"Porting for donations"...a little selfish?

[Jingleson]

Now I realize it's common courtesy to tip someone for buffs, revives, and ports. I always tip when I ask for any of these services (what I can afford, anyway), but the point is that it's technically a free service from most people and clients don't HAVE to tip if they don't want to. It's extremely petty and tacky, but they don't have to.

But I've run into a few people now that say things like "Porting for donations, at least 25pp" or "Will buff for tips." which gives the impression that they won't port you or buff you unless you give them a donation, turning a complimentary service into a paid one. I've even seen a few cases where newbies have been turned down for buffs or ports after asking politely for one, and I get the feeling it was because the people they were asking knew that they were broke and likely wouldn't have money for a donation.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for tipping someone who spends their time and mana to help you out, I always tip when I can, but when did donations turn into a MANDATORY thing? When did people start acting like "no donation? no port."?

[Yinikren]

Donations never were mandatory, some players are just selfish or rolled the class for the express purpose of making money for what they do, so they feel entitled to platinum in their trade window for every click of the mouse.

For the record, I always get ports from people who specifically don't ooc that they are porting for donations, so I can actually donate for their time and mana. A donation isn't a donation if its required to be paid.

[Lyra]

There is always the boat! It even works and it's FREE!!!

[Vexenu]

I agree that it's lame for people to require a donation, but you'd be amazed how many obviously rich, high level players will stiff you or hilariously lowball you on ports with like 5pp or something (with no explanation or apology). It's annoying and kind of insulting. Once that happens a few times to a guy who's expressly porting for money (most likely a relatively new player) I can't blame him for setting a fee.

Basically the cheapskates cause this behavior to emerge by not tipping.

[Wrathis]

I got bitched out the other day because I asked for a port to NK, was KoS at the druid rings so they invis'd me ported without me able to give donation. Afterward they were like so you're not going to pay? They then told me they were tired of griefers and said they would ignore me on all characters they have created even after I said this is a new character will little funds and I'd donate what I could if they meet me outside the druid rings.

Kinda rubbed me the wrong way for sure.

[Vadd]

What about..... "Port Services?"

[Lojik]

Play a port class- once you port a few level 60's around who only tip 5-10p, you'll understand why most porters are permanently anon/roleplay. Required donation of 25p....you're greedy. Or...

Somenooborcheapsk8 tells you "Hi can i get a port and evac to EJ for CR?"
You tell Somenooborcheapsk8 "Sorry I am busy atm."
Somenooborcheapsk8 tells you "WTF man you can't take 1 min of your time to come port me?"

[Jingleson]

Play a port class- once you port a few level 60's around who only tip 5-10p, you'll understand why most porters are permanently anon/roleplay. Required donation of 25p....you're greedy. Or...

Somenooborcheapsk8 tells you "Hi can i get a port and evac to EJ for CR?"
You tell Somenooborcheapsk8 "Sorry I am busy atm."
Somenooborcheapsk8 tells you "WTF man you can't take 1 min of your time to come port me?"

Okay, most are anon/roleplay, understandable considering how often some of them get pestered for services. But DEMANDING a donation for their services? It's not a donation if it's mandatory, then it's just a fee.

[murcielago200]

Ya when I'm in the mood to make money on my port whore I say porting for plat, none of this silly donation crap. Normally if someone tries to pay me less then 20pp I cancel the trade because I assume they are too poor and they got the port for free. Never had anyone have an attitude about me being busy. If they did I would drop them in skyfire or tox or somewhere annoying. Bad idea to piss a porter off. That's how you get stuck in Hate.

[Ishio]

For me in my history, I would never charge for a port. I accept donations, and state so, however if I'm out soloing and I get a tell, depending on my situation, I may do so for a fee. However that being said, there is one guild I've encountered that no matter what, will never tip, say thank you and always be demanding. I even went out of my way to stop a solo quad to port this person begging me and offering to pay, to get him from Lava, just to get there, port/evac to EJ, for him to just drop group.

[Xadion]

somecheapsk

you must have ported me

and I am poor as shit yo

mandatory and donation do not go together.

mandatory donation gets 1p just porting I usually do 50

[Furniture]

your not entitled to anything espcially not ports/buffs from other players, if you don't want to pay for your buffs/ports when a person is trying to make money doing so, then stop being lazy and run there or play a class that has that buffs and then you can do what you want, this sounds similar to a 25 year old who is angry that his parents are asking him for rent money when they "don't have" to.

[Langrisserx]

Normally if someone tries to pay me less then 20pp I cancel the trade because I assume they are too poor

oh hey i didnt know Mitt Romney played everquest?

[Jingleson]

your not entitled to anything espcially not ports/buffs from other players, if you don't want to pay for your buffs/ports when a person is trying to make money doing so, then stop being lazy and run there or play a class that has that buffs and then you can do what you want, this sounds similar to a 25 year old who is angry that his parents are asking him for rent money when they "don't have" to.

And porters/buffers are not "entitled" to mandatory donations from clients. Donations should be freely given of the clients own free will, optional, not something that's automatically implied. If you want to charge money for your buffs/ports, fine, say something like "porting to so and so for x amount of pp." not "porting to so and so for a donation." That's a misuse of the word and tends to confuse and/or give the wrong impression. That's like holding out a collection plate after delivering a pizza.

[Furniture]

"And porters/buffers are not "entitled" to mandatory donations from clients."

And how is that so? If I were playing a druid class, it is soley my discretion if it is mandatory or not, not yours

Just because you wish players would give you free buffs/ports does not mean they should, and your semantics argument is nothing but a petty semantics argument. If someone is porting for donations obviously it means they are trying to make money, not give you free buffs/ports, and I don't think anybody is confused by that

[Jingleson]

"And porters/buffers are not "entitled" to mandatory donations from clients."

And how is that so? If I were playing a druid class, it is soley my discretion if it is mandatory or not, not yours

Just because you wish players would give you free buffs/ports does not mean they should, and your semantics argument is nothing but a petty semantics argument. If someone is porting for donations obviously it means they are trying to make money, not give you free buffs/ports, and I don't think anybody is confused by that

First of all, I do tip when I ask for a port or buffs. Usually 25pp, sometimes 50pp if I can afford it.

Second, if they are trying to make money they should say "porting for a fee of x plat." NOT "porting for donations." Because then the donation isn't a donation, it's a bill. A donation implies an optional handout at the discretion of the client receiving the service, not a mandatory one enforced by the provider.

[Furniture]

your trying to make a semantics argument but you are wrong about what a donation is:

donation [dəʊˈneɪʃən]
n
1. the act of giving, esp to a charity
2. a contribution
[from Latin dōnātiō a presenting, from dōnāre to give, from dōnum gift]


I don't know why you think that when someone says "porting for donations" that it is optional. Maybe you would be happier if every druid rewrote their message to say "porting for optional donations", but people do not generally like to waste hours of their playtime porting people around for the chance to not make any money.

There is no confusion. People do not "port/buff for donation" unless they are trying to make money. If the person does not have a donation to give then that person should tell the porter and see if he will do it for free, but it should absolutely not be expected.

[justin2090]

I don't see the big deal here. Maybe it's because I have a 49 druid. It even states on the wiki that 1pp per level is the accepted "donation" for porting. I mean if you don't want to pay for someones time just walk or take the boat. Is worth 10-50p to not ride the boat to Kunark? I think so.

Maybe you haven't experienced a boat ride. Get greedy and ride the boat one time then....

/ooc Donating for port PST!!!

[Jingleson]

your trying to make a semantics argument but you are wrong about what a donation is:

donation [dəʊˈneɪʃən]
n
1. the act of giving, esp to a charity
2. a contribution
[from Latin dōnātiō a presenting, from dōnāre to give, from dōnum gift]


I don't know why you think that when someone says "porting for donations" that it is optional. Maybe you would be happier if every druid rewrote their message to say "porting for optional donations", but people do not generally like to waste hours of their playtime porting people around for the chance to not make any money.

There is no confusion. People do not "port/buff for donation" unless they are trying to make money. If the person does not have a donation to give then that person should tell the porter and see if he will do it for free, but it should absolutely not be expected.

The act of giving means exactly what it says, to GIVE. Not to PAY. A GIFT is given freely from one to another, not as a mandatory fee of service. Your understanding of the word and the meaning of "donation" is seriously flawed.

You want to be paid for your services? Say something like "porting to so and so for 25pp per person." Then people know it's a mandated fee and can decide whether they want the service or not. When I see someone saying "porting for donations", misusing the word, then I'll ask them for a port and donate them 1000cp to piss them off.

Donating and tipping are one and the same, and tipping means voluntary, not forced. Free, not FEE.

Here, read this: http://mostlywater.org/mandatory_donations_free_versus_fee

[justin2090]

I think your arguing a mute point here. And btw you know your stiffing the poor if you tip 1000cp. There is a reason why you see a druid advertise in EC for a week and then never again. You port enough to save up cash to start a class you really wanted to play in the first place but didn't have any starter funds (melee).

Like I said, Wiki states 1pp per lvl is accepted. You already know what the price is before you even send the tell.

[Zeonick]

I think it's pretty obvious when people say "porting for donations" that they are doing so to make money. It's just a nice way of saying it. Donation means that you have the option to pay what you want. If you only want to pay 10pp, fine it's a donation. But you could also pay 100pp if you want.. also fine, it's a donation.

[justin2090]

not to mention its been "porting for donations" since 99'.

"porting for donations" = classic

[Furniture]

Lol lets take a look at another "seriously flawed" definition that comes straight from another dictionary: do·na·tion [doh-ney-shuhn] Show IPA
noun
1.
an act or instance of presenting something as a gift, grant, or contribution.
2.
a gift, as to a fund; contribution.



Where in that do you see anything about a donation being optional? You either have a donation to give or you don't. Its that simple. "Porting for donations" means you are porting for the "donation". Its not hard to understand. Its amazing how you seem to pride yourself on using this rediculous semantics argument, but you have to understand it makes you look like a petty bitch. There is not much else to say on the matter. You think you are entitled and think you are being clever by giving 1000cp to people who are trying to make platinum , and unless you are a retard, it is very clear the intention of the druid.

[Jingleson]

Lol lets take a look at another "seriously flawed" definition that comes straight from another dictionary: do·na·tion [doh-ney-shuhn] Show IPA
noun
1.
an act or instance of presenting something as a gift, grant, or contribution.
2.
a gift, as to a fund; contribution.



Where in that do you see anything about a donation being optional? You either have a donation to give or you don't. Its that simple. "Porting for donations" means you are porting for the "donation". Its not hard to understand. Its amazing how you seem to pride yourself on using this rediculous semantics argument, but you have to understand it makes you look like a petty bitch. There is not much else to say on the matter. You think you are entitled and think you are being clever by giving 1000cp to people who are trying to make platinum , and unless you are a retard, it is very clear the intention of the druid.

K, so when someone is porting for a donation, I can just give them 1cp and get the donation and they can't say boo about it.

[Furniture]

K, so when someone is porting for a donation, I can just give them 1cp and get the donation and they can't say boo about it.

yes, a donation is a donation no matter the amount

It is also considered being an ungrateful prick too, but if thats what you want then go for it.

[Pan]

If you're not paying 1pp per level to the porter, you're likely not someone I'd have a lot of time for in-game or out. And I don't port for cash...just pay for my ports.

[Turp_SmokinPurp]

I can just give them 1cp and get the donation and they can't say boo about it.
lol good luck w/ that.
If you want free ports 24/7 than play a porter.
If not , than expect to pay sometimes. It is a simple as that and dumb to make a thread about it. It is not selfish to ask for donations imo.
I port for free, some port for cash. Everyone is different, But it's completely legit for people to want donations to port someone they do not know across the land thus sacrificing your in game mana and time.

[Zeonick]

I honestly don't know about the whole 1pp per level thing. Now that i'm a bit higher level paying 44 plat for a quick port to BB seems kind of steep. Especially when they port, then gate back to ec and repeat. I spend more time buffing noobies for zero plat. In fact, 95% of people never donate for buffs of any kind. It's kind of weird that porters get to charge that much or that it is "expected"

So I guess i'll raise the question: Why is paying for ports generally accepted as mandatory but tipping for buffs is very very optional on the size of hardly ever?

[Jingleson]

lol good luck w/ that.
If you want free ports 24/7 than play a porter.
If not , than expect to pay sometimes. It is a simple as that and dumb to make a thread about it. It is not selfish to ask for donations imo.
I port for free, some port for cash. Everyone is different, But it's completely legit for people to want donations to port someone they do not know across the land thus sacrificing your in game mana and time.

No, it's not selfish to ask for donations, and I was never arguing that. It IS selfish to DEMAND them though.

[Sidelle]

Play a port class- once you port a few level 60's around who only tip 5-10p, you'll understand why most porters are permanently anon/roleplay. Required donation of 25p....you're greedy. Or...

Somenooborcheapsk8 tells you "Hi can i get a port and evac to EJ for CR?"
You tell Somenooborcheapsk8 "Sorry I am busy atm."
Somenooborcheapsk8 tells you "WTF man you can't take 1 min of your time to come port me?"
Wow, it would never occur to me to ever pay 5 or 10 plat for a port. Maybe as a newb and if I was really broke, but not at level 60. That shit's just rude.

[Vexenu]

What kind of jackass complains about people who say "Porting for donations" and then tips 1000 cp?

What are you, 14 years old?

[Jingleson]

What kind of jackass complains about people who say "Porting for donations" and then tips 1000 cp?

What are you, 14 years old?

1cp, not 1000cp.

Because it's not a donation if you have to give one for the service. It's a fee then.

[Nuggie]

Jingleson the millenial moocher, on ignore since Nov '13

Vote for Obama again. You cheap prick.

[Jingleson]

Jingleson the millenial moocher, on ignore since Nov '13

Vote for Obama again. You cheap prick.

Maybe you misunderstood me. I'm happy to donate to people who offer their services without strings attached. I generally donate 25-50pp every time I get a port or ask for SoW. But not to people who demand tithings for their time.

[SCB]

They call it a donation because it's what everyone called it in '99.

They called it that in '99 for RP reasons - it's like donating to their church for their services.

[wingelefoot]

There is nothing wrong to port for "donations." As a druid and someone who ports for "donations," it means what it means. If you feel generous enough to pay me for my time, great. If not, you must have your reasons. I don't keep a shit list, and I don't demand pay. Most (>90%) of the population is willing to give you a little something for your time.

[Alorae]

This again? "Porting for donations" is just the language people use. Don't take it literally.

[William_Munny15]

this is why i always state "porting for dough, no dough no port" no wiggle room there!

[Hailto]

oh great its this thread again

[Laugher]

This issue comes up a lot it seems, and while I agree the word "donation" doesn't really seem as fitting at times as saying "wts ports" I don't mind it, I've hardly ever seen ports presented another way. On my main I've never had issues with at least getting a "thank you" from someone for saving them a boat ride.

Some of my favorite porters I've met on my other toons charge a flat rate. The reason I like this is because when somebody charges a flat rate they're usually very business like about porting, that's not to say other porters aren't but if you see a flat rate porter online they are more often the ones who will accommodate their customers (ex. picking you up or running to an area you're in because you have asked).

Druid (& wizard) is a great money making class and I think there's a lot of people out there that hadn't played one (at least in this era) until this server (like myself) and as a result didn't grasp the concept of the community having the common sense to donate and/or say thank you for your time. As a level 30 I certainly presented myself as a "wts ports" type, but as a /roler I've actually gotten more business being quiet and out of the way than trying to ask for it haha.

tl;dr version: donation has been the EQ community term when dealing with ports for years. Some people like using their druid (wizard) for money instead of fun play time here(or for both fun & money).

[kaev]

"Donation" should be replaced by a non-disableable badword filter, random foraged goods would be best I think ("porting for vegetables!") Or, better yet, people who use it in zonewide chat should be insta-disco'd by the server. Absolute most annoying usage EQ has ever seen. It is :classic: tho, along with lots of other annoying behaviors.

[Shoran91]

I don't like it when people say that, better off just saying porting for a small fee =/ It isn't donating when it is required.

[Alorae]

"Porting for donations" doesn't imply that the donation is required.

[mishurza]

Porting for donations lets the person getting the port decide what to pay. When I was a lower level player I often payed only 10pp for a port or asked politely for a free port. A little gratitude and humility went a long way. When I'm trying to find a port I always say, "paying for a port to XXX" though so I understand where you are coming from.

2. Donation, a contribution.

Seems to me that people are using the word in a grammatically correct way, but that doesn't mean you have to phrase your port requests or offerings this way.

Also, be prepared to end up in Misty or Tox if you donate 1cp for a port.

[Langrisserx]

"Porting for donations" doesn't imply that the donation is required. no


Porting for donations lets the person getting the port decide what to pay. yes
"Porting for donations" means you are porting for the "donation". Its not hard to understand. yes


still lost on some people who dont read gud.. cough alorae.. the donation may be so infinitesimal as to not exist in the practical world... yet, it must be for there to be a port.

[Burial]

Honestly I don't mind donating at all I feel kinda guilty if I don't.

[Telin]

If you can afford it, you should pay for their time and services. It's just economic sense to me. That's why I add donations are accepted but not required. If I know someone could afford to pay and they don't i do get a little annoyed. One time I sarcastically thanked someone for their nonpayment and they ran back and paid embarassed to have forgotten.

[Atmas]

As a guy who played a wiz I always donate for ports.

If you don't want to tip someone for their time, don't take the ride. I imagine anyone who announces porting for donations is trying to make some money.

[Jingleson]

As a guy who played a wiz I always donate for ports.

If you don't want to tip someone for their time, don't take the ride. I imagine anyone who announces porting for donations is trying to make some money.

Then they should say something like "donations appreciated but never required." Not "must donate or no port."

[Alorae]

still lost on some people who dont read gud.. cough alorae.. the donation may be so infinitesimal as to not exist in the practical world... yet, it must be for there to be a port.

Says who? Donation means that the amount, even if it is zero, is entirely up to the one donating.

But you all know that "porting for donations" is just the phrase that people use in this game. Just pay the fucking guy who is porting you and move on.

[susvain0362]

Now I realize it's common courtesy to tip someone for buffs, revives, and ports. I always tip when I ask for any of these services (what I can afford, anyway), but the point is that it's technically a free service from most people and clients don't HAVE to tip if they don't want to. It's extremely petty and tacky, but they don't have to.

But I've run into a few people now that say things like "Porting for donations, at least 25pp" or "Will buff for tips." which gives the impression that they won't port you or buff you unless you give them a donation, turning a complimentary service into a paid one. I've even seen a few cases where newbies have been turned down for buffs or ports after asking politely for one, and I get the feeling it was because the people they were asking knew that they were broke and likely wouldn't have money for a donation.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for tipping someone who spends their time and mana to help you out, I always tip when I can, but when did donations turn into a MANDATORY thing? When did people start acting like "no donation? no port."?

Did you really see a noobie get turned down because they couldnt tip enough? Idk how you could see that going down. Maybe you fibbing about that.

Anyway, its your choice if you want to buy a port from the guy. If a guy is advertising his services and stating there is a payment then it is your choice to do it or not. Dont complain and make a thread about it. Its their choice, why should you get a say in it?

Also, the guy is probably using this as his primary way to farm money. Who wants to spend a couple hours porting and buffing and only make 500p? If someone is gonna spend their time doing this they want to make sure its worth their while

[susvain0362]

Okay, most are anon/roleplay, understandable considering how often some of them get pestered for services. But DEMANDING a donation for their services? It's not a donation if it's mandatory, then it's just a fee.

Really? Really? REALLY? You gonna get humg up and upset about the wordage used? Thats sad. Cmon now. Who gives a rats dick if they say porting for a fee or porting for donations. Its the same thing, you know what they mean.

Man...people like you, OP, how do you actually have the desire or the will to make a thread like this? Dont you just feel...like... A bozo, for making this thread. Just live your life pal. You gotta learn to be a cooler human being pal

[Jingleson]

Really? Really? REALLY? You gonna get humg up and upset about the wordage used? Thats sad. Cmon now. Who gives a rats dick if they say porting for a fee or porting for donations. Its the same thing, you know what they mean.

Man...people like you, OP, how do you actually have the desire or the will to make a thread like this? Dont you just feel...like... A bozo, for making this thread. Just live your life pal. You gotta learn to be a cooler human being pal

I call out bullshit when I see it.

[Bardalicious]

ITT: People acting self-important as if the world, and the time of other players, should revolve around them for free.

[susvain0362]

I call out bullshit when I see it.

What exaclty is the bullshit? The guy who is letting you know before hand he is charging for ports...its your decision to buy his port or not.

Do you you know how fun it is to port people around all time for free?

[Furniture]

its funny that the guy is trying to act like porters/buffers are the assholes when hes the one who pays 1000cp for ports because they said "buffing/porting for donations" and then makes this thread about them

[Triangle]

As someone who has never played a porting class:

I wouldn't dream of expecting, let alone asking, for a free port from someone I didn't know. I always tip well. Even when I was poor I tipped at least 40pp for a port. You are getting great value for that small amount of plat, sometimes saving you 20-30 minutes worth of running. Hell if its x-continent then it can save you upwards of an hour of your time!

You are also tying up someone else's time, so it seems normal that some incentive would be necessary for them to bother with you - hell, most of the time when I am in game I am not dilly daddling around looking for people to waste my time, but scheming to take over the world of course!

People complaining about some druid trying to make a meager 25pp porting your sorry ass around need to get fucked =P.

[Jingleson]

What exaclty is the bullshit? The guy who is letting you know before hand he is charging for ports...its your decision to buy his port or not.

Do you you know how fun it is to port people around all time for free?

No, the guy who disguises his porting fees as donations. Donations = optional, not automatically hold out your hand for cash or no port.

[Triangle]

Btw the term "donation" is occasionally used in the same sense in real life. Check out any museum that gives admission for "donation". It allows people to pay what they think is fair, so ideally the wealthier people pay more money to support of the museum and the plebs to get in for $1 if they are willing to accept the ignominy.

[susvain0362]

its funny that the guy is trying to act like porters/buffers are the assholes when hes the one who pays 1000cp for ports because they said "buffing/porting for donations" and then makes this thread about them

LOL. The OP did that? What a douche bag lmao.

[Furniture]

It's extremely petty and tacky

lol coming from jingleson

[Ciel]

Pretty simple, if you don't want, or cant donate, then look for a port else-where. Getting pissed at someone asking for a donation for their port service is like getting upset that people are auctioning items...you dont need to buy them..

[susvain0362]

U was going to say this before i read about the OP paying 1000cp.

What i was gonna say was, the best advice i can give the OP is, just learn to be a cooler person. If you were a cooler person than everything in your life would be better. Youd be more interesting of a person, you would have friends who are more interesting, alot of things really

[susvain0362]

Pretty simple, if you don't want, or cant donate, then look for a port else-where. Getting pissed at someone asking for a donation for their port service is like getting upset that people are auctioning items...you dont need to buy them..

OP is a painfully uncool/uninteresting person

[Furniture]

jingleson probably looks exactly like his avatar

[Furniture]

jingleson what do you think about the project1999 staff taking donations for the server? you should make a thread about that too

[susvain0362]

jingleson what do you think about the project1999 staff taking donations for the server? you should make a thread about that too

LOL!!!!!!!!LL!

"Dont say the server is free when you OPENLY and WILLINGLY take donations to help support the server"

Lol this guy, too much right now lmao, fuckin jungleson lol

[Jingleson]

LOL. The OP did that? What a douche bag lmao.

If someone wants to make donations MANDATORY for their ports or buffs, they get 1cp from me. If someone says "donations appreciated, but never required" I happily give them 25-50pp.

[susvain0362]

You are aware that makes you a lame human being? Im not sure if you know that. Do you ever wonder why you have no interesting and cool friends or people around you?

[Conky]

My druid is my trader in EC and Im always /role, I get tells from people that sit right in front of me while Im in the middle of a trade and ask for a port when I say "sorry Im busy atm" they get pissed. Some people think that if you play a druid or wiz its your job to port, Im sorry but play a druid then when someone asks for an evac to EJ when your in EC and you spend 15min porting to DL, cast lev, run to KC, evac to EJ, port to WC and run back to EC and they give you 15pp you'll see why most druids and wiz are /role or anon.

If Im in EC and not doing anything ill port someone for free I dont care, but I find it funny that people want a port to save time cause time is precious but expect the one porting to spend that time for free.

[Furniture]

If someone wants to make donations MANDATORY for their ports or buffs, they get 1cp from me.

that is why you are a petty little bitch

[Jingleson]

My druid is my trader in EC and Im always /role, I get tells from people that sit right in front of me while Im in the middle of a trade and ask for a port when I say "sorry Im busy atm" they get pissed. Some people think that if you play a druid or wiz its your job to port, Im sorry but play a druid then when someone asks for an evac to EJ when your in EC and you spend 15min porting to DL, cast lev, run to KC, evac to EJ, port to WC and run back to EC and they give you 15pp you'll see why most druids and wiz are /role or anon.

If Im in EC and not doing anything ill port someone for free I dont care, but I find it funny that people want a port to save time cause time is precious but expect the one porting to spend that time for free.

If you don't want to port people for peanuts, don't play a Druid/Wizard.

[Jingleson]

that is why you are a petty little bitch

Again, if someone makes their donations, OPTIONAL, I HAPPILY give them 25-50pp. Why is everyone overlooking this?

[Furniture]

watch your wording around jingleson or he will rip you off is what you are saying lol

[susvain0362]

Again, if someone makes their donations, OPTIONAL, I HAPPILY give them 25-50pp. Why is everyone overlooking this?

Because you already announced to everyone that "i am a painfully uncool person. I am not interesting in any way, and my friends are just like me"

[susvain0362]

Jingleson will find any reason to justify him not having to pay for a port. Dude is plague to the community

[Jingleson]

Jingleson will find any reason to justify him not having to pay for a port. Dude is plague to the community

k, whatever, happily pay 50pp for ports/buffs that I ask for from people willing to give them free of charge, but I get called a cheap bastard for not wanting to pay when people demand tithings for their time. gg p99, great mentality.

[Furniture]

lol you are rediculous, you clearly have some entitlement issue, you only properly tip people if they word it so it sounds like they don't mind doing it for free, but if someone makes it known up front that they are expecting payment then you think its acceptable to rip them off like an ungrateful scumbag (and you use a childish sementics argument to justify it), and its even more rediculous that your semantics argument is wrong in the first place

[Jingleson]

lol you are rediculous, you clearly have some entitlement issue, you only properly tip people if they word it so it sounds like they don't mind doing it for free, but if someone makes it known up front that they are expecting payment then you think its acceptable to rip them off like an ungrateful scumbag (and you use a childish sementics argument to justify it), and its even more rediculous that your semantics argument is wrong in the first place

No, if they make it known that there is a fee, I'll happily pay it. If they say that a donation is mandatory, thereby turning the donation into a fee, I'll give them 1cp for misrepresenting themselves and being a greedy bastard.

[susvain0362]

k, whatever, happily pay 50pp for ports/buffs that I ask for from people willing to give them free of charge, but I get called a cheap bastard for not wanting to pay when people demand tithings for their time. gg p99, great mentality.

Im about done trying to help you. How many times must i refer to these opinions? You might as well just say "don't group with me, you don't want me in your guild, my opinions are like nails scratching a chalk board, there is nothing interesting about me. I am painfully uncool person to talk with".

[Furniture]

i hope you realize that you have not justified yourself for being a scumbag ripping people off in any way

[Jingleson]

i hope you realize that you have not justified yourself for being a scumbag ripping people off in any way

Right, because masking a mandatory fee as a "donation" is in no way being a scumbag.

[Conky]

If you don't want to port people for peanuts, don't play a Druid/Wizard.

I dont have to port anyone if I play a druid/wizard, I can if I want to, I dont have to.

[Vosooth316]

i hope you realize that you have not justified yourself for being a scumbag ripping people off in any way

I agree. This guy jingleson is the exact type of player you DONT want running around Norrath. People with a deceitful mindset like that are not good for a community.

[Vosooth316]

Right, because masking a mandatory fee as a "donation" is in no way being a scumbag.

People are not treating their advertisements like a paper they are writing for college. Could you be anymore of a homo?

[Lithose]

I call out bullshit when I see it.

You're attempting to get into a semantics debate over a word but missing the structure of the sentence. A donation is a gift, or contribution. It's some application of wealth to a person, cause or institution--wealth as measured by time, goods or money. In this case, it's money.

So the word "donation" itself could mean gift, which is voluntary. However, the statement clearly says "Porting FOR donation". That preposition means that the verb (Porting) will ONLY be done because of the noun (Donation). The entire structure of this statement is a phrase denoting that the porter's actions are a direct result of the donation (Or an implied donation when the service is rendered.)

Your semantic argument is focusing on just the word. Why? Did the porter come up to you and say "Donation" thirty times without any context? No? Then it's not implied that it's optional.

The only thing you could imply that's optional is the amount. Which is why the word "donation" is used, because the amount fluctuates depending on the means of the person taking advantage of the service. There are a lot of factors that can affect how much you should pay for a port (Traffic of the port area, level, money, on a CR ect)--requiring a "donation" simply makes it easier for the price to be appropriate depending on the person transported, rather than haggling for every pick up.

The fact is, donations have been used by institutions for 500+ years as a way to ask for payment on a service that can't be fixed due to a myriad number of reasons.

[susvain0362]

You're attempting to get into a semantics debate over a word but missing the structure of the sentence. A donation is a gift, or contribution. It's some application of wealth to a person, cause or institution--wealth as measured by time, goods or money. In this case, it's money.

So the word "donation" itself could mean gift, which is voluntary. However, the statement clearly says "Porting FOR donation". That preposition means that the verb (Porting) will ONLY be done because of the noun (Donation). The entire structure of this statement is a phrase denoting that the porter's actions are a direct result of the donation (Or an implied donation when the service is rendered.)

Your semantic argument is focusing on just the word. Why? Did the porter come up to you and say "Donation" thirty times without any context? No? Then it's not implied that it's optional.

The only thing you could imply that's optional is the amount. Which is why the word "donation" is used, because the amount fluctuates depending on the means of the person taking advantage of the service. There are a lot of factors that can affect how much you should pay for a port (Traffic of the port area, level, money, on a CR ect)--requiring a "donation" simply makes it easier for the price to be appropriate depending on the person transported, rather than haggling for every pick up.

The fact is, donations have been used by institutions for 500+ years as a way to ask for payment on a service that can't be fixed due to a myriad number of reasons.

Thank you for saying what everyone was thinking. You did it very well done

[justin2090]

Everybody who has played a porter has been stiffed by the portee. I was donated 100 gold pieces for a evac to EJ once. I didn't care about the donation but the guy was an epic'd shaman.

He tipped me an EVEN number of gold pieces. Gold pieces a fuckin side, how do you hold on to that last bit of gold pieces and only tip 100?

100 gold pieces for an evac is a joke. I have to stop what I'm doing to run all the way to KC and this greedy bastard tips me gold? And not even all of it? On that day I decided I'm not porting until the tip is in the trade window (retired porter btw and free guild ports always).

And that's my advice to every porter. Sit until they tip. Hell, I may only have 83pp on my character but I'll tip 50p for a port. Because that's just what you do. When a homeless guy comes to your car at red light and scrubs your windshield clean you don't just drive off. You give the man a tip and go on about your business. And not some "all your pennies in the cup holder" tip. You pull out your wallet and tip the guy for his services. It's just that simple.

[Jingleson]

Everybody who has played a porter has been stiffed by the portee. I was donated 100 gold pieces for a evac to EJ once. I didn't care about the donation but the guy was an epic'd shaman.

He tipped me an EVEN number of gold pieces. Gold pieces a fuckin side, how do you hold on to that last bit of gold pieces and only tip 100?

100 gold pieces for an evac is a joke. I have to stop what I'm doing to run all the way to KC and this greedy bastard tips me gold? And not even all of it? On that day I decided I'm not porting until the tip is in the trade window (retired porter btw and free guild ports always).

And that's my advice to every porter. Sit until they tip. Hell, I may only have 83pp on my character but I'll tip 50p for a port. Because that's just what you do. When a homeless guy comes to your car at red light and scrubs your windshield clean you don't just drive off. You give the man a tip and go on about your business. And not some "all your pennies in the cup holder" tip. You pull out your wallet and tip the guy for his services. It's just that simple.

No, you tell the guy to get a job and drive off.

[justin2090]

So the word "donation" itself could mean gift, which is voluntary. However, the statement clearly says "Porting FOR donation". That preposition means that the verb (Porting) will ONLY be done because of the noun (Donation). The entire structure of this statement is a phrase denoting that the porter's actions are a direct result of the donation (Or an implied donation when the service is rendered.)


And this statement pretty much ends the discussion.

[Lammy]

I for one, appreciate the Druids and Wizards running around advertising ports for donations.

When I want to get somewhere, I want to get there and don't mind paying for it. I tip 100+ anytime I need a port if I'm not naked.

Keep doing what you're doing IMO. Idk why people have opinions about your porting services.

Fabben - Ogre Arch Mage
Kerbby - Gnome Warrior
Gadgets - Gnome Rogue
Clarki - Gnome Wizzard

Lammyx - 75 Rogue - <Assent> - Maelin - Retired

[justin2090]

No, you tell the guy to get a job and drive off.

Good thing you don't have your characters names in your signature like most people.

/blacklist

[Jingleson]

Good thing you don't have your characters names in your signature like most people.

/blacklist

For doing the right thing?

Funny, a homeless man actually did walk up and clean my windshield while I was at a red light, two miles from work. I called the police and reported him for harrassment.

[justin2090]

For doing the right thing?

Funny, a homeless man actually did walk up and clean my windshield while I was at a red light, two miles from work. I called the police and reported him for harrassment.

Liar

And I think you missed the point. The homeless man is doing a service which has an implied tip. If you don't tip then no more windshield washing for you.

Don't tip the druid then no more ports. Service with an implied tip. Get it?

[Jingleson]

Liar

And I think you missed the point. The homeless man is doing a service which has an implied tip. If you don't tip then no more windshield washing for you.

Don't tip the druid then no more ports. Service with an implied tip. Get it?

I tipped 1cp. Can't say I didn't tip. So I'm entitled to my ports.

And you missed the point. I tip people who are willing to port without strings attached.

[kaev]

... I'm entitled to my ports.


No, you're not.

[Loftus]

For doing the right thing?

Funny, a homeless man actually did walk up and clean my windshield while I was at a red light, two miles from work. I called the police and reported him for harrassment.

Jesus. From the beginning I understood where you were going (even tho I disagree), but now I think you are just a douchebag.

As someone pointed out above, "porting FOR donation" means "I give you port, you give me cash you find acceptable, but not zero". Everyone's level of what's acceptable is different based on their cash-value of time, hence the variable.

You, sir, are an asshole.

[Jingleson]

No, you're not.

k, I'll donate 2cp then.

[justin2090]

I tipped 1cp. Can't say I didn't tip. So I'm entitled to my ports.

And you missed the point. I tip people who are willing to port without strings attached.

Most porters sit until tip anyway. Good luck with that cp.

[susvain0362]

No, you tell the guy to get a job and drive off.

Well, i dont either of you are right here. If the hobo gets 50cents from every car he will have his 40bucks to get a bag of smack or crack in two bours. So the change section is plenty fair.

But that dont matter, jingleson has been embarassed nearly each response

[justin2090]

Anyway

Good troll

Time for bed

[NegaStoat]

I'm late to this party, but I think someone else already said what was on my mind.

If someone is Porting to earn some plat, it means they're directly comparing the money they make vs time spent against what they could be earning from a cash farm - even stuff like Bronze weapon or better.

When the person playing encounters a slew of cheap people not appreciative of the time saved with the Ports, it's pretty likely they'll say "F this" and ignore Port requests that don't match payment of what they could be earning. Or at least that's what I'd see myself end up doing after a while.

[justin2090]

Well, i dont either of you are right here. If the hobo gets 50cents from every car he will have his 40bucks to get a bag of smack or crack in two bours. So the change section is plenty fair.

But that dont matter, jingleson has been embarassed nearly each response

Damnit susvain I gotta go to sleep.

It's not about the homeless guy's income. It's about what your tipping.

Druids make a pretty good bit porting people around all day but you don't really think about the 5k they've made in ports before you tip them 50p. A service is a service is a service. Good night.

[susvain0362]

Maybe. Goodnight

[webrunner5]

I gave up porting Monks LONG time ago. They are all cheap asses lol. :D

[quido]

If I ever don't have at least 100pp for a port, I make sure it's alright first or make up the difference with peridots or whatever. People could avoid a lot of dumb bullshit if they'd just state their intentions before the service is rendered.

I always thought using the word "donation" when offering ports was stupid because because 95% of people mean "payment required unless you're a deadbeat." I think the term caught on because it's less greedy-sounding than "porting for plat."

[Autotune]

if you're level 58+ and you're not handing out 100-150p for a port/evac, you should just delete your accounts and stop playing Everquest.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

in answer to the original thread title: yes. a little.

you shall soon find, gear here is at top dollar. people need plat. done.

30p is enough once you get above 40. under that, fuck the bastard if they complain at a 4p tip. Yer a newb, yer broke, yes, they exist.

[Orruar]

I got bitched out the other day because I asked for a port to NK, was KoS at the druid rings so they invis'd me ported without me able to give donation. Afterward they were like so you're not going to pay? They then told me they were tired of griefers and said they would ignore me on all characters they have created even after I said this is a new character will little funds and I'd donate what I could if they meet me outside the druid rings.

Kinda rubbed me the wrong way for sure.

Learn how to use /split

[Furniture]

jingleson's character name is in fact jingleson, new server scumbag

[Alanus]

I haven't logged in in about 3 months, but my rule has always been I never "port for donations", but if someone offers me something that is worth my time to go out of my way (and waste 300 mana), I will take it.

I usually am anon due to the amount of requests I get. If I am in Everfrost, I am not going to port to WC, port you to DL, then evac you to EJ unless you really make it worth my time and effort.

[Lisset]

So do you call up PBS and bitch at them when they say you get a tote bag for a $50 DONATION? Or do you expect to send them 5 and get the tote bag anyway?

[Jauna]

I only read about half this thread before it all started sounding the same.. so the OP has a problem with the way people advertise themselves by using the wrong words in their macro.. or people who charge for porting? or both?

[Jingleson]

So do you call up PBS and bitch at them when they say you get a tote bag for a $50 DONATION? Or do you expect to send them 5 and get the tote bag anyway?

Yes, I do. It'd be fine if they were siliciting a tote bagfor a $50 fee, but disguising it as a donation? No.

Jauna: I don't have a people charging with porting (I'm more than happy to pay for it), as long as they make it known that they are CHARGING for it, and not masking it as a "donation."

[myriverse]

if you're level 58+ and you're not handing out 100-150p for a port/evac, you should just delete your accounts and stop playing Everquest.
Not all level 58s are rich. Even after 5 years on live, my main character (who only ever made it to level 60) never, ever had more than several hundred plat to his name at any given time.

Of course, I hardly ever used ports... but still.

Yes, I do. It'd be fine if they were siliciting a tote bagfor a $50 fee, but disguising it as a donation? No.

Jauna: I don't have a people charging with porting (I'm more than happy to pay for it), as long as they make it known that they are CHARGING for it, and not masking it as a "donation."
You're probably the only person in the world who doesn't realize that they are not disguising it as a donation. It's a solicit, plus donation.

[Nune]

is this shit serious? the fuck is this 12 pages for.

[Jauna]

Yes, I do. It'd be fine if they were siliciting a tote bagfor a $50 fee, but disguising it as a donation? No.

Jauna: I don't have a people charging with porting (I'm more than happy to pay for it), as long as they make it known that they are CHARGING for it, and not masking it as a "donation."


I also hate people who jump when they zone... I mean really, the fuck.

[Darkpretzel]

Dang Jingleson you went from loving this server to whining about petty shit in record time.

[Jingleson]

Dang Jingleson you went from loving this server to whining about petty shit in record time.

Still love the server, just pointing out what I think is fraudulent behavior.

[Fawqueue]

And the award for most asinine thing to complain about goes to...

[Darkpretzel]

blah blah blah on to the no fly list you go

[Jingleson]

blah blah blah on to the no fly list you go

whatever, I'll take the boat. Anyone who mandates donations for their services is pathetic and should be ashamed.

[Swish]

For reference, Jingleson plays a ranger... and should be allowed to feel slightly bitter. I understand the need to vent based on that.

[Darkpretzel]

I don't mandate donations, I just require human decency from my passengers.

[Darkpretzel]

For reference, Jingleson plays a ranger... and should be allowed to feel slightly bitter. I understand the need to vent based on that.

Ah makes sense now!

[Jingleson]

For reference, Jingleson plays a ranger... and should be allowed to feel slightly bitter. I understand the need to vent based on that.

I don't get the Ranger hate, honestly. They're one of the games best classes. Incredible DPS, good survival, nice utility spells, a very cool and powerful Epic, and Tracking.

[Swish]

You were struggling to tank in Unrest MR the other night. It's a ranger flaw though.

Anyway, playing a ranger, and doing it right... :p

http://i.minus.com/jbc4ZiLPQ3tCaz.jpg

[Jingleson]

You were struggling to tank in Unrest MR the other night. It's a ranger flaw though.

Anyway, playing a ranger, and doing it right... :p

http://i.minus.com/jbc4ZiLPQ3tCaz.jpg

What character were you?

[Jauna]

I don't get the Ranger hate, honestly. They're one of the games best classes. Incredible DPS, good survival, nice utility spells, a very cool and powerful Epic, and Tracking.

Anyone who says this never played other classes.

[Gadwen]

Your first mistake was assuming that it was a complimentary service. You are asking a player to spend their time doing something for you, it's a little selfish to assume that they should be doing it for nothing isn't it?

[Splorf22]

if you're level 58+ and you're not handing out 100-150p for a port/evac, you should just delete your accounts and stop playing Everquest.

I always give 35. I guess I'm a cheap asshole.

Also I really cannot imagine the OP is serious. If he has an actual character name, I definitely want to hear it.

[Swish]

Jingleson <Supremacy>

[Conky]

I don't get the Ranger hate, honestly. They're one of the games best classes. Incredible DPS, good survival, nice utility spells, a very cool and powerful Epic, and Tracking.

lol, you trollin hard now.

[Atmas]

Rangers aren't as bad as some people make them out to be. I know some people who do an awesome job at playing them and making use of their utility.

But the porting thing is straight trolling still. Semantics don't matter as much as the intent. People announce porting in OOC because they are out there trying to make money. Would you be just less mad if they said porting for plat?

[Relictor]

If you have something people want, never give it for free.

[fishingme]

TLdr this thread. I'll always pay 50-80pp for ports. You need to realize that the people who can port were the ones to level up their porting characters. Pretty simple

[Yanomamo]

I gave up porting Monks LONG time ago. They are all cheap asses lol. :D

Simple solution for any monks: Purchase and carry light weight gems. I prefer peridots as they are worth 10p. You can dole out tips for whatever amount you feel is appropriate. This is also super handy for convincing clerics to slap you with a symbol :)

I actually do this on any char who may have weight problems.

[Wudan]

if you're level 58+ and you're not handing out 100-150p for a port/evac, you should just delete your accounts and stop playing Everquest.

You sound like an elitist jerk... lvl 58+ does not = tons of money. Time = tons of money in EQ. 100p+ for port is a lot for most of the people except morons who have no life so they spend all their time playing EQ selling epic MQs. You should delete yourself irl. finger

[Ishio]

Let him pay 1cp or 1000cp when a donation sounds expected.

In the end, karma is the true currency that pays at heart and in life whether real or virtual. Not to sound like some spiritualist but I feel that if you treat others with respect and tip accordingly, you'll be repaid.

With this, I ask op, do you not feel the need to to servers, serving staff, bartenders, etc for their services as its a tip or donation?

[Jingleson]

Let him pay 1cp or 1000cp when a donation sounds expected.

In the end, karma is the true currency that pays at heart and in life whether real or virtual. Not to sound like some spiritualist but I feel that if you treat others with respect and tip accordingly, you'll be repaid.

With this, I ask op, do you not feel the need to to servers, serving staff, bartenders, etc for their services as its a tip or donation?

I'm happy to tip someone for their services when they aren't holding their hands out looking for a score.

[quido]

I always give 35. I guess I'm a cheap asshole.

If this is true, then you definitely are.

[DrKvothe]

If you're above level 20 and you don't tip at least 30pp, I don't see any reason the druid/wiz should ever answer your whispers in the future.

And not tipping someone as much because they refuse to provide their service for free to people with the means to pay is silly.

[Autotune]

I always give 35. I guess I'm a cheap asshole.

Also I really cannot imagine the OP is serious. If he has an actual character name, I definitely want to hear it.

all I ever did was log in and kill a raid dragon and sometimes run around like an idiot in random dungeons and I always made 500-1k in plat just goofing off.

Anyone around max level should be making enough to pay that much for ports.

[Autotune]

You sound like an elitist jerk... lvl 58+ does not = tons of money. Time = tons of money in EQ. 100p+ for port is a lot for most of the people except morons who have no life so they spend all their time playing EQ selling epic MQs. You should delete yourself irl. finger

You just sound like an idiot.

Anyone who fucking plays EQ and has hit 58+ has spent tons of time playing EQ.

100p+ is not anywhere close to "a lot" for a port.

[Nordenwatch]

I've participated in like 5 of these "port donation" threads.

Now 6.

[Andervin]

I've participated in like 5 of these "port donation" threads.

Now 6.

Participating in threads for donations! :D

[apio]

cant believe how many people went for this obv trollbait.

just goes to show, after a while the dumbness of TMO will rub off on the server

[Splorf22]

all I ever did was log in and kill a raid dragon and sometimes run around like an idiot in random dungeons and I always made 500-1k in plat just goofing off.

Anyone around max level should be making enough to pay that much for ports.

It's not that I couldn't pay 100p per port. Especially as Loraen is firepot bound so I really only buy ports on Sakuragi, and relatively infrequently.

I suppose I don't understand why I should pay more for a port because I'm level 60. It's not like Bill Gates pays more for groceries.

[Jingleson]

Nobody understands the point I was trying to make. So why bother anymore?

[Vexenu]

For a level 60 player, I'd consider a 100p tip generous. 50p would be average and not offensively low. Anything less than that and you're getting into cheapskate territory.

Just the reality on a server this old with so much plat floating around the high-end.

[Spitty]

Nobody understands the point I was trying to make. So why bother anymore?

No, most of it got it. You like to use semantics as a convenient excuse to chastise people looking for a little compensation for their time.

I wouldn't go so far as to call you an entitled piece of frosty dog shit, but I just did. Fucking using "free service" as if there are people playing this game whose sole purpose is to make your game easier.

[justin2090]

You just sound like an idiot.

Anyone who fucking plays EQ and has hit 58+ has spent tons of time playing EQ.

100p+ is not anywhere close to "a lot" for a port.

Getsome once donated me an item worth 1k for a port and then next port was a 500pp item. Still use them on my druid to this day but my druid is kinda retired atm.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

is this shit serious? the fuck is this 12 pages for.


I hear ya. The OP is new to the server and has already managed to find the deep end of the shit pool. Bravo, OP, bravo. +2 Forumquest for announcing you have a sandy vagina before you are even past level 10 in game.

[Cecily]

I pay 100p for ports, I get about 30p to port. Whatever. My elves are better off than most people's elves, so I'm just as likely to want them to save their money and buy themselves something nice for their elf. Honestly feel bad taking money from people.

[NegaStoat]

Nobody understands the point I was trying to make. So why bother anymore?

I caught the point you were trying to make - a player offering to teleport for donations is seen by yourself as a person that is misusing the word in that the player's expecting payment, and a donation is something granted from generosity rather than goods / services being exchanged.

That's a weak viewpoint at best when you stop and consider it from the view of the player that is teleporting. They have two choices - advertise that they are teleporting for a flat fee " Teleporting to X zones for 50pp a trip " or they advertise that they'll teleport you for an amount you can afford or feel that is reasonable " Teleporting to X Zones, donations appreciated "

If they go for the first choice, they face the backlash of people being upset with their quoted flat fee at times as being too expensive. Again, they miss the point that the player could be off farming plat at a camp, but that's even more time wasted trying to explain it to them.

If they go for the second choice, they don't run that risk while at the same time, remind people with their phrasing that what they're doing has an implied value attached to it.

I'll commend you for the initial troll post - you got a great response. I'll mock you for the remainder of your replies though as you unrealistically dodge the core of the issue as it suits your purpose.

[Jingleson]

No, most of it got it. You like to use semantics as a convenient excuse to chastise people looking for a little compensation for their time.

I wouldn't go so far as to call you an entitled piece of frosty dog shit, but I just did. Fucking using "free service" as if there are people playing this game whose sole purpose is to make your game easier.

Well fuck you too. I'll happily pay someone for their time if they're not a greedy bastard looking for a handout just because they feel they're entitled to something for their time.

[Alorae]

So who won?

[Spitty]

Well fuck you too. I'll happily pay someone for their time if they're not a greedy bastard looking for a handout just because they feel they're entitled to something for their time.

So it's only OK to pay someone for their time when it's you deciding that compensation is warranted, is that it? It's wrong when the other party thinks they should be compensated and feels it appropriate to inform you prior to entering the transaction, am I right?

Just helping clarify your position since apparently nobody understands the point you are trying to make. I mean, you'd pay for a rez - right?

[justin2090]

Well fuck you too. I'll happily pay someone for their time if they're not a greedy bastard looking for a handout just because they feel they're entitled to something for their time.

I just don't know what to say to this.

[Jingleson]

So it's only OK to pay someone for their time when it's you deciding that compensation is warranted, is that it? It's wrong when the other party thinks they should be compensated and feels it appropriate to inform you prior to entering the transaction, am I right?

Just helping clarify your position since apparently nobody understands the point you are trying to make. I mean, you'd pay for a rez - right?

No, it's not wrong for the other party to feel they should be compensated, as long as they make it known that they want compensation in the form of actual compensation, aka a fee, a bill, a charge, a PRICE. A DONATION is improper usage of such, and is fraudulent behavior, a form of scamming.

[Alorae]

A DONATION is improper usage of such, and is fraudulent behavior, a form of scamming.

lol

[Spitty]

No, it's not wrong for the other party to feel they should be compensated, as long as they make it known that they want compensation in the form of actual compensation, aka a fee, a bill, a charge, a PRICE. A DONATION is improper usage of such, and is fraudulent behavior, a form of scamming.

I refer you to my first post. You're entering a war against decency and fairness with a weak semantics argument as your shield and a giant dickish attitude as your sword.

Good luck with that battle, buddy. You should explain your thoughts on the matter to each and every person you ask for a port, rez or buff. Fight the good fight.

[Darkpretzel]

I so want to drop this guy off in tox and /ignore him.

[Alorae]

I so want to drop this guy off in tox and /ignore him.

10k to whoever does this and reports back here with the screenshots of his raging tells.

[Jingleson]

I refer you to my first post. You're entering a war against decency and fairness with a weak semantics argument as your shield and a giant dickish attitude as your sword.

Good luck with that battle, buddy. You should explain your thoughts on the matter to each and every person you ask for a port, rez or buff. Fight the good fight.

That's what the /report command is for.

[orsk]

As a warrior who played a warrior on live and will always play a warrior I very much appreciate any buffage or ports. I got no issues with people asking for tips, hell on live there was people who would sit at the bazaar bank and the PoK bank and sell buff for set prices, i had no issue paying a few sales of fine steel weps for the service. I always try and overtip to be honest.

[Darkpretzel]

That's what the /report command is for.

good luck with that

[Spitty]

That's what the /report command is for.

You're either mind-blowingly unaware of what an idiot you are, or you just gave yourself away with this one.

[Jingleson]

You're either mind-blowingly unaware of what an idiot you are, or you just gave yourself away with this one.

I ask for a port to WC, and they drop me off at Tox and /ignore me? That's griefing. Unless harrassment is legal on this server.

[Darkpretzel]

Now someone HAS to do it.

[orsk]

I ask for a port to WC, and they drop me off at Tox and /ignore me? That's griefing. Unless harrassment is legal on this server.

whats your in chars name man?

[Darkpretzel]

the best part is its Jingleson

[Jingleson]

whats your in chars name man?

Jingleson

[Spitty]

I ask for a port to WC, and they drop me off at Tox and /ignore me? That's griefing. Unless harrassment is legal on this server.

You quoted me, even though (and I've read the last two pages which contain the entirety of my posts in your thread to confirm this) I never once mentioned or suggested doing this to you.

This, sir, is why you fail.

[Jingleson]

You quoted me, even though (and I've read the last two pages which contain the entirety of my posts in your thread to confirm this) I never once mentioned or suggested doing this to you.

This, sir, is why you fail.

Someone else did though. I can tell you had the idea in your head.

[Alorae]

18 page thread about a guy mad over semantics.

[Darkpretzel]

I take it you are Anti-Semantic then Alorae?

[Spitty]

Someone else did though. I can tell you had the idea in your head.

How about some more of quoting other people, and less of pretending you can fucking read thoughts over the internet, champ?

You aren't worth the effort to come up with a plan to grief you, let alone actually invest the time in carrying out such a plan. Plus, I can do without the dozen threads about how I'm a horrible person that would inevitably spew forth from your outraged piehole.

[NegaStoat]

Someone else did though. I can tell you had the idea in your head.

Someone call the Feds, we have an unlicensed mind reader unleashing his awesome Telepathetic powers on an unsuspecting populous.

[Jingleson]

How about some more of quoting other people, and less of pretending you can fucking read thoughts over the internet, champ?

You aren't worth the effort to come up with a plan to grief you, let alone actually invest the time in carrying out such a plan. Plus, I can do without the dozen threads about how I'm a horrible person that would inevitably spew forth from your outraged piehole.

I wouldn't make a thread in that regard. That would be a matter for the GM's to decide, not the public.

[Darkpretzel]

Telepathetic.

[Spitty]

I wouldn't make a thread in that regard. That would be a matter for the GM's to decide, not the public.

Of course you would. You know you would.

Why? Because the offending party (herein referred to as The Porter) would, at worse, get a terse talking-to by a GM that's getting a secret kick out of the ol' Toxx port trick. Just don't do it again, they'd say, and The Porter would choke back their laughter and nod meekly.

Since this wouldn't fit your ideal vision of seeing The Porter drawn, quartered, tarred, feathered and ultimately perma-banned, you'd take it upon yourself to inform us, the public, about how there is a renegade druid or wizard running rampant on this server and how we are all in danger of getting sent to The Island™. Worst experience of your life, you'd say, and you're doing your part in making sure no-one else suffers the trauma and abuse you had to endure at the hands of The Porter.

See? Two can play this game of making shit up and pretending it's exactly what someone else is thinking.

[Jingleson]

Of course you would. You know you would.

Why? Because the offending party (herein referred to as The Porter) would, at worse, get a terse talking-to by a GM that's getting a secret kick out of the ol' Toxx port trick. Just don't do it again, they'd say, and The Porter would choke back their laughter and nod meekly.

Since this wouldn't fit your ideal vision of seeing The Porter drawn, quartered, tarred, feathered and ultimately perma-banned, you'd take it upon yourself to inform us, the public, about how there is a renegade druid or wizard running rampant on this server and how we are all in danger of getting sent to The Island™. Worst experience of your life, you'd say, and you're doing your part in making sure no-one else suffers the trauma and abuse you had to endure at the hands of The Porter.

See? Two can play this game of making shit up and pretending it's exactly what someone else is thinking.

Okay, maybe I would. But I've seen it work before. I played here in the past and falsely accused someone of multi-boxing because he was grouped with toons with almost identical names. He was cleared, but not before receiving a backlash of content from the community because of my public accusations.

[Darkpretzel]

"I'm sorry Mr. GM i clicked the wrong port then went linkdead. when I came back Jingleson was being extremely rude so i put him on ignore."

[Jingleson]

Okay, maybe I would. But I've seen it work before. I played here in the past and falsely accused someone of multi-boxing because he was grouped with toons with almost identical names. He was cleared, but not before receiving a backlash of content from the community because of my public accusations.

Case in point: http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=68005&highlight=boxing

[Spitty]

Way to blow something out of proportion.

Somebody lock this thread and put it away now.


You said that. You did.

I think it's perfectly applicable right here, right now.

Also, negative ten decency points for (a) false accusations made publicly before due process, and (b) trying to use that as a bargaining chip in the debate over whether or not you're out of your fucking mind.

[Darkpretzel]

that thread makes you look super cool

[Jingleson]

You said that. You did.

I think it's perfectly applicable right here, right now.

Also, negative ten decency points for (a) false accusations made publicly before due process, and (b) trying to use that as a bargaining chip in the debate over whether or not you're out of your fucking mind.

If you don't want to be civil about this I have an ignore box that could use some filling up. I had my reasons for suspecting him, and better to assume guilty until proven innocent.

[Darkpretzel]

OMG don't start ignoring us!

[Spitty]

If you don't want to be civil about this I have an ignore box that could use some filling up. I had my reasons for suspecting him, and better to assume guilty until proven innocent.

Fill up a fucking slot then.

You have absolutely no grounds on which to judge my civility. You create threads like this one, publicly denounce decent players because you suspect them of an offense, and apparently subscribe to a batshit insane policy of guilty-first prosecution.

Fill that fucking slot, guv'nor.

[Jingleson]

Fill up a fucking slot then.

You have absolutely no grounds on which to judge my civility. You create threads like this one, publicly denounce decent players because you suspect them of an offense, and apparently subscribe to a batshit insane policy of guilty-first prosecution.

Fill that fucking slot, guv'nor.

Alright, nob off you tosspot. Welcome to ignore.

And for those curious, my old name was Beaniron.

[Alorae]

It's getting personal now. This is great.

[Splorf22]

my old name was Beaniron.

this is an epic troll

[fuark]

this is an epic troll

beyond epic =)

[billw134]

IMO reroll.

[thieros]

Play a port class- once you port a few level 60's around who only tip 5-10p, you'll understand why most porters are permanently anon/roleplay. Required donation of 25p....you're greedy. Or...

Somenooborcheapsk8 tells you "Hi can i get a port and evac to EJ for CR?"
You tell Somenooborcheapsk8 "Sorry I am busy atm."
Somenooborcheapsk8 tells you "WTF man you can't take 1 min of your time to come port me?"

same holds true for rezzes. "donating for rez" click "XXXXX has offered you 68 gold" "Thanks man, sorry its all i got"

its easy enough to click and i generally turn down donations but its the principle of the thing! i judge people on how much they attempt to donate.

[Rellapse35]

Someone port Jingleson to Hate and leave em imo

[Darkpretzel]

IMO reroll.

[Jingleson]

Someone port Jingleson to Hate and leave em imo

Yes, port me to Hate so I can steal TMO's Inny loot.

[Vexenu]

I swear to God, I was reading the last few pages and thinking to myself, "You know, this guy sounds like Beaniron..."

Sure enough.

Trolled again.

[JackFlash]

epic troll.

[Loftus]

Has anyone ported this prick to BFE and chumped him yet?

I'd do it, but I don't have any porting characters.

[dethbringre]

Now I realize it's common courtesy to tip someone for buffs, revives, and ports. I always tip when I ask for any of these services (what I can afford, anyway), but the point is that it's technically a free service from most people and clients don't HAVE to tip if they don't want to. It's extremely petty and tacky, but they don't have to.

But I've run into a few people now that say things like "Porting for donations, at least 25pp" or "Will buff for tips." which gives the impression that they won't port you or buff you unless you give them a donation, turning a complimentary service into a paid one. I've even seen a few cases where newbies have been turned down for buffs or ports after asking politely for one, and I get the feeling it was because the people they were asking knew that they were broke and likely wouldn't have money for a donation.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for tipping someone who spends their time and mana to help you out, I always tip when I can, but when did donations turn into a MANDATORY thing? When did people start acting like "no donation? no port."?

Try finding a port on Red without at least 50pp. I can understand your concern on Blue that its a little tacky to request pp. Being as the only downside for the porter/buffer is a few mins of medding to regain lost mana. On Red its somewhat of a risk doing ports as you don't know who may be hanging out at the rings your porting into. Its a huge risk porting into DL blind thats for sure lol.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

So who won?

Nobody wins if we all go for the blond.

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/CemLiSI5ox8/maxresdefault.jpg

[Dirtnap]

Don't feel like reading all 21 pages of this thread buuuuut.

A donation is not mandatory, it is given freely.

What people should be saying is "Selling ports for X amount of pp."


If you are asking for donations, you can't be picky about how much you receive.

[a_gnoll_pup]

Having the freedom to do what you want is something that made EQ great.

[Alorae]

If you are asking for donations, you can't be picky about how much you receive.

Pretty sure they can. There's no law chiseled into stone that says you are required to click that port spell if the number in the trade window is not to your satisfaction.

[susvain0362]

OP started his trollings on page 17.

Truth is it was never about semantics, OP did not know what means till this thread. He used it as an out as opposed to looking like a sandy clam.

But yeah you totally trolled us!!!!

[susvain0362]

beyond epic =)

Didnt dude start the "trollings" until page 17. Very mad and embarrased he became.

Beaniron was a pally tho? I think i remember you made a thread asking for some hookups pixel packages for being a new player? I thought you were okay then :(

[Seilan]

I've been fortunate enough to have an overall great experience with ports and buffs so far. In fact, just the other night, my lowbie friend and I were looking for a port from EC to Tox. I noticed someone advertising that they were porting, so I asked what the going rate was for a port to Tox and that my friend and I didn't have much money to spend. He replied with, "How does free sound?" I told him we didn't mind tipping at least what we could and he then told me that he wouldn't port us unless HE tipped us! In all the years I spent playing this game on live, I don't think I've ever had that happen, haha. My friend and I not only got a free port, but also 50pp (and he even gave my friend a piece of gear for his enchanter.) I'm not going to give a name for obvious reasons, but lets just say I have a new found respect for gnome wizards, heh.

Anyway, that little anecdote doesn't negate the douchebaggery that might happen at times of course, but I figured I'd throw a positive experience in there. In the month that I've been playing here, I've met some very generous people, and I've lost count of the times I've received buffs without even asking so I'd like to think the shitty experiences are less prevalent than the opposite.

[Wudan]

You just sound like an idiot.

Anyone who fucking plays EQ and has hit 58+ has spent tons of time playing EQ.

100p+ is not anywhere close to "a lot" for a port.


It took me 2 years to get to lvl 60. I play casually. I dont really focus on making pp during the little play time I have, I focus on fun. I dont kill high end raid mobs, mostly because I play in odd hours and also because they are being farmed by nolifers 3rd alts. There is a lot of people like me. You know....people outside of your circle jerk "EQ is my job" club. Should I delete my account because I can only afford 30-50pp per port at lvl 60? Dont think so. You are elitist jerk. GTFO!

[webrunner5]

I swear to God, I was reading the last few pages and thinking to myself, "You know, this guy sounds like Beaniron..."

Sure enough.

Trolled again.

Nice catch. :D

[Kohedron]

Only read for first 10 pages or so.

My opinion may likely change on this since I've only bee in the porting world for 4 levels, but it's not even the people who donate little/nothing who bother me. This is also someone who isn't /anon and hasn't ever asked for a donation in any way.

It's the people who treat me like I'm some kind of servant boy who do bother me. Please let me know before I port us off somewhere that we need to wait for a rezzer to pick up or wait for something else to happen.

If I say I'm busy, that doesn't mean it turns into a game where you need to convince me how quick it will be and how much you'll donate.

Also, (most of the time) I won't do pick ups that involve me running. Please keep that in mind if you are sending me a tell from 1+ zones away.

But besides this, the vast majority of people have been totally cool.

[fadetree]

Porters suck anyway. They are lucky we even give them ANYTHING, much less a decent 'donation'. Really, we are doing them a favor since its the only way they will ever get a group at all, even though its brief. Thoughts? Too far? U mad? Please explain.

[HappyTr33z]

This has always pissed me off in MMOs, if a service requires a "donation", it's not a fucking donation. It's a fee. Donations are optional gifts of money or goods, a fee is a required payment made in exchange for goods or services.

[Andervin]

This has always pissed me off in MMOs, if a service requires a "donation", it's not a fucking donation. It's a fee. Donations are optional gifts of money or goods, a fee is a required payment made in exchange for goods or services.

Donations because it sounds better than platz and it implies that whatever you feel like "donating" is fine. e.g. a fresh n00b like me can't afford 100p for a port whereas someone with multiple 60s, that likely destroys 100p regularly because they're encumbered, can afford it. People really need to get the sand out of their pussies. Don't like it? Don't pay it. wtf? Quit worrying what other people are doing.

[Swish]

Someone gave me 6pp for a 96% rez once (in their 40s). Said he'd donate when I was in EC. Wasn't expecting anything huge and was bored watching auction spam.

I hammered to OT and ran to Kaesora, took a while. Corpse wasn't at the zoneline and the guy was still at his bind point (scumbag Steve). Does a cleric have the right to feel bitter about it? This could be another thread of course.

Druids get more for their time than most rezzing clerics, but they are popular as first characters because of the inflation here...some want pixels now, and dont want to have to level to 60 before they have enough plat to twink the toon they really want to play.

[myriverse]

You just sound like an idiot.

Anyone who fucking plays EQ and has hit 58+ has spent tons of time playing EQ.

100p+ is not anywhere close to "a lot" for a port.
You're a baldfaced liar, and you know it. That's not how the game works or ever worked. Plat does not flow like that.

[Abner]

Donations because it sounds better than platz and it implies that whatever you feel like "donating" is fine. e.g. a fresh n00b like me can't afford 100p for a port whereas someone with multiple 60s, that likely destroys 100p regularly because they're encumbered, can afford it. Don't like it? Don't pay it. wtf? Quit worrying what other people are doing.

Exactly. "Donations" merely means what you can afford. Simple deduction. I have paid 2pp for ports many times. My highest toon is level 12. No one has ever complained.

I have also taken the boat for free several times.

[Lagaidh]

I've only read the first post so far, but I must say, it is a wonderfully classic post.

Taxis have been operating since 1999 and this question has always gone with it.

[crkhobbit]

Now I realize it's common courtesy to tip someone for buffs, revives, and ports. I always tip when I ask for any of these services (what I can afford, anyway), but the point is that it's technically a free service from most people and clients don't HAVE to tip if they don't want to. It's extremely petty and tacky, but they don't have to.

But I've run into a few people now that say things like "Porting for donations, at least 25pp" or "Will buff for tips." which gives the impression that they won't port you or buff you unless you give them a donation, turning a complimentary service into a paid one. I've even seen a few cases where newbies have been turned down for buffs or ports after asking politely for one, and I get the feeling it was because the people they were asking knew that they were broke and likely wouldn't have money for a donation.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for tipping someone who spends their time and mana to help you out, I always tip when I can, but when did donations turn into a MANDATORY thing? When did people start acting like "no donation? no port."?

I've never played a druid or a wizard that was high enough level to port. I played a cleric in live, but never once buffed for a tip. I also never just sat around buffing people for no reason.

That being said, they have a service they can offer that people are willing to pay for. They choose to spend their time in the interest of offering that service with the explicit goal of making money. And they have the right to do so because they're not doing anything that hurts anyone and they don't owe anyone a thing. I spend my time how I choose and they can spend theirs how they choose.

No one owes you a goddamn thing. If you don't want to pay for a port, then you should "/ooc looking for a port for free because I am entitled and it doesn't cost you anything to port me".

This thread is fucking dumb.

[xexbis0]

GTFO with this nonsense and quit acting like you're time is more valuable than any porter that might go out of their way to port you. You want them to sit around and burn their mana and time for free? It is not "1 click". It's "1 click" and at least a minute of medding to get that mana back + the mana to gate back. 375 mana under level 40 is a lot of mana. Quit being a cheapskate. I donate at least 75p+whatever gold is on me for ports.

To the porters, easiest way to get around people that want free ports? Only port people that say "WTB Port" or "Donating for port".

[Fizgigg]

I typically tip anywhere from 30-60 plat depending on the circumstances (did they sow me, are there others riding with me, did they pick me up). When asking for a port I often roleplay the request too just to make it less boring for both parties. In such a small community it is better to build bridges and not walls :)

[HappyTr33z]

Donations because it sounds better than platz and it implies that whatever you feel like "donating" is fine. e.g. a fresh n00b like me can't afford 100p for a port whereas someone with multiple 60s, that likely destroys 100p regularly because they're encumbered, can afford it. People really need to get the sand out of their pussies. Don't like it? Don't pay it. wtf? Quit worrying what other people are doing.
What the fuck are you even talking about? Did you not understand what I said?

All I was saying was people need to learn fucking English.

I don't mind people charging a fee for doing ports, but calling it a donation isn't correct.

[Andervin]

What the fuck are you even talking about? Did you not understand what I said?

All I was saying was people need to learn fucking English.

I don't mind people charging a fee for doing ports, but calling it a donation isn't correct.

You don't sound like a happy tree. :(

[Spitty]

This has always pissed me off in MMOs, if a service requires a "donation", it's not a fucking donation. It's a fee. Donations are optional gifts of money or goods, a fee is a required payment made in exchange for goods or services.

Some services run on donations. If nobody donates, the services ceases to exist.

Does that mean those donations are technically fees? I mean, some kind of payment is required of somebody to continue the service.

[fadetree]

mmmmm the anger is strong


/popcorn

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

I personally see nothing wrong with someone who ports me asking for a little shellfish. A strange request, aye, but nothing to get angry about.

[Spitty]

Me, I'd shell out a few clams. Otterwise, it takes you ten times as long to get anywhere.

[Jingleson]

GTFO with this nonsense and quit acting like you're time is more valuable than any porter that might go out of their way to port you. You want them to sit around and burn their mana and time for free? It is not "1 click". It's "1 click" and at least a minute of medding to get that mana back + the mana to gate back. 375 mana under level 40 is a lot of mana. Quit being a cheapskate. I donate at least 75p+whatever gold is on me for ports.

To the porters, easiest way to get around people that want free ports? Only port people that say "WTB Port" or "Donating for port".

That's the ultimate indication of greed, someone who thinks they're entitled to charge money for their MANA. All they have to do is sit on their ass for 30 seconds and boom, mana back courtesy of Meditation. And it's not THEIR mana, it's the GAMES mana.

[bomaroast]

Calling it a donation is correct because the price is not specified. So you may give whatever you are capable of or feel is appropriate. I agree, this thread is retarded. Shit.. oh.. shit....

[indiscriminate_hater]

That's the ultimate indication of greed, someone who thinks they're entitled to charge money for their MANA. All they have to do is sit on their ass for 30 seconds and boom, mana back courtesy of Meditation. And it's not THEIR mana, it's the GAMES mana.

getting too reckless

[Spitty]

Yeah, should have waited another two or three pages for the troll powerup bar to reset.

[Jingleson]

Yeah, should have waited another two or three pages for the troll powerup bar to reset.

*shrug* I still can't believe people are posting, isn't 232 one-liners of this nonsense enough?

[Spitty]

*shrug* I still can't believe people are posting, isn't 232 one-liners of this nonsense enough?

Apparently not. Though I did enjoy a completely uncivil back-and-forth over such a mundane topic, old bean.

[Yanomamo]

Sigh...the saddest part is how many people subscribe to the same faulty semantics as this troll.

[Spitty]

Not me. I stand for truth, justice and the Antonican Way™.

I also like to be Spitulski Moneybags when it comes to paying porters so I don't have to sit on my ass in OT for more than 3 minutes, but that's just my approach to getting shit done.

[cs616]

That's the ultimate indication of greed, someone who thinks they're entitled to charge money for their MANA. All they have to do is sit on their ass for 30 seconds and boom, mana back courtesy of Meditation. And it's not THEIR mana, it's the GAMES mana.

Yea, you're ridiculous. What porters should be charging for is not mana or the port or any of that stuff, but the their time + the time they save you. It isn't like the person logs on and off to only port you, they take time out of their day to sit around advertising their service, so each port isn't just 30 seconds, it is a few minutes finding someone who wants a port, a few minutes waiting for that person to get there, and then a few minutes medding back up. On top of the time they are investing, they're also saving you likely upwards of 30 minutes of travel time. At a minimum that should justify 50pp, porters accepting anything below 50pp is charity imo.

Ports are a convenience. The only reason they are the primary mode of long distance travel in this game is because we have so many people willing to sell their time porting the rest of us around. If you don't like the way they advertise their services, don't use them, but don't act like you're entitled to a single thing from any other player - because you aren't.

Calling someone who wants to be compensated for their time greedy is ridiculous, you are ridiculous, and you should feel bad about yourself.

[fishingme]

What the fuck are you even talking about? Did you not understand what I said?

All I was saying was people need to learn fucking English.

I don't mind people charging a fee for doing ports, but calling it a donation isn't correct.

Calling it a donation is correct because there's no set price to donate. (Take a look at charities or the red Santa shit outside food stores) a fee is a set price.

[Jingleson]

Calling it a donation is correct because there's no set price to donate. (Take a look at charities or the red Santa shit outside food stores) a fee is a set price.

It doesn't matter if it's a set price or not, the fact that you're forced to pay ANYTHING to receive the port is bogus.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

TL;DR:
- OP is a pedant.
- P99 community largely full of Jesus disciples.
- Scrooge McDuck is rare, not the norm.
- Porting for donations the rule of the land and classic as fuck.
- Please and thank you still #1 rules (tied).

[Autotune]

It took me 2 years to get to lvl 60. I play casually. I dont really focus on making pp during the little play time I have, I focus on fun. I dont kill high end raid mobs, mostly because I play in odd hours and also because they are being farmed by nolifers 3rd alts. There is a lot of people like me. You know....people outside of your circle jerk "EQ is my job" club. Should I delete my account because I can only afford 30-50pp per port at lvl 60? Dont think so. You are elitist jerk. GTFO!

You played for 2 years and still don't know how to make plat, even if you only play for fun, your plat would start to build up unless you're an idiot and waste it constantly.

Killing high end content doesn't make you rich, in fact, most of the people who do it lose money raiding.

Like I said, I always made a minimum of 500p just goofing off in zones when I played. Most of the time I could make much more.

You are just making excuses to be a cheap piece of shit. Tipping 100p or higher has always made it so I could get ports regularly. Then sad fucks like you come along and complain when you try to tip a porter 20p and they won't waste their time on you.

If you aren't willing to tip the right % for your level, you should just stop playing or ride the boat like the welfare elf you are.

You're a baldfaced liar, and you know it. That's not how the game works or ever worked. Plat does not flow like that.

another cheapskate loser trying to justify his jewness.

[Spitty]

I will have to agree with you.

Anyone in a group 51+ is getting plat drops constantly. You see a Ruby Crown? Loot that ish. Bam, there's two ports paid for at 75pp+ with the added bonus of you not being a douche to porters.

That's pretty much my MO, btw, except I just give the porter a plat loot or two. They sell em to the druid vendors and I end up with more bag space. Works great.

[Jingleson]

You played for 2 years and still don't know how to make plat, even if you only play for fun, your plat would start to build up unless you're an idiot and waste it constantly.

Killing high end content doesn't make you rich, in fact, most of the people who do it lose money raiding.

Like I said, I always made a minimum of 500p just goofing off in zones when I played. Most of the time I could make much more.

You are just making excuses to be a cheap piece of shit. Tipping 100p or higher has always made it so I could get ports regularly. Then sad fucks like you come along and complain when you try to tip a porter 20p and they won't waste their time on you.

If you aren't willing to tip the right % for your level, you should just stop playing or ride the boat like the welfare elf you are.



another cheapskate loser trying to justify his jewness.

Wow, you really are a hauty trust fund baby piece of shit, aren't you? Donation implies at the players discretion. If the player wants to tip 1cp, the porter has no right to complain or challenge it because he/she didn't specify a specific amount, or a minimum.

You, sir, are wrong. Go wipe your ass with sandpaper.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

You played for 2 years and still don't know how to make plat, even if you only play for fun, your plat would start to build up unless you're an idiot and waste it constantly.

Killing high end content doesn't make you rich, in fact, most of the people who do it lose money raiding.

Like I said, I always made a minimum of 500p just goofing off in zones when I played. Most of the time I could make much more.

You are just making excuses to be a cheap piece of shit. Tipping 100p or higher has always made it so I could get ports regularly. Then sad fucks like you come along and complain when you try to tip a porter 20p and they won't waste their time on you.

If you aren't willing to tip the right % for your level, you should just stop playing or ride the boat like the welfare elf you are.



another cheapskate loser trying to justify his jewness.

Gonna have to disagree with you here. At 55 unless I'm in Seb or soloing some sweet cash camp I'm not making 500p screwing around. In addition, you are highly unlikely to keep your plat donating 100p a port or more.

Your mileage may vary but for most people in xp camps it's not going to be the case.

<-- donates between 35p and 50p per port.

[Spitty]

UNCIVIL DISCOURSE ROUND TWO INC.

[Gadwen]

Wow, you really are a hauty trust fund baby piece of shit, aren't you? Donation implies at the players discretion. If the player wants to tip 1cp, the porter has no right to complain or challenge it because he/she didn't specify a specific amount, or a minimum.

You, sir, are wrong. Go wipe your ass with sandpaper.

A P99 platinum trust fund? Sounds awesome, I am going to set one up for my kids.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

I think whether we donate 30p for a port or 300p for a port we can all agree OP is an sperg lord troll with strong lawyerism tendencies.

Thread is Lulzy with all the mad going on.

[Jingleson]

I think whether we donate 30p for a port or 300p for a port we can all agree OP is an sperg lord troll with strong lawyerism tendencies.

Thread is Lulzy with all the mad going on.

These people are eating their own. I'm not spurring this on at all. I've made my case.

[Spitty]

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