoming resistant to things. Guess what. Still bacteria. Show me bacteria turning into a mouse. Also, virgin birth could be possible via science. It's called artificial insemination. So really the idea of a virgin birth is very possible. In fact the entire Bible can be understood when science is applied. Like Jonah spending 3 nights in a whale. In reality he was in a submarine but they didn't know what a submarine was back then so they called it a whale because that was the closest thing they could compare it to.

[DrKvothe]

im getting trolled so hard

[pharmakos]

but what if he's being serious?

[Kagatob]

but what if he's being serious?

Then it's just another idiot among a billion others.

[Illuzionz]

Yep, typical Ad Hominem's from atheists because that's all you can do. Pretty pathetic really. It's cool. Keep believing in evolution even though not one single person in the history of the human race has ever witnessed one species changing into another. No scientist can reproduce it and nobody has ever seen it. Solid science bro. What's funny as hell is I actually feel like it's you that's trolling me because you have got to be either retarded or trolling to believe in evolution and actually think there is evidence that it can occur. If it can occur, why hasn't anyone seen it or reproduced it in a lab?

[Kagatob]

Yep, typical Ad Hominem's from atheists because that's all you can do. Pretty pathetic really. It's cool. Keep believing in evolution even though not one single person in the history of the human race has evertnessed one species changing into another. No scientist can reproduce it and nobody has ever seen it. Solid science bro. What's funny as hell is I actually feel like it's you that's trolling me because you have got to be either retarded or trolling to believe in evolution and actually think there is evidence that it can occur. If it can occur, why hasn't anyone seen it or reproduced it in a lab?

That's not how evolution works. Not being able to understand a process doesn't give you a free pass to claim it isn't science. Please stop using that word by the way, it's offensive to see you type it and try to claim it as your own. There is nothing scientific about any of your methods.

Next are you going to tell me that the earth doesn't orbit the sun because nobody actually watched it happen, or that gravity doesn't exist because they have yet to discover a way to create it artificially. Then again you likely believe the earth is 6000 years old too.

[pharmakos]

Ynot one single person in the history of the human race has ever witnessed one species changing into another. No scientist can reproduce it and nobody has ever seen it.

i know you're just trolling, but

-- ever heard of a Mule?

or any of the thousands of hybrid plant species out there?

Hoeycrisp Apples are a new species, invented by man.

[Hasbinbad]

You can't really fault creationists. You can talk about "a million this," or "a billion that," but those numbers make no sense to the average person. You may as well say "a gufunkian things." It would have much the same import to the creationist.

[Hasbinbad]

they just get lost with the big number past 6,000 or so

[Hailto]

What is your avatar from HBB?

[Hasbinbad]

.. .. .. Really?

[Hasbinbad]

I don't use hackneyed internet acronyms often, but when I do, smdh.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_the_Head

[Illuzionz]

That's not how evolution works. Not being able to understand a process doesn't give you a free pass to claim it isn't science. Please stop using that word by the way, it's offensive to see you type it and try to claim it as your own. There is nothing scientific about any of your methods.

Next are you going to tell me that the earth doesn't orbit the sun because nobody actually watched it happen, or that gravity doesn't exist because they have yet to discover a way to create it artificially. Then again you likely believe the earth is 6000 years old too.

Lol? That's exactly how evolution is claimed to work. We evolved from single celled organisms apparently but there is no evidence this can even occur. Comparing gravity to evolution is about as retarded as one can get. Gravity is a constantly observable, testable force. Gravity can be proven 24/7/365. Evolution though? Nope. Just gotta take their word for it that after billions of years, an amoeba will turn into a frog. Nobody can see it, nobody can test it.

Not only that but according to already established scientific facts, this isn't even possible. See cell theory and law of biogenesis. According to cell theory, cells can only come from pre-existing cells. This is established scientific fact. Inanimate matter is incapable of turning itself into a cell no matter how long you give it. Even 100 trillion years would not be enough time to make something impossible occur.

As for the Earth being 6,000 years old. Someone should read the Bible because it never once mentions the age of the Earth. But of course all atheists are good at is assuming shit they have no clue whatsoever about.

[pharmakos]

mutation

heredity

survival of the fittest

[Illuzionz]

Um mutation's are bad. Mutations are known as birth defects. The DNA also has mechanisms for preventing the passing on of mutations. Kinda shits on your whole ridiculous theory. Also, heredity from what before any life existed? At one point there was a bunch of rocks and water and not much else. So please tell me where this heredity came from. Let's also consider that abiogenesis cannot occur thanks to what we know about cell theory.

Please show me an experiment which proves that one species can become another entirely. I mean you claim mutations. Ok great, show me something mutating from one thing into another entirely and keeping that mutated form through reproduction. Should be easy right? I mean it happens all of the time obviously since there's billions of different species. With so many different species you would think that it would be as easy as baking a cake.

[Illuzionz]

i know you're just trolling, but

-- ever heard of a Mule?

or any of the thousands of hybrid plant species out there?

Hoeycrisp Apples are a new species, invented by man.

A mule is the offspring of two nearly identical animals. If that is your evidence, why can't mule's reproduce? Bang, shot your retarded theory down. Some evolution that is. Produces an animal that can't even reproduce. Does that even make any sense? You would think with evolution being true that any offspring would be able to reproduce np but hybrids cannot.

[Illuzionz]

It's also hilarious because right after that post you go on about mutations, heredity and survival of the fittest. How can any of that be true if hybrid species can't even pass on their heredity and therefor can't survive?

I know you're just trolling but still, at least try. God damn.

[Illuzionz]

How can it be a mutation if at least one of the parents has it? I also never said adaptation never occurred only that one species cannot become another entirely. There is a difference between adaptation and evolution. Organisms can adapt but they cannot evolve into something they aren't already.

[DrKvothe]

Please show me an experiment which proves that one species can become another entirely. I mean you claim mutations. Ok great, show me something mutating from one thing into another entirely and keeping that mutated form through reproduction. Should be easy right? I mean it happens all of the time obviously since there's billions of different species. With so many different species you would think that it would be as easy as baking a cake.

Took 2 months in the lab to evolve a multicellular organism from a single cell organism.
http://www.pnas.org/content/109/5/1595

Life has attempted to minimize mutation rate through accurate DNA replication and DNA repair mechanisms, but accurately copying 3 billion bases at the required rate (once per cell division) is quite difficult. Human beings mutate at a rate of ~1.1 x10^-8 mutations per base per generation. Most of these mutations occur in noncoding regions which are more easily tolerated.

Mutation is mostly neutral and occasionally deleterious to the individual. Rarely, however, mutations provide an adaptive advantage, and this benefits the population as a whole as environment and selective pressures change.

[Illuzionz]

So you're saying there's some arbitrary line that can't be crossed? A species can't 'adapt' to it's environment, over and over, until they're clearly distinguishable from their ancestor species?

It's a pretty ridiculous assumption if you think about it. You have a very flawed and ignorant view of evolution, just like 99.99% of people do.

btw you're as dumb as a bag of dead baby ******s. wouldn't be a littlegyno post without a lil racism u dig

Adaptations are minor environmental alterations. What does the changing of hemoglobin even do? Will it change the appearance at all? Nope. Still gonna look exactly the same as ancestors from thousands of years ago. You can't go from an amoeba to a frog. Also, at one point no life even existed so where did everything adapt from if there was no life at all to even adapt in the first place?

The first of every living kind had to be created by God. This is backed by scientific facts. Again, I know you just like to pretend you know about science but please look into cell theory and the law of biogenesis. If cells can only come from pre-existing cells and at one point there were no cells, where did the first ones come from?

[DrKvothe]

"Organisms can adapt but they cannot evolve into something they aren't already."

Are dogs the same species as wolves? Is corn the same species as the maize we domesticated it from? They can't interbreed, and they're phenotypically distinct.

Old species --> selection --> New species. Proof, undisputed by scientists.

Even with humans hand-picking the 'winners', essentially providing the strongest selection pressure possible, these changes took hundreds of years to yield clearly distinct species and thousands to yield the incredible distinctions seen today. Asking us to show you a microorganism evolving into a bird overnight just plainly shows how close-minded you are to this subject.

50 years from now, Christians will just claim that while all life may have evolved from single celled organisms, God must have created the initial cell. 100 years from now they'll admit that single celled organisms could arise from a molecular self-replicator, but they'll deny that the first of such self-replicators could arise without the hand of God. After we demonstrate that, they'll claim that the individual molecular components of the first self-replicator could not have been chirally enriched without God's intervention. And so on and so forth until they're driven back to the big bang. They'll claim God initiated the universe and set everything in motion so that billions of years later we'd be here to worship him.

I'm suggesting that religion's battle with science will lead them from denying modern biology to denying modern chemistry to denying modern physics.

[Illuzionz]

50 years from now, Christians will just claim that while all life may have evolved from single celled organisms, God must have created the initial cell. 100 years from now they'll admit that single celled organisms could arise from a molecular self-replicator, but they'll deny that the first of such self-replicators could arise without the hand of God. After we demonstrate that, they'll claim that the individual molecular components of the first self-replicator could not have been chirally enriched without God's intervention. And so on and so forth until they're driven back to the big bang. They'll claim God initiated the universe and set everything in motion so that billions of years later we'd be here to worship him.

Scientists have been trying to prove abiogenesis for quite some time now. However they will never show that molecular self-replicators exist because there is no such thing. Only a cell is considered alive and cells can only come from pre-existing cells. It's already been proven that you are wrong you just don't want to admit it like a typical atheist who is to stubborn to see the truth.

Asking us to show you a microorganism evolving into a bird overnight just plainly shows how close-minded you are to this subject.

I didn't say it had to be overnight. The problem is it wouldn't happen no matter how much time was given to it. We already know for a fact that it could never happen no matter what thanks to the law of biogenesis which states that all life can only produce after it's own kind. Spiders will always be spiders, dogs will always be dogs and cat's will always be cats.

Are dogs the same species as wolves?

Wolves are not dogs. It's the same thing as a lion and a tiger. Very similar animals. Not the same animal. One did not come from the other. Unless of course you're telling me a that a Chihuahua evolved from wolves? Rofl.

[pharmakos]

such a dedicated troll

[DrKvothe]

Scientists have been trying to prove abiogenesis for quite some time now. However they will never show that molecular self-replicators exist because there is no such thing. Only a cell is considered alive and cells can only come from pre-existing cells. It's already been proven that you are wrong you just don't want to admit it like a typical atheist who is to stubborn to see the truth.

I didn't say it had to be overnight. The problem is it wouldn't happen no matter how much time was given to it. We already know for a fact that it could never happen no matter what thanks to the law of biogenesis which states that all life can only produce after it's own kind. Spiders will always be spiders, dogs will always be dogs and cat's will always be cats.

Wolves are not dogs. It's the same thing as a lion and a tiger. Very similar animals. Not the same animal. One did not come from the other. Unless of course you're telling me a that a Chihuahua evolved from wolves? Rofl.

Self-replicating molecules were made obsolete billions of years ago by the very lifeforms they led to. Significant progress has been made in engineering such molecules, despite having no direct information on how they functioned in nature.

http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2011/04/rna-enzyme-makes-another-rna-e.html

We'll get there eventually. No credible scientists deny it is possible.

The law of biogenesis was relevant when we first began to understand the concept of the cell. It was developed by Louis Pasteur in 1865. It was hypothesized before we had the slightest understanding of molecular biology or understood any molecular basis for evolution.

Yes, I am telling you that Chihuahua evolved from wolves. Scientific fact, look it up.

[Kagatob]

Lol? That's exactly how evolution is claimed to work. No it's not, and this is why you don't understand it at all.
We evolved from single celled organisms apparently but there is no evidence this can even occur.
Genetics? The fossil record? Geology? Heredity? Mutation? Natural selection? None of those are things?
Comparing gravity to evolution is about as retarded as one can get. Gravity is a constantly observable, testable force. Gravity can be proven 24/7/365.
Really? You can tell me what inherently causes gravity and replicate it artificially in laboratory conditions? Can you post a pic of your nobel prize for that please?
Evolution though? Nope. Just gotta take their word for it that after billions of years,
It's a hair more complicated than that, keep burping out the same rhetoric though.
an amoeba will turn into a frog.
Nobody in the world claims that "An amoeba will turn into a frog.".
Nobody can see it,
It happens all of the time, you just refuse to see what's in front of you.
nobody can test it.
Actually they have.
Not only that but according to already established scientific facts, this isn't even possible. See cell theory and law of biogenesis.
Actually the law of biogenesis was created to disprove spontaneous generation of life forms such as maggots, frogs, etc. It says nothing about the origin of life. Please stop twisting the definitions of terms.
According to cell theory, cells can only come from pre-existing cells. This is established scientific fact.
Funny, evolution is the more widely considered to be a fact in the scientific community. Regardless, modern cell theory works in tandem with evolution anyway so again you bring up something useless to attempt to support your 'argument'.
Inanimate matter is incapable of turning itself into a cell no matter how long you give it. Even 100 trillion years would not be enough time to make something impossible occur.
You act like there's some proposed driving force in the universe that wants to create life... there is not.
As for the Earth being 6,000 years old. Someone should read the Bible because it never once mentions the age of the Earth. But of course all atheists are good at is assuming shit they have no clue whatsoever about.
How old do you believe the earth is?
Um mutation's are bad.
Sometimes.
Mutations are known as birth defects.
In Haiti perhaps.
The DNA also has mechanisms for preventing the passing on of mutations.
It does not.
Kinda shits on your whole ridiculous theory.
This stuff you just made up? No it doesn't.

Also, heredity from what before any life existed?
Where did he suggest that?
At one point there was a bunch of rocks and water and not much else. So please tell me where this heredity came from.
Lost ya there. You're kinda rambling at this point.
Let's also consider that abiogenesis cannot occur thanks to what we know about cell theory. oh, hi Root/Daldolma

Please show me an experiment which proves that one species can become another entirely.
For the umpteenth time, that's now how evolution works or what it's about.
I mean you claim mutations. Ok great, show me something mutating from one thing into another entirely and keeping that mutated form through reproduction.
Ever hear of hairless cats? Ligers? Toy poodles?
Should be easy right?
Ever eat an apple?
I mean it happens all of the time obviously since there's billions of different species.
Actually it's the other way around...
With so many different species you would think that it would be as easy as baking a cake.
What does that have to do with anything?

[Lron]

Get a fucking life fagatob, holy christ you are an embarrassment.

[Illuzionz]

Self-replicating molecules were made obsolete billions of years ago by the very lifeforms they led to. Significant progress has been made in engineering such molecules, despite having no direct information on how they functioned in nature.

http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2011/04/rna-enzyme-makes-another-rna-e.html

We'll get there eventually. No credible scientists deny it is possible.

The law of biogenesis was relevant when we first began to understand the concept of the cell. It was developed by Louis Pasteur in 1865. It was hypothesized before we had the slightest understanding of molecular biology or understood any molecular basis for evolution.

Yes, I am telling you that Chihuahua evolved from wolves. Scientific fact, look it up.

Um molecular biology proves evolution to be impossible even according to Darwin himself. The systems which operate on the molecular level of an organism all have to co-exist simultaneously for them to work. There is no way anything could evolve one piece at a time because the organism would be incapable of surviving long enough for it to teach itself all of the proper things it needs to propagate.

Regardless of when Pasteur devised his theory, it still stands true. Last I checked, it's still a scientific law and has not been changed or altered or revoked since the day it was created. In fact, all science has done is confirm his findings even more. Cell theory is entirely based on the original work of Pasteur. Guess what, cell theory is still a fact, verifiable and provable every day of the week. Evolution cannot be verified nor tested, nor seen by anyone. You literally have to have faith in evolution being true because of this fact. Also, because of this fact, evolution is literally pseudo-science by the very definition of the word. Anything that cannot be tested or experimentally reproduced cannot be scientific.

[Illuzionz]

Also, LOL at the comments section of that article you linked. The RNA molecule can't even fully replicate itself. Not to mention that only DNA can create a living organism. RNA on it's own is useless. RNA based organisms such as a virus require a DNA based host to infect in order to come alive.

Nobody in the world claims that "An amoeba will turn into a frog.".

For the umpteenth time, that's now how evolution works or what it's about.

Yes it is you fucking retard. If that's not how evolution works then how the fuck can you go from one species to another? Where the fuck did frogs come from then? If no frogs existed at one point then obviously something that wasn't a frog eventually turned into one. If shit started off as single celled organisms then you're saying an amoeba or something like an amoeba eventually became that frog. That's exactly what evolution is claiming to have occurred. This is exactly what is complete bullshit and impossible. DNA can only replicate itself. The offspring of any child to their parent has probably around 99.9% similarity in DNA to either parent. Your kids won't grow a pair of fucking gills just because you swim in the water all day like in Waterworld.

[Kagatob]

If that's not how evolution works then how the fuck can you go from one species to another?
Can you clarify what this "go from one species to another" thing is? That's not what evolution is, you are sadly and disgustingly mistaken. It's not even funny any more.
Where the fuck did frogs come from then? If no frogs existed at one point then obviously something that wasn't a frog eventually turned into one. If shit started off as single celled organisms then you're saying an amoeba or something like an amoeba eventually became that frog. That's exactly what evolution is claiming to have occurred.
No it's not at all, an amoeba doesn't become a frog, I still don't get where you are pulling this leap from and why you're so obsessed with frogs.
This is exactly what is complete bullshit and impossible. DNA can only replicate itself. The offspring of any child to their parent has probably around 99.9% similarity in DNA to either parent. Your kids won't grow a pair of fucking gills just because you swim in the water all day like in Waterworld.
If this is what you think evolution is, thank you for proving my point for me.

[Hastley]

It's cute that this thread makes you neck beards feel educated and smart. Why not go outside of your mothers basements and contribute something to society instead of quoting "articles" from yahoo news

[Illuzionz]

Can you clarify what this "go from one species to another" thing is? That's not what evolution is, you are sadly and disgustingly mistaken. It's not even funny any more.

No it's not at all, an amoeba doesn't become a frog, I still don't get where you are pulling this leap from and why you're so obsessed with frogs.

If this is what you think evolution is, thank you for proving my point for me.

I'm just using frog as an example you complete retard. Lol, seriously? What single celled organism eventually becomes a frog if not an amoeba. You have to pick one because eventually that's the only life that existed at one point. We supposedly according to evolution went from no life, to simplistic life to more complex life. So really we all evolved from an amoeba or some such simple organism. Please take your pick and then explain how you can go from that simple single celled organism to something like a frog or a cat or whatever the fuck.

[Illuzionz]

This guy has to either be retarded or a troll or under the age of 10. I literally have to teach evolutionists/atheists their own theories to them.

Can you clarify what this "go from one species to another" thing is? That's not what evolution is, you are sadly and disgustingly mistaken. It's not even funny any more.


Here let me break it down for you dumb dumb. Where did cats come from? What animal eventually turned into what are known as cats now. Ok now ask the same question for whatever animal you say that cats came from. For instance, DrK said that dogs are descended from wolves. Ok, now where are wolves descended from? Let's just say they're descended from some prehistoric wolf type creature. Ok where is that prehistoric wolf type creature descended from? Eventually if you wind back the clock far enough, you're going to reach a point where no wolf type creature existed anywhere on the planet.

So something had to have eventually become what we now know as a wolf. That's what this "go from one species to another" thing is. If no wolves existed at one point, how the fuck can you go from something that isn't a wolf to something that is, without one species becoming another entirely? Either wolves have always existed or you're telling me that something that wasn't a wolf eventually became one. What the fuck was it, before it became a wolf, and what was that before it became what it is that eventually became a wolf.

[finalgrunt]

dogs are descended from wolves

They do not. They have a common ancestor, and they branched at one point. For the same reason we can't say that Man descends from monkeys. We shared a common ancestor, branched over a very long period of time and evolved seperatly.

So the questions which remain to solve are:

- Do all species descend from the same unicellular ancestor? If so did other different kinds exist but did not survive our ancestor? How many times did life start and vanished before it stuck to the Earth?
- How such material were formed? This is still an ongoing research field, even though we're starting to have a better picture.

For the same reason people were unable (and in some cases still are) unable to explain how we can grow from a single cell with so much differentiation, it will take time to understand the mechanisms. And unlike living cells that we can study at will, we don't have any material to study for our origins. DNA don't survive well through time, and that's the reason why we may see one day Mammoths again, but dinosaurs not so much (until we can actually write DNA code and simulate its output, and then we can build something matching our imagination, which may come close but never will be the reality).

[Gaffin']

NOBODY GIVE A FUCK *****

[Rellapse35]

We all come from black people.

[Champion_Standing]

We all come from black people.

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/if-adam-and-eve-are-white-and-evolution-doesnt-exist-why-are-there-black-people.jpg

[Gaffin']

GORILLAS BRAH

[DrKvothe]

They do not. They have a common ancestor, and they branched at one point. For the same reason we can't say that Man descends from monkeys. We shared a common ancestor, branched over a very long period of time and evolved seperatly.

So the questions which remain to solve are:

- Do all species descend from the same unicellular ancestor? If so did other different kinds exist but did not survive our ancestor? How many times did life start and vanished before it stuck to the Earth?
- How such material were formed? This is still an ongoing research field, even though we're starting to have a better picture.

For the same reason people were unable (and in some cases still are) unable to explain how we can grow from a single cell with so much differentiation, it will take time to understand the mechanisms. And unlike living cells that we can study at will, we don't have any material to study for our origins. DNA don't survive well through time, and that's the reason why we may see one day Mammoths again, but dinosaurs not so much (until we can actually write DNA code and simulate its output, and then we can build something matching our imagination, which may come close but never will be the reality).

They do. The grey wolf is the common ancestor from which all dogs descend. The difference is that wolves are still around, and haven't changed all that much since. The proper analogy for the evolutionary timeline is monkeys are man's 'cousins' while wolves are dogs' 'parents'.

We can actually write DNA code and simulate its output. It's one of the defining technologies of this century, but it's hardly new. Costs are relatively high, ~0.35 dollars per base, meaning you can synthesize your typical gene for ~$300-500 bucks.

http://www.jcvi.org/cms/press/press-releases/full-text/article/first-self-replicating-synthetic-bacterial-cell-constructed-by-j-craig-venter-institute-researcher/

In 2010, Venter and his team synthesized a small (>1mil bases) bacterial genome. They could write in whichever code they wanted, but to ensure it was viable they stuck with something mostly natural. They did sign their names in and left a message, but otherwise it was the natural organism's genome built chemically in a lab. They then removed the DNA from a similar but different organism, and stuck their synthetic DNA inside the empty cell. The remaining cellular machinery began to read the genome, and this is now a stable cell line.

Now the key is to better understand what to write and to advance each stage of this technology to build larger genomes and to get them inside cells.

[Illuzionz]

You do realize they copied verbatim the code of an already existing bacterium, right? All they did was add in "water marks" in apparently non-essential areas of the code.

[DrKvothe]

So something had to have eventually become what we now know as a wolf. That's what this "go from one species to another" thing is. If no wolves existed at one point, how the fuck can you go from something that isn't a wolf to something that is, without one species becoming another entirely? Either wolves have always existed or you're telling me that something that wasn't a wolf eventually became one. What the fuck was it, before it became a wolf, and what was that before it became what it is that eventually became a wolf.

Speciation can occur when a mutant from one population is allowed to fill another ecological niche. This is what Darwin observed in finches in the Galapogos islands. Well, sometimes the preceding species dies off. This wasn't the case with wolves and dogs. The ancestors of dogs were likely wolves genetically predisposed to reliance on humans. They snuck in and stole scraps of food, etc. Still scared of us, but not as scared and not as aggressive. Eventually such an intermediate species was domesticated. The natural grey wolf still retained its ecological niche and still lives on today.

Most of the organisms that have ever lived are extinct. The vast biodiversity present today is but a tiny snapshot of what has been and what will be.

[DrKvothe]

Yes, it's a mostly natural code. But they wrote it. They just weren't sure what they could write that would be biologically competent. Cells are incredibly complicated and it caan be very difficult to predict the cellular consequences. Now that they accomplished this major scientific milestone, the synthesis of an entire genome and the creation of a lifeform from this genome, they're hard at work to make more interesting, synthetic organisms.

There first goal seems to be genome reduction, creating the 'minimal cell'. They hope to provide a better workhorse microbe for bioengineering that's stripped of nonessential cellular function. I'm sure once they accomplish this miraculous feat, you'll just scoff and say "so what, that thing's way more simple than a 'real' cell!" which is exactly what they're going for.

[pharmakos]

Um molecular biology proves evolution to be impossible even according to Darwin himself.

hahahahahahahaha you guys are getting trolled so hard

[Illuzionz]

Um no. Darwin said that if cells were proven to be extremely complex and not just simple constructions as was assumed, that his theory was assuredly false. But ok dude. Keep laughing but the joke is on you.

[Illuzionz]

There are far to many symbiotic relationships in nature for evolution to be possible. The best example of which is bee's. Many plants could not exist or survive without the existence of bee's and bee's could not exist or survive without the existence of these plants. It is impossible either could have evolved into what it is without the other life form present. This means both of these things had to come into existence at the same location at virtually the same time, simultaneously.

[pharmakos]

if you're being serious

then you are really cherry picking stuff to support your argument

Darwin did NOT think evolution was impossible. he conceded that it might not be true, but he did not think it was impossible. why the fuck would he write The Origin of Species if he thought evolution was impossible?

so many people on both sides of this thread stating possibilities as fact.

truth is -- no one knows for sure. and likely we never will know for sure.

[Illuzionz]

You obviously have never read the Origin of Species. Just about every passage begins with "If my theory be true" where he outlines certain criteria which has to be true in order for evolution to be possible. Many of these criteria have since been disproved which according to Darwin himself destroys his entire theory.

If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed, which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down.

[DrKvothe]

I realized I'm being trolled, but the ignorance at the heart of these statements is a caricature of the ignorance at the heart of all religion. The concept of faith is baffling. Faith is belief not just in the absence of evidence, but despite evidence to the contrary. This topic is deeply personal to me. As a scientist, I carry the legacy of a group continuously persecuted for MY beliefs, built from evidence past and evolving from evidence to come. This persecution has done nothing but hamper scientific progress and thus the technology that inevitably results.

We've moved beyond simply studying the biological world. Scientists of the last century learned how to exploit or conquer complex biological systems, resulting in cheaper and more abundant food and reducing the threat from many of the most terrifying diseases. Scientists of this century are learning how to BUILD biology, and the consequences of these achievements will likely exceed any speculation I might offer.

Faith is synonymous with intentional ignorance, and intentional ignorance wastes the very thing that makes our species special on this planet.

[Illuzionz]

If you seriously think I'm trolling, please fucking kill yourself. I've done nothing but completely shit on all of your arguments. Nobody has ever seen evolution from one species to another occur. It's not fucking science you god damn delusional fucking moron. How the fuck can something that cannot be seen, tested, experimentally observed, possibly be science? Bacteria becoming more bacteria isn't evolution dumb fuck. You speak of faith and yet evolution takes more faith to believe in than God ever could. "Billion and billions of years" herp fucking derp. Just add "billions of years" to anything we can't actually explain. So fucking dumb it's ridiculous.

[Rain1]

*sigh* ^^ that is the problem with faith. You can't even begin to entertain the thought that maybe you are wrong. Instead you parrot sad, overused talking points that have ALL been ripped to shreds over and over again. Grow the fuck up and use some critical thinking. Oh wait, that's what your people say "is dangerous." LOL

[Tenlaar]

For real guys, don't do something stupid and add "billions of years."

Everybody knows the real answer is to add "invisible man in the sky that isn't really the sky but is a metaphorical sky."

[Cecily]

Oh my god. Block paragraph psuedoscience gibberish everywhere.

http://i.imgur.com/fbKgzhf.jpg

[pharmakos]

a flying chair

proof that god exists imo

[Csihar]

Illusionz, for the sake of argument lets assume you're right and a supernatural being brought everything into existence. How do you go about assigning any attributes to this "god" and how did you come to the conclusion that it's Jehovah?

[DrKvothe]

Probably some delusional retarded bullshit about feeling the saving grace of God after he shamefully wipes splooge from his face.

[Abner]

Whether or not you believe in God it takes little more than basic investigation and common sense to figure out that Darwinian Evolution is a Religion and not a science.

[Gaffin']

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rh13do7fig

[radditsu]

"If I let being bad at something stop me, I wouldn't be here. That thing some men call 'failure,' I call 'living.' 'Breakfast.' And I'm not leaving until I've cleaned out the buffet. Now, how about a shove? "

-Hasbinbad Bearjew

[Kagatob]

Darwinian Evolution is a Religion and not a science.

If it weren't for the little things like the multiple sources of evidence supporting evolution I might agree with you on some levels.

[Recycled Children]

The atheist/theist argument is hilarious. It always diverges to science which is equally hysterical. How are you going to prove the supernatural through natural means and vice versa? This should be an argument of philosophy not science. It's not even an argument really your just naysaying to walls.

[Kagatob]

The evidence/faith argument is hilarious.

FTFY

I agree... sometimes. Then again all ye faithful are trying to impose their beliefs on others.

Faith is like a penis. It's ok that you have one and to be proud of it. It's ok to do stuff with it behind closed doors by yourself or with your friends. It's not ok to whip it out in public. Try to touch my children with it and I'll fucking kill you.

[Champion_Standing]

FTFY

I agree... sometimes. Then again all ye faithful are trying to impose their beliefs on others.

Faith is like a penis. It's ok that you have one and to be proud of it. It's ok to do stuff with it behind closed doors by yourself or with your friends. It's not ok to whip it out in public. Try to touch my children with it and I'll fucking kill you.

That line gets so fucking old, you are just as guilty of it as anyone else.

[Gaffin']

That line gets so fucking old, you are just as guilty of it as anyone else.

Shut the fuck up forever, you are the worst poster on this forum, please kill yourself.

[Champion_Standing]

Shut the fuck up forever, you are the worst poster on this forum, please kill yourself.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DGGcdZ4KYbA/T5FeDLPuJJI/AAAAAAAACKo/2ofTef2oC0w/s640/good-good-let-the-jimmies-rustle-through-you.png

[Gaffin']

Fucking fat faggot

[radditsu]

Trying to prove religion through scientific means defeats the entire purpose of religion. You simply cannot understand something that is beyond understanding. If anybody is trying to sell you on "the science of religion" is feeding you a bunch of horseshit.

Believe in it or not, stop trying to shove mystical ghosts down the throat of people who want to live in the world as it is observed. People who want to live in the world as it is observed stop trying to force science on the people who simply do not want to live their life in that manner. I, personally, do not need a religion to give me purpose or make me a good person. I also like having my free time and not prostrating myself in front of a God,of which may exist/may not exist.

To me: a god is something that would not give one flying shit about if you care about it or not. We have observed a UNIVERSE of other things, why would GOD care about you masturbating to gay porn in the scheme of everything that exists. We are not special. YOU are not special. Believing in him does not give you special rights.

The bible is a glorified self help book on how to (mostly) live your life in a positive manner back in ancient times. Jesus probably existed and was a good dude. But guess what? Those books were written hundreds of years after he was born. Also rewritten and "adjusted" more and more to be "central white European".


Be a good person. Believe in Jesus. Believe in God if you want. But trying to make it sound like god can be scientifically proven is dumb as shit.


PS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metron_(comics)

Flying chair gods are always legit

[Sidelle]

I wish I could make something evolve into a twinkie right about now. I have the munchies and no junk food in sight.

P.s. This thread made my eyes bleed, you fuckers.

[Gaffin']

I wish I could make something evolve into a twinkie right about now. I have the munchies and no junk food in sight.

P.s. This thread made my eyes bleed, you fuckers.

how are you

[Kagatob]

That line gets so fucking old, you are just as guilty of it as anyone else.

Don't confuse knowledge/understanding with belief, don't confuse actual truth supported by evidence with 'christian truth', and for crying out loud don't confuse education with indoctrination.

[Sidelle]

Crabby with no twinkies, obviously! ;)

[Champion_Standing]

Don't confuse knowledge/understanding with belief, don't confuse actual truth supported by evidence with 'christian truth', and for crying out loud don't confuse education with indoctrination.

You are so enlightened. If only the whole world would conform to your beliefs we would be in a better place.

[Shannacore]

Crabby with no twinkies, obviously! ;)

Zingers > Twinkies imo

[Sidelle]

Those aren't bad but I'm not a big fan of frosting in general.

[Recycled Children]

Even if you prove or disprove the theory of evolution you aren't proving or disproving the existence of a deity. Again this is not a discussion of science.

[pharmakos]

Swiss Cake Rolls imho

[Illuzionz]

Don't confuse knowledge/understanding with belief, don't confuse actual truth supported by evidence with 'christian truth', and for crying out loud don't confuse education with indoctrination.

I've already gone over how there is no evidence. Please show me one species producing another kind entirely. Also please show me how a cell can even occur naturally without the presence of another cell of it's kind. Please show me what the actual common ancestor that is linked to go both apes and humans(p.s. there's a reason they call it the missing link retard). Evidence? Please go look up the fucking word before using it k thx.

[Recycled Children]

Illuzionz is a troll.

[Abner]

Illuzionz is a troll.

Illuzionz is challenging the religious beliefs of some who think they have science on their side when they do not. It clearly annoys and frustrates them.

[DrKvothe]

Even if you prove or disprove the theory of evolution you aren't proving or disproving the existence of a deity. Again this is not a discussion of science.

Just like catching your parents placing gifts from Santa under the tree does not disprove your theory of Santa's existence. Nor does it disprove the theory that Santa delivered the presents in previous years and will deliver them in years to come. Obviously the theory holds up despite that one minor inconvenience.

At this point the strongest argument I can find against evolution is the fact that Illusionz is supposedly one of the products of it.

[pharmakos]

At this point the strongest argument I can find against evolution is the fact that Illusionz is supposedly one of the products of it.

lmao

[radditsu]

I wish I could make something evolve into a twinkie right about now. I have the munchies and no junk food in sight.

P.s. This thread made my eyes bleed, you fuckers.

You have a dick between your legs.

[radditsu]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4z6akzMsiM

[Kagatob]

It clearly annoys and frustrates them.

Ignorant creationists who believe that abiogenesis somehow debunks evolutionary science are annoying and frustrating. I'm done responding to the trolls in this thread.

[Sidelle]

You have a dick between your legs.
If I had one I would tell you to suck it. You seem fixated on my gender lately. What's up with that?

[radditsu]

If I had one I would tell you to suck it. You seem fixated on my gender lately. What's up with that?

I smell a millie bro.

[Sidelle]

I smell a millie bro.
Lol. Do I even wanna know what a Millie is? Shit.....

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Of course it necessitates a God. Only consciousness can create things. The big bang itself can't be the cause. Someone would have to trigger it just like a gun won't ever fire if nobody is there to pull it's trigger. Consciousness is the only possible logical cause for existence. Even if you were to suggest the cycle of the big bang were infinite, the first one would still had to have been caused by a conscious being.

Also, it doesn't matter how many religions there have been, there is still only one true God. The "gods" of ancient times aren't the same as God as they to are the children of the same one true God. All of the so called "gods" are the fallen angels and the Nephilim offspring they produced, they weren't actually made up characters but beings that actually existed and walked the Earth. However, Jesus proved his father is the one true God when he was raised from the dead as well as a plethora of other miracles.

Aside from the Bible there is also plenty of scientific proof that God exists the best of which is the discovery of DNA. Only a conscious being of unimaginable intelligence could create something such as DNA which is really just an ultra complex biomechanical computer capable of creating living organisms. It's written in a specific chemical language with it's own alphabet. At some point someone would have had to define this alphabet as inanimate matter is incapable of doing so.

You wouldn't go to some ancient temple, see a bunch of hieroglyph's and think "hmm cool natural formation!". No, it's obvious that someone created it. The only difference between those hieroglyph's and DNA is that DNA is much smaller and harder to see and far more advanced.

cute. I especially liked how you said a causal sequence requires a conscious origin, and expected us to not see the hole in your reasoning. Conscious causality requires a conscious cause, naturally. But you didn't prove the cosmos as a consciously caused thing. So, you know, fail.

[radditsu]

Lol. Do I even wanna know what a Millie is? Shit.....

Oh its just a reference to a guy who pretends to be a girl and makes long elaborate cons to keep the Lie afloat.

Created by EQ and ran to perfection by a dude in FOH for quite a few years. Unfortunately he dun goofed by pretending to be some gamer chick who got a tiny bit famous for going to cons.



BOOM your mind is full eq history dawg.

Look i really do not know you are a girl or not. But you have the forum presence of a guy. You have either been seasoned by the salty dogs that sail among the sea's of shitty gaming forums, or a dude.


It interests me.


MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Illuzionz]

cute. I especially liked how you said a causal sequence requires a conscious origin, and expected us to not see the hole in your reasoning. Conscious causality requires a conscious cause, naturally. But you didn't prove the cosmos as a consciously caused thing. So, you know, fail.

There is no hole in my reasoning at all. Something which at one point didn't exist, had to be created. The Universe at one point didn't exist, therefor it had to be created. Creation can only be caused by a conscious being. Therefor the cosmos is the result of a conscious act of creation.

[Ahldagor]

http://astralsociety.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/evolution1.jpg

[Ahldagor]

http://theinsanityreport.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/creationists.jpg

[Abner]

Ignorant creationists who believe that abiogenesis somehow debunks evolutionary science are annoying and frustrating. I'm done responding to the trolls in this thread.

I have said nothing about creationism. I said Darwinian Evolution is a religion. And by the way, calling creationists ignorant shows your own lack of knowledge. There are many creationist scientists today and throughout history.

[Kagatob]

I have said nothing about creationism. I said Darwinian Evolution is a religion. And by the way, calling creationists ignorant shows your own lack of knowledge. There are many creationist scientists today and throughout history.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHbYJfwFgOU
Bill Nye said it best.

[Gaffin']

Which one?

All of them

[Recycled Children]

Just like catching your parents placing gifts from Santa under the tree does not disprove your theory of Santa's existence. Nor does it disprove the theory that Santa delivered the presents in previous years and will deliver them in years to come. Obviously the theory holds up despite that one minor inconvenience.

At this point the strongest argument I can find against evolution is the fact that Illusionz is supposedly one of the products of it.

What? Do you understand know what the theory of evolution is? Evolution is the origin of species not the origin of life you dumb militant atheist piece of shit.

[Kagatob]

What? Do you understand know what the theory of evolution is? Evolution is the origin of species not the origin of life you dumb militant atheist piece of shit.

Shh, don't tell them. It's amusing watching them make asses of themselves screaming about Abiogenesis over and over again.

[Recycled Children]

Shh, don't tell them. It's amusing watching them make asses of themselves screaming about Abiogenesis over and over again.

I can't stand listening to atheists sometimes even though I am one. Good gravy. These people replace religion with science and really get wrapped up in it.

ALL HAIL LORD DAWKINS!! Death to the faith believers!

Nurga, who cares? Religion is on the outs, what holy war are you fighting?

[DrKvothe]

The two statements that you took to be one argument were meant to be two. That's why I separated them.

Since Illusionz's 'proof' of religion is based on the absolute impossibility of any natural explanation for speciation, I've defended evolution and debunked religion in essentially every post. Replacing supernatural beliefs with hypotheses based on observation and tested by experimentation beats the shit out of blindly believing in angels.

[Sidelle]

I believe in god... and SHE is fucking pissed at you people with dangly bits. Just sayin'...

[Sidelle]

FUUUUUCK! Hate it when i wake up in the middle of the night no longer tired.

[Cecily]

All of them

Ahahaha.

[Abner]

Bill Nye said it best.

Bill Nye is a sad, smug and arrogant man. It's people like him that are one of the dangers to the future of mankind.

His Darwinian evolution religion is not science no matter how badly he wants it to be. Teaching it as fact and blatantly regarding those that disagree as ignorant is just plain wrong.

Hopefully, in time, enough people will wake up to the fact that our society is being scammed and programmed into believing Darwinian Evolution fiction is fact. A lot of people unfortunately don't take the time to question what they are being fed.

[Champion_Standing]

Bill Nye is a sad, smug and arrogant man. It's people like him that are one of the dangers to the future of mankind.

His Darwinian evolution religion is not science no matter how badly he wants it to be. Teaching it as fact and blatantly regarding those that disagree as ignorant is just plain wrong.

Hopefully, in time, enough people will wake up to the fact that our society is being scammed and programmed into believing Darwinian Evolution fiction is fact. A lot of people unfortunately don't take the time to question what they are being fed.

Human history in a nutshell

[Recycled Children]

How is evolution not science? How much evidence of it do you need to accept it?

[Tenlaar]

How is evolution not science? How much evidence of it do you need to accept it?

IF YOU CAN'T LINK A YOUTUBE VIDEO OF IT IT'S NOT SCIENCE!!1!!@!

[Hasbinbad]

Zingers > Twinkies imo
I am so disappoint.

[radditsu]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1fGkFuHIu0

this one work?

[Hasbinbad]

someone explain to me how we go from slime pool to fish-squirrels to chimpanzees to human beings to shanna liking zingers over twinkies...

IT MAKES NO SENSE

[Hasbinbad]

Shh, don't tell them. It's amusing watching them make asses of themselves screaming about Abiogenesis over and over again.
You could literally switch the word "abiogenesis" with "anime" and then this would be about you.

[Abner]

I've already gone over how there is no evidence. Please show me one species producing another kind entirely. Also please show me how a cell can even occur naturally without the presence of another cell of it's kind. Please show me what the actual common ancestor that is linked to go both apes and humans(p.s. there's a reason they call it the missing link retard). Evidence?

There is none. There is only a religion calling itself science.

[DrKvothe]

His Darwinian evolution religion is not science no matter how badly he wants it to be. Teaching it as fact and blatantly regarding those that disagree as ignorant is just plain wrong.

Hopefully, in time, enough people will wake up to the fact that our society is being scammed and programmed into believing Darwinian Evolution fiction is fact. A lot of people unfortunately don't take the time to question what they are being fed.

Biology classes teaching students about our current understanding of an important biological mechanism is just plain wrong, guys.

The scholarly debate amongst biologists over the precise mechanisms of evolution is as lively as ever. In which situations do genetic drift and purifying selection predominate over positive selection as the primary evolutionary force? How are mutational robustness and evolvability dependent on differences in codon usage for organisms of various complexity within populations of various sizes? How frequent are population bottlenecks under various scenarios for various organisms? There are examples of molecular mechanisms to provide higher (more adaptive) mutation rates when certain microbial populations are under attack, but are there any natural mechanisms within any form of life by which mutation rate can be increased within only a portion of a genome?

You act as if we read On the Origin of Species to our children and tell them "this is the way things are!" All this really does is expose your complete misunderstanding of how the scientific method works and demonstrates one of the high costs of indoctrinating children into belief of the supernatural.

[Illuzionz]

Unless it can be proven that a cell can arise naturally, the only alternative is that it arose supernaturally. Every single scientific fact we know of tells us that cells cannot form naturally. See Cell Theory.

[DrKvothe]

All I heard was "I don't understand how science works. So: God!"

[Illuzionz]

I have a much better understanding of how science works than probably everyone on these forums combined. Cells cannot arise naturally. See Cell Theory.

[Kagatob]

You could literally switch the word "abiogenesis" with "anime" and then this would be about you.
Forumquest fail. I seldom if ever bring up Japanese animation, 19/20 times it's someone else bringing up the subject.
I have a much better understanding of how science works than probably everyone on these forums combined. Cells cannot arise naturally. See Cell Theory.

What? Do you understand know what the theory of evolution is? Evolution is the origin of species not the origin of life you dumb militant piece of shit.

[radditsu]

There is no reason for that bottle to go off in your sig bro.

[kotton05]

There is no reason for that bottle to go off in your sig bro.

Could be like those mentos and come things, kinda waits a sec before going off

[Kagatob]

You also shouldn't be able to see her eyes through an opaque liquid. Blue is not a natural hair color. Any other nitpicks? :p

[radditsu]

No, I was just commenting on the plausibility of that piece of sexual imagery.

[Kagatob]

that piece of sexual imagery.

Is that always the first place your mind goes? :eek:

[radditsu]

When i see a facial. I see a facial. Especially when the gif is out of context.

[Kagatob]

Keep in mind that you need to make the conscious choice to take said .gif out of context.

[radditsu]

No I just have an understanding of Japanese culture.

[Kagatob]

Racist

[pharmakos]

There is no hole in my reasoning at all. Something which at one point didn't exist, had to be created. The Universe at one point didn't exist, therefor it had to be created. Creation can only be caused by a conscious being. Therefor the cosmos is the result of a conscious act of creation.

highlighted part is a big logical leap, may be true but needs more evidence

[Illuzionz]

How is that a big logical leap unless you are a complete fucking retard? Ever seen a house build itself? Ever seen a painting paint itself? Ever seen a song write itself? Ever seen a book write itself? Ever seen a car build itself? Ever seen a cake bake itself?

If you need more evidence, please kill yourself.

[radditsu]

Racist

Nope, I just read. It would be racist if i said "all jap's love prepubescent girls".

I am more saying is. There is a weird(in a american pov) sub-segment of Japanese culture that has an obsession with sexualizing pre-pubescent girls. Which seems to stem from pre-WW2 era japanese culture and the impotence of being in a subjugated culture!



Or i am saying that is creepy as fuck dawg and totally rnf worthy.

[pharmakos]

How is that a big logical leap unless you are a complete fucking retard? Ever seen a house build itself? Ever seen a painting paint itself? Ever seen a song write itself? Ever seen a book write itself? Ever seen a car build itself? Ever seen a cake bake itself?

If you need more evidence, please kill yourself.

those aren't natural things though

i've seen snow drifts and mud puddles created with no conscious input

[Illuzionz]

Doesn't matter if they aren't "natural". It provides evidence that even nature itself was created.

[DrKvothe]

Houses can't build themselves ergo God must exist. Fucking brilliant.

[pharmakos]

Doesn't matter if they aren't "natural". It provides evidence that even nature itself was created.

if they aren't natural, then how does it provide evidence that nature itself was created?

makes no sense

and again -- mudpuddles are created without conscious input. sand dunes. snow drifts. rock slides. thunder storms. etc etc etc

[Illuzionz]

if they aren't natural, then how does it provide evidence that nature itself was created?

makes no sense

and again -- mudpuddles are created without conscious input. sand dunes. snow drifts. rock slides. thunder storms. etc etc etc

Simply assumptions. The only possibility for all of those things was a conscious creation. Sand didn't exist at one point. Therefor it had to be created. Snow didn't exist at one point. It had to be created. Thunder storms weren't possible at one point. The possibility for them had to be created. Rocks didn't exist at one point. They had to be created. The computer you're typing didn't exist at one point. It had to be created. You didn't exist at one point, you had to be created.

[pharmakos]

Simply assumptions.

^^ that statement also applies to your belief that creation implies consciousness

like i said, i'm willing to possibly believe your side. i just don't see the solid evidence though.

[Illuzionz]

The evidence couldn't possibly be anymore solid and anymore obvious than it's going to get so I'm not sure what else to tell you. Anything that didn't exist at one point had to be created. I mean this is literally 1st grade logic. Every single thing you mentioned as "natural" didn't exist at one point. Planet fucking Earth didn't exist at one point. It HAD to be created.

[Kagatob]

Stop replying to the troll. Notice how he is obsessed with this "1st grade logic" of his. Considering his obvious lack of knowledge as to how matter and energy work, he likely only made it to the first grade before being pulled out of school and officially indoctrinated.

[Illuzionz]

Kinda cool how the troll calls me a troll. Typical bait n switch troll. Predictable and boring. How many people were injured in Russian meteor incident? It was 3 right? Only 3 people got injured, correct? Can you please kill yourself?

[Kagatob]

bait n switch

Idontthinkthatmeanswhatyouthinkitmeans.jpg

[Illuzionz]

No, it does actually. Please, tell me again, 3 people were injured in Russia right? Wasn't like 1,500 but only 3? Correct? Can you go google it to make sure plz?

[pharmakos]

The evidence couldn't possibly be anymore solid and anymore obvious than it's going to get so I'm not sure what else to tell you. Anything that didn't exist at one point had to be created. I mean this is literally 1st grade logic. Every single thing you mentioned as "natural" didn't exist at one point. Planet fucking Earth didn't exist at one point. It HAD to be created.

you're right, they all had to be created. i still don't see how creation implies consciousness though.

[pharmakos]

Kinda cool how the troll calls me a troll. Typical bait n switch troll. Predictable and boring. How many people were injured in Russian meteor incident? It was 3 right? Only 3 people got injured, correct? Can you please kill yourself?

did god create that meteor? =p

[radditsu]

did god create that meteor? =p

Naw dude, he created the earth in 7 days. How long do you think all that window dressing like meteor's and shit would take?

Dude isn't around anymore cause he has to keep making planets and shit we have to discover.

Mystery!

[runlvlzero]

How does that black mans braids attain the strength of Kevlar to deflect them bullets? How much weed does one need to inhale before one has Kevlar braids?

[runlvlzero]

P.S. Dupont is a fucking evil company I hope they kill you all with their Kevlar products.

[Gaffin']

too bad tanrin doesnt play anymore :(

[radditsu]

too bad tanrin doesnt play anymore :(

http://i.imgur.com/asJ2ggk.jpg


I have my fun

[Gaffin']

u playin live ******? Fv or not?