Lol, this isn't going to change anything.

[Heartbeats]

The "top" guilds were cheating and exploiting from day one on this server. I guarantee you the next "top" guild cheats and exploits, too.

Lol @ the notion that "the community is going to come together to play nice and share raid content now." False. Just like with cheats and exploits, the "top" guilds before TMO were all about poopsocking and cockblocking, and the next ones will be, too. I also completely agree with a comment I read in some other thread, if Velious is released without raid content it's just gonna bring the poopsocking and cockblocking down to the non-raid scene, which would be totally lame.

What I don't really understand is what is the point of raiding and shit when you're already duping stuff, or vice versa?

Anyway, that seems to be the thing people will do. I'm not here to defend TMO, or pass judgment on them either, as my knowledge of whatever has been going on is limited to what I've read on the forums. What I will say is don't get your hopes up, 'tards, cuz nothing is going to change. I'm sure the server thought it was headed in a brave new direction when IB left for eqmac and TMO took their place as #1 guild.

At least I have an excuse to keep playing Civ V, which has had me hooked this week (BNW expansion makes it really good) instead of logging in to track mobs or w/e else this weekend. Peace, bitches.

[Itap]

Shut the FUCK up

[Gaffin 3.0]

Shut the FUCK up

[Heartbeats]

Shut the FUCK up

Damn that was fast, and angry. Do you give it to your dog the same way?

[heazels]

The "top" guilds were cheating and exploiting from day one on this server. I guarantee you the next "top" guild cheats and exploits, too.

Lol @ the notion that "the community is going to come together to play nice and share raid content now." False. Just like with cheats and exploits, the "top" guilds before TMO were all about poopsocking and cockblocking, and the next ones will be, too. I also completely agree with a comment I read in some other thread, if Velious is released without raid content it's just gonna bring the poopsocking and cockblocking down to the non-raid scene, which would be totally lame.

What I don't really understand is what is the point of raiding and shit when you're already duping stuff, or vice versa?

Anyway, that seems to be the thing people will do. I'm not here to defend TMO, or pass judgment on them either, as my knowledge of whatever has been going on is limited to what I've read on the forums. What I will say is don't get your hopes up, 'tards, cuz nothing is going to change. I'm sure the server thought it was headed in a brave new direction when IB left for eqmac and TMO took their place as #1 guild.

At least I have an excuse to keep playing Civ V, which has had me hooked this week (BNW expansion makes it really good) instead of logging in to track mobs or w/e else this weekend. Peace, bitches.

only if your in it, your attitude will help it come to pass

[Gaffin 3.0]

going to change alot, mark my words

[Gaffin 3.0]

already has if you havent noticed. people are getting their final epic pieces, raids are being done people could hardly ever do.

[Daldolma]

bunch of bitter ex tmo's promising their vacuum will be filled with a new batch of no lifers

p funny

[Itap]

Damn that was fast, and angry. Do you give it to your dog the same way?

I give it to your mom the same way, fucking faggot

[Kagatob]

Shut the FUCK up

[dwightgeary]

I give it to your mom the same way, fucking faggot

Hahaha

[Rellapse36]

Shut the FUCK up

[Prismaticshop]

The "top" guilds were cheating and exploiting from day one on this server. I guarantee you the next "top" guild cheats and exploits, too.

Lol @ the notion that "the community is going to come together to play nice and share raid content now." False. Just like with cheats and exploits, the "top" guilds before TMO were all about poopsocking and cockblocking, and the next ones will be, too. I also completely agree with a comment I read in some other thread, if Velious is released without raid content it's just gonna bring the poopsocking and cockblocking down to the non-raid scene, which would be totally lame.

What I don't really understand is what is the point of raiding and shit when you're already duping stuff, or vice versa?

Anyway, that seems to be the thing people will do. I'm not here to defend TMO, or pass judgment on them either, as my knowledge of whatever has been going on is limited to what I've read on the forums. What I will say is don't get your hopes up, 'tards, cuz nothing is going to change. I'm sure the server thought it was headed in a brave new direction when IB left for eqmac and TMO took their place as #1 guild.

At least I have an excuse to keep playing Civ V, which has had me hooked this week (BNW expansion makes it really good) instead of logging in to track mobs or w/e else this weekend. Peace, bitches.


Peace, bitch! and never come back.

[Brad_mo123]

This saying "killing raid mobs that you don't need just to block others" does not exist. The turn over rate on the server is extremely high and that means many people come and go quickly. There is always atleast 1 person who needs an item from one of the mobs, even if it's a new member, they are still in the guild so why not put someone with your guild tag ahead of any other guild. Sure, banks get filled with items that sit there forever but those are not the only items that drop and they can also be turned into platinum to fund cleric dots, necro rezes, and port stones. Killing a boss just to block someone is just an uneducated hissy fit because you can't compete.

[Brad_mo123]

This saying "killing raid mobs that you don't need just to block others" does not exist. The turn over rate on the server is extremely high and that means many people come and go quickly. There is always atleast 1 person who needs an item from one of the mobs, even if it's a new member, they are still in the guild so why not put someone with your guild tag ahead of any other guild. Sure, banks get filled with items that sit there forever but those are not the only items that drop off whatever boss and they can also be turned into platinum to fund cleric dots, necro rezes, and port stones. Killing a boss just to block someone is just an uneducated hissy fit because you can't compete.

[smokingtrees]

Shut the FUCK up

[kotton05]

Shut the FUCK up

[Heartbeats]

bunch of bitter ex tmo's promising their vacuum will be filled with a new batch of no lifers

p funny

What? I took like a two year break from the server, and only came back within the last month and a half. I was absent for pretty much the duration of TMO dominance. My main doesn't even have his epic. If anything, I'm relieved that I'm no longer committed to what amounts to a second full-time job that pays in pixels (or not in my case, since I only have like 8dkp or whatever).

Look at Nihilum on Red. Officers in that guild were banned for MQ and other cheating shenanigans from Blue in like 2010. This shit is nothing new. My advice to anyone who wants to cheat and exploit with impunity is to go play Red, where apparently that shit is allowed. That still doesn't mean people won't do it on Blue as well, and the people who do will have an advantage over the people who don't (that's why it's called cheating!), subsequently rising to the top.

[Tiggles]

What? I took like a two year break from the server, and only came back within the last month and a half. I was absent for pretty much the duration of TMO dominance. My main doesn't even have his epic. If anything, I'm relieved that I'm no longer committed to what amounts to a second full-time job that pays in pixels (or not in my case, since I only have like 8dkp or whatever).

Look at Nihilum on Red. Officers in that guild were banned for MQ and other cheating shenanigans from Blue in like 2010. This shit is nothing new. My advice to anyone who wants to cheat and exploit with impunity is to go play Red, where apparently that shit is allowed. That still doesn't mean people won't do it on Blue as well, and the people who do will have an advantage over the people who don't (that's why it's called cheating!), subsequently rising to the top.

Should of stopped posting after your first thread last week.

[SyanideGas]

Fuck that noise.

[Heartbeats]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjCHD41I7ok

[Gaffin 3.0]

gimme me your ranger, love that name

[Skittlez]

going to change alot, mark my words

The only thing I am marking is you inability to spell a lot correctly.

[Abbot]

Shut the FUCK up

[Skittlez]

Your*

[Kraftwerk]

I thought i recognized this forum handle.

Bitch in 2010, bitch in 2013, predicted bitch in 2014:

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7998

[xatmakin]

Heartbeats dont worry about iTap. He's one of those Indignation losers who has a guild leader who trains his own guild and blames it on TMO. Then does it AGAIN in front of a guide! LOL

[justin2090]

The "top" guilds were cheating and exploiting from day one on this server. I guarantee you the next "top" guild cheats and exploits, too.

Lol @ the notion that "the community is going to come together to play nice and share raid content now." False. Just like with cheats and exploits, the "top" guilds before TMO were all about poopsocking and cockblocking, and the next ones will be, too. I also completely agree with a comment I read in some other thread, if Velious is released without raid content it's just gonna bring the poopsocking and cockblocking down to the non-raid scene, which would be totally lame.

What I don't really understand is what is the point of raiding and shit when you're already duping stuff, or vice versa?

Anyway, that seems to be the thing people will do. I'm not here to defend TMO, or pass judgment on them either, as my knowledge of whatever has been going on is limited to what I've read on the forums. What I will say is don't get your hopes up, 'tards, cuz nothing is going to change. I'm sure the server thought it was headed in a brave new direction when IB left for eqmac and TMO took their place as #1 guild.

At least I have an excuse to keep playing Civ V, which has had me hooked this week (BNW expansion makes it really good) instead of logging in to track mobs or w/e else this weekend. Peace, bitches.

Today's raid targets were evenly distributed among guilds! What a great cycle in recent p99 history!

Sev- Divinity
Talendor - Divinity
VS- IB/FE
Trak- IB/FE
Gore- IB/FE
CT- BDA
OoA - Taken
Inny- Taken
draco- bda
fay- Taken
Noble - A-Team
vox - BDA/ni
naggy - IB/FE
dojo - A-Team
hand - A-Team/Taken

Looks like all the cheaters got banned or raid suspended.

[sanforce]

GMs are really pouring salt into TMOs wounds with these repops - well timed right after PD spawned. grats all

[Versager]

At least you should gather some informations before you slap Rogean....

VP did not respawn on this server respawn.

[Asap]

Heartbeats dont worry about iTap. He's one of those Indignation losers who has a guild leader who trains his own guild and blames it on TMO. Then does it AGAIN in front of a guide! LOL

Look heartbeats, your boyfriend came to stick up for you

[Alarti0001]

Look heartbeats, your boyfriend came to stick up for you

Look iTap, your boyfriend came to stick up for you

[radditsu]

Look iTap, your boyfriend came to stick up for you

poor alarti

[Nirgon]

Evenly distributed:


VS- IB/FE
Trak- IB/FE

[Frogie305]

Evenly distributed:

[Frogie305]

VS- FE
Trak- IB
^^^^ Fixed it.


Evenly distributed:

[Raavak]

Evenly distributed:
VS- IB/FE
Trak- IB/FE
Its like slaves cheering for their new masters. But we got new collars. New hammers for breaking rocks. Yay for us!

[Nirgon]

Still need Rogean to declare no training in VP and CSR involvement in zone.

[Ele]

Still need Rogean to declare no training in VP and CSR involvement in zone.

Did you miss this?

The no interference policy for Veeshan's Peak has been removed. Regular raid policies now apply.

[Raavak]

Shhhh stop exposing the truth. You are risking getting banned.

[Raavak]

Did you miss this?He is just implying (rightfully) there is a reasoning why the rule changed and when it did.

[Yapas]

People on this forum believes too much in Disney or Dora the explorer.

I cannot wait the first QQ from BDA & other guilds when they will realize that FE/IB will vampirize 80% of contents (without be able to kill Nexona & Hoshkar even if they continue to raid together). You will only have bones without any meat on it, the new virginity of IB will fall soon :)

[baramur]

Yapas your stupidity has no limits. When i believe you cannot be any more of a dumbass you go and up the game. TMO monopolized 98 percent of the content for 2 years, doing so by training, cheating, and leap frogging any guild, then acting like they are the white knights. FE/IB is bringing the server and raid scene together to try to come up with a solution that breeds both competition and also lets guilds enjoy end game raid content. You my friends are a moron and always will be. You try to spin how bad an impact tmo has been to this server, and how they have cockblocked everyone else from truely enjoying end game raid content. Do us a favor, go jump off something tall.

[hatelore]

People on this forum believes too much in Disney or Dora the explorer.

I cannot wait the first QQ from BDA & other guilds when they will realize that FE/IB will vampirize 80% of contents (without be able to kill Nexona & Hoshkar even if they continue to raid together). You will only have bones without any meat on it, the new virginity of IB will fall soon :)

Correct me if im wrong but... Aren't you the former bda turncoat pussy who left for pixels? Oh wait, yeah.. You are. Lol

[Nirgon]

I'm just more morried about every "TMO" thread being repeated with FE/IB instead really.

When all the fun of being anti-TMO and "sticking it to them" fades.. all I see is the implementation of the endangered species mob list actually in effect and the #2 guild taking the big stuff still.

That said, I'm very happy to see the new guilds getting targets appropriate for their progression. I would hope that will stay the same, I guess, whether TMO mains still need items from those mobs or not (??). TMO mains not meaning the "lifers" you dread on the RNF forums but their new applicants (yes they have them, and didn't dupe plat or ever share their account with someone who did) still needing things like BCG/White Dragon Cloak/dragon bags.

Repeating the point and where I don't see a solution that benefits everyone: Items like White Dragon Cloak/Tobrins/BCG are still needed by mains (TMO has new mains that join ...) I would think in every guild. Should applicants join one of the lower (no offense) guilds to wait their turn for these items before apping TMO? If so, should TMO be the "only need PD loot" guild? Kind of just turns the whole system into something where you graduate from one guild to the next and certain mobs are reserved for certain guilds. Doesn't make a ton of sense to me, but the normalized raid times would be GOOD for everyone's sanity even if it effectively means less mobs spawn every year.

From the economic perspective, less items flooding the server is a good thing even if it means people go without when trying to preserve a more classic economy. I'd like to see a report of how many RBBs/Cloak of Flames exist in the wild today... and how many at most it would be possible to drop on a server following a true classic timeline.

[Nirgon]

more worried* :P

[Yapas]

Yapas your stupidity has no limits. When i believe you cannot be any more of a dumbass you go and up the game. TMO monopolized 98 percent of the content for 2 years, doing so by training, cheating, and leap frogging any guild, then acting like they are the white knights. FE/IB is bringing the server and raid scene together to try to come up with a solution that breeds both competition and also lets guilds enjoy end game raid content. You my friends are a moron and always will be. You try to spin how bad an impact tmo has been to this server, and how they have cockblocked everyone else from truely enjoying end game raid content. Do us a favor, go jump off something tall.

I am not spining at all, could you please tell me how was IB domination before TMO took the lead please ? before our suspension could you also confirm me that FE/IB got suspended for 5 days for raid interference ? and now you want to push people that only TMO was the bad "guy".. Come on...

Also you should blame Dev's team for Kunark, it is not TMO fault if Velious still a mirage for couple years

If Rogean/Nilb/ or any GM's got enough "wisdom" to ask TMO to make a rotation etc, I am pretty sure that Zeelot & officiers prolly have accepted. They just waited the good opportunity (Internode Froovy + using some pretext to hide their weakness) + GM's leaks

Froovy/Internode/Crazyeyes deserved their punishment but do not be hypocrit, some IB used SEQ/MQ during long times and got "temp" banned (and some of us are back).

Tbh I am expecting nothing from GM's & Dev's cause historically they got some corrupted people in there, I will not talk about their actual situation cause the actual nazi rules in forum prevent any attack against them.

[Roku]

Its like slaves cheering for their new masters. But we got new collars. New hammers for breaking rocks. Yay for us!

Fancy the ones answering batphones at all hours of the day/night calling those who don't 'slaves'. Sometimes it's more difficult to recognize the chains that we put on ourselves.

[Yapas]

Yapas your stupidity has no limits. When i believe you cannot be any more of a dumbass you go and up the game. TMO monopolized 98 percent of the content for 2 years, doing so by training, cheating, and leap frogging any guild, then acting like they are the white knights. FE/IB is bringing the server and raid scene together to try to come up with a solution that breeds both competition and also lets guilds enjoy end game raid content. You my friends are a moron and always will be. You try to spin how bad an impact tmo has been to this server, and how they have cockblocked everyone else from truely enjoying end game raid content. Do us a favor, go jump off something tall.

Correct me if im wrong but... Aren't you the former bda turncoat pussy who left for pixels? Oh wait, yeah.. You are. Lol

Look like you missed the "train" ! I left cause this guild some people acted as pure douche bag, Hightowerxx, Chest, Shinko the paranoid & few others, also my brain should be too high to be enough receptive to bda wash brain workshop

[Messianic]

...

Butthurt detected

[hatelore]

Fancy the ones answering batphones at all hours of the day/night calling those who don't 'slaves'. Sometimes it's more difficult to recognize the chains that we put on ourselves.

Qft

[hatelore]

Look like you missed the "train" ! I left cause this guild some people acted as pure douche bag, Hightowerxx, Chest, Shinko the paranoid & few others, also my brain should be too high to be enough receptive to bda wash brain workshop

My shinko chest wash brain is just fine you gotdam mental midget.

[Nirgon]

So TMO should be allowed to kill Draco/Gore in the future if they reform? Yes/no? This knocks against Rogean thinking all of this loot is destroyed or not needed 2 years later, or done just to prevent others from getting it.

Taken/Divinity get next crack at Trak? Yes/no? This knocks against improvement in the raid scene rather than just the #2 guild moving up in position with TMO gone.

Even if they do not reform fully, take advantage of this opportunity to address the real problems and make sure the right things happen.

[Raavak]

Don't think you know what a slave is. But then it appears you are missing the whole point. No wonder you are in the situation you are in...

[Alarti0001]

So TMO should be allowed to kill Draco/Gore in the future if they reform? Yes/no? This knocks against Rogean thinking all of this loot is destroyed or not needed 2 years later, or done just to prevent others from getting it.

Taken/Divinity get next crack at Trak? Yes/no? This knocks against improvement in the raid scene rather than just the #2 guild moving up in position with TMO gone.

Even if they do not reform fully, take advantage of this opportunity to address the real problems and make sure the right things happen.

Real problem = 1000+ Players waiting on new content.

[Alarti0001]

I'm just more morried about every "TMO" thread being repeated with FE/IB instead really.

When all the fun of being anti-TMO and "sticking it to them" fades.. all I see is the implementation of the endangered species mob list actually in effect and the #2 guild taking the big stuff still.

That said, I'm very happy to see the new guilds getting targets appropriate for their progression. I would hope that will stay the same, I guess, whether TMO mains still need items from those mobs or not (??). TMO mains not meaning the "lifers" you dread on the RNF forums but their new applicants (yes they have them, and didn't dupe plat or ever share their account with someone who did) still needing things like BCG/White Dragon Cloak/dragon bags.

Repeating the point and where I don't see a solution that benefits everyone: Items like White Dragon Cloak/Tobrins/BCG are still needed by mains (TMO has new mains that join ...) I would think in every guild. Should applicants join one of the lower (no offense) guilds to wait their turn for these items before apping TMO? If so, should TMO be the "only need PD loot" guild? Kind of just turns the whole system into something where you graduate from one guild to the next and certain mobs are reserved for certain guilds. Doesn't make a ton of sense to me, but the normalized raid times would be GOOD for everyone's sanity even if it effectively means less mobs spawn every year.

From the economic perspective, less items flooding the server is a good thing even if it means people go without when trying to preserve a more classic economy. I'd like to see a report of how many RBBs/Cloak of Flames exist in the wild today... and how many at most it would be possible to drop on a server following a true classic timeline.

TMO is working on a raid system that is both "fair & balanced"

[MaksimMazor]

I'd be fine with only killing PD

[Kagatob]

Shut the fuck up Alarti. Nobody believes nor cares about a goddamn fucking thing you have to say.

Yapas, you are the one who doesn't know what the fuck slavery is. Just because you don't have a job in the real world doesn't mean you've avoided becoming a slave in your own pathetic machine you coveted so much.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5UjF1eWb86k/TqQOZEuh4eI/AAAAAAAAATg/bwN3VIhAwcg/s1600/Hina+Spin.gif
Spin more.

[Nirgon]

Real problem = 1000+ Players waiting on new content.

Yeah, and the community is being left to pull its hair out and resolve a "fair" system (old mobs are still dropping best in slot for new blood to all guilds, even if they are easy to kill).

On a true classic time line, these problems would be GREATLY alleviated. But you must make due.

[Yapas]

Yapas, you are the one who doesn't know what the fuck slavery is

lol'ed hard thanks :)

[Autotune]

you're all maggots.

[Nirgon]

Shut the fuck up Alarti. Nobody believes nor cares about a goddamn fucking thing you have to say.


Of course he's extremely biased towards his own interests. However, outside of trolling he routinely makes valid, objective statements if you don't read everything with a "god I hate that guy" lense. You should go check out Ele's post from EQ heads regarding "everyone getting their epic". The nail gets hit squarely on the head, despite the real SPINNING I see on these forums from the "socialists" who don't put in as much time and effort.

A system that is "fair to everyone" should reward organization and dedication, not people complaining with their hands out.

[Hitpoint]

He is just implying (rightfully) there is a reasoning why the rule changed and when it did.

Because the players got together and decided they were sick of that BS and the staff agrees?

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131739

[Nirgon]

Best guild's revolving door of applicants requires current best in slot gear from mobs deemed easy (4 years later) by the community. Shocker.

[Raavak]

Ya ain't that smert, R ya Hitpoint. Its okay, we still love ya.

[Alarti0001]

Yeah, and the community is being left to pull its hair out and resolve a "fair" system (old mobs are still dropping best in slot for new blood to all guilds, even if they are easy to kill).

On a true classic time line, these problems would be GREATLY alleviated. But you must make due.

Have multiple player types on the server with multiple goals and multiple styles of play.
Rotations have no real viability as they punish the uber guilds and promote minimized raid guilds. Its not a good solution after 4 years of variance.

EQ is based on mob scarcity. Every loot or achievement has meaning because of the lack of people who have done or have looted *this*.

The problem is Classic wasn't designed to have 1000+ able raiders exist on 18 or so raid mobs.

The only way to have enough raid mobs for the current server is probably twice-weekly repops. But, that just explodes the amount of loot on the server, and de-values the massive effort guilds like IB/FE/TMO and to a smaller extent Taken/Bda have put into the scene.

Does anyone disagree that effort should be rewarded?

Another option is to add instancing(if its even possible). But, that isn't classic EQ and removes competition which alienates a good 300+ of our most-active and long term players.

Maybe a third option is to Beef up some mobs. 32kHP dragons is a trivial concept for any guild on the server who puts in a bit of time to get some numbers and resist gear. This also isn't classic but it might provide some form of tier system and alleviate the boredom of 18 second kills.

Velious, in a big way, will alleviate much of this raid problem. Less scarcity, and significantly tougher mobs, not to mention 4-5 armor farms, plus an opening up of current Kunark lockdown.

Maybe a solution is to petition Nilbog to allow more people to help him dev. Velious KEEPS being extended in a large part to Dev's availability. I know there are many many people here who would be able to help this project, even if only an hour a day.

[Alarti0001]

Of course he's extremely biased towards his own interests. However, outside of trolling he routinely makes valid, objective statements if you don't read everything with a "god I hate that guy" lense. You should go check out Ele's post from EQ heads regarding "everyone getting their epic". The nail gets hit squarely on the head, despite the real SPINNING I see on these forums from the "socialists" who don't put in as much time and effort.

A system that is "fair to everyone" should reward organization and dedication, not people complaining with their hands out.

Why do you even bother to respond to kagotob... the kid never makes sense and I don't see that he has any real interest in this server other than Phuck TMO.

[Alarti0001]

Because the players got together and decided they were sick of that BS and the staff agrees?

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131739

Which players? How many? Did you include the 150+ in TMO? Did you include all players? Or just the ones who weren't willing to put in the effort TMO does?

[Hitpoint]

Which players? How many? Did you include the 150+ in TMO? Did you include all players? Or just the ones who weren't willing to put in the effort TMO does?

It says right in the post. It's the leadership from several of the top raiding guilds. Is that not sufficient?

[talian21]

TMO is working on a raid system that is both "fair & balanced"

TMO is about as "fair and balanced" as Fox News, lol. Spin on, dipshit.






-Silisk, ikky necro

[Autotune]

It says right in the post. It's the leadership from several of the top raiding guilds. Is that not sufficient?

It's not the first time they've done this either. The interesting time I like to recall is the time when IB and TMO were the top guilds and both got suspended. The guilds all came together and VD was like, yea we are the nice guys... and then shit all over every other guild for pixels.

Stop kidding yourself, people come together on this server when the threat of a rogean banhammer is fresh on the minds.

[Raavak]

He right ya know.

And as for everyone who thinks that TMO dominated the last year, or IB dominated the year before, out of spite or because the devil told them too or whatever, you need to step back and look at the big picture. The mobs spawns, the scarcity, the rule set, all dictated what the makeup of a successful guild would be. It wasn't an accident. That's also why that unless there are some actual official rules put into place it will eventually return to the same exact spot its been in several times through the server's existence. I can't predict what guild will do that next, but I can safely predict A guild will.

But to reiterate what Alarti wrote, the coming of Velious would change many things because the expansion adds so much raid content that anyone who wants more will be able to have it without joining TMO or FE/IB.

[Autotune]

I'm not saying it can't happen either, I'm just pointing out that when you guys bring up an agreement that hasn't even lasted a week as proof that shit can work you're being extremely short sighted.

[Alarti0001]

It says right in the post. It's the leadership from several of the top raiding guilds. Is that not sufficient?

Nope. Because you are doing exactly what you complain TMO is doing. You are excluding people from the mix. If you are making a raid agreement it is probably a good idea to include the long-time single most dominant raid guild on the server dontchathink, I mean if not you really don't have a raid agreement at all. Trying to exclude TMO and others inputs just means that your "agreement" won't be respected.

I understand the whole concept was a 2 week solution to increase "PR" and apps, but that agreement has no longevity. Any rational mind can see that.

[Nirgon]

Why do you even bother to respond to kagotob... the kid never makes sense and I don't see that he has any real interest in this server other than Phuck TMO.

The opposition to your argument has recently begun to quote him for support. I guess if you're going to have to argue the opposite "socialist" argument, you need to speak to the points they use for support.

Trust me, I'm not saying TMO needs to be the only guild getting every single mob. After this recent blow out, they should share. IMO the top guild is in a position of earned privilage and needs to be responsible in many ways for assuring a fair/fun to play in community. I also think when things are worked out that time is given to take the mobs during "normal play hours". This 4am shit is unhealthy for all of you, and do realize that repop days have more players than just the top guild on trying to take things.

IT WOULD HELP if when TMO or FE/IB decides to hand down one of their mobs (Vox/Naggy/Draco/CT/Inny) that the community doesn't take it as some kind of condescending charity and respond with disrespect and outrage.

Goals for TMO: Share old content
Goals for community: Understand you don't put in as much time (read: don't respond to 4am bat phones). Understand there is limited content. Understand that Velious (which brings mobs most guilds can't kill) would help a lot more for 5 guilds fighting over the same content.

I think TMO would be happy to spend its time banging its head on NTOV progression/farming armor (presuming those mobs are not steam rolled) while the rest killed Vindi, Statue and every single old world mob.

I don't know if the people on the other side of the argument are capable of understanding this is a problem of limited content and the top guild trying to secure best in slot gear it still needs. When the best in slot gear moves to harder targets, the easier ones open up.

Saying "fuck the top guild this sucks" is way easier I guess than contributing to the bugs section/Velious content and actually accepting this concept.

[Alarti0001]

TMO is about as "fair and balanced" as Fox News, lol. Spin on, dipshit.






-Silisk, ikky necro

With reasoned input like that you are just begging the community to respect you


/sarcasm off

[BurgyK]

We could argue, but it's just easier to call you a faggot

[Splorf22]

Of course he's extremely biased towards his own interests. However, outside of trolling he routinely makes valid, objective statements if you don't read everything with a "god I hate that guy" lense. You should go check out Ele's post from EQ heads regarding "everyone getting their epic". The nail gets hit squarely on the head, despite the real SPINNING I see on these forums from the "socialists" who don't put in as much time and effort.

His last post is basically 'I want to be able to prevent other people from getting pixels'. That is a mindbogglingly toxic attitude.

A system that is "fair to everyone" should reward organization and dedication, not people complaining with their hands out.

How about a system that rewards, you know, actual skills, instead of 'dedication' which is a retarded pseudosynonym for 'I sat at my computer for 40 hours tracking'.

Nirgon aren't you an apostle of true classic? How can you be for variance?

[myriverse]

Shit ain't that scarce. Don't talk about scarcity when you're gearing your 5th alt with VP loot. "Success" is a mutable thing. If you define being a bastard is success, then that's what it becomes. Don't BS that it has to be that way.

There were live servers with 2-3 times the pop without bastardy.

[Alarti0001]

The opposition to your argument has recently begun to quote him for support. I guess if you're going to have to argue the opposite "socialist" argument, you need to speak to the points they use for support.

Trust me, I'm not saying TMO needs to be the only guild getting every single mob. After this recent blow out, they should share. IMO the top guild is in a position of earned privilage and needs to be responsible in many ways for assuring a fair/fun to play in community. I also think when things are worked out that time is given to take the mobs during "normal play hours". This 4am shit is unhealthy for all of you, and do realize that repop days have more players than just the top guild on trying to take things.

IT WOULD HELP if when TMO or FE/IB decides to hand down one of their mobs (Vox/Naggy/Draco/CT/Inny) that the community doesn't take it as some kind of condescending charity and respond with disrespect and outrage.

Goals for TMO: Share old content
Goals for community: Understand you don't put in as much time (read: don't respond to 4am bat phones). Understand there is limited content. Understand that Velious (which brings mobs most guilds can't kill) would help a lot more for 5 guilds fighting over the same content.

I think TMO would be happy to spend its time banging its head on NTOV progression/farming armor (presuming those mobs are not steam rolled) while the rest killed Vindi, Statue and every single old world mob.

I don't know if the people on the other side of the argument are capable of understanding this is a problem of limited content and the top guild trying to secure best in slot gear it still needs. When the best in slot gear moves to harder targets, the easier ones open up.

Saying "fuck the top guild this sucks" is way easier I guess than contributing to the bugs section/Velious content and actually accepting this concept.

TMO has tried to give away or open up content for years... See Endangered dragon lists and further attempts beyond that. The problem is without our direct competition FE/IB or VD back in the day also not killing those mobs, all opening up those mobs did is directly assist our competition, and the little guys still didn't get shit.

TMO doesn't want to give mobs to FE/IB, TMO (imo) would like to give raid mobs to other guilds like Div/BDA/AG/Doljon/Knights/Taken/etc/etc/etc.

I don't speak as an officer or anything but I am fairly sure TMO would be all for allowing some mobs to be on a "not kill" list if FE/IB would agree to this.

[Alarti0001]

Shit ain't that scarce. Don't talk about scarcity when you're gearing your 5th alt with VP loot. "Success" is a mutable thing. If you define being a bastard is success, then that's what it becomes. Don't BS that it has to be that way.

There were live servers with 2-3 times the pop without bastardy.

4 years buddy. Scarcity is a weekly thing. Unless you suggest that all people with loot should quit the server once they are geared?

[Hitpoint]

I'm not saying it can't happen either, I'm just pointing out that when you guys bring up an agreement that hasn't even lasted a week as proof that shit can work you're being extremely short sighted.

I may have expressed myself poorly. I was just trying to point out that VP became a no training zone only a day after the players decided (unofficially) they were going to stop training in VP. I think the staff was tired of the no CSR stuff in VP, and they want a friendlier raiding environment overall. I think this agreement between the guilds was a catalyst, and that is why training is no longer allowed.

[hatelore]

The opposition to your argument has recently begun to quote him for support. I guess if you're going to have to argue the opposite "socialist" argument, you need to speak to the points they use for support.

Trust me, I'm not saying TMO needs to be the only guild getting every single mob. After this recent blow out, they should share. IMO the top guild is in a position of earned privilage and needs to be responsible in many ways for assuring a fair/fun to play in community. I also think when things are worked out that time is given to take the mobs during "normal play hours". This 4am shit is unhealthy for all of you, and do realize that repop days have more players than just the top guild on trying to take things.

IT WOULD HELP if when TMO or FE/IB decides to hand down one of their mobs (Vox/Naggy/Draco/CT/Inny) that the community doesn't take it as some kind of condescending charity and respond with disrespect and outrage.

Goals for TMO: Share old content
Goals for community: Understand you don't put in as much time (read: don't respond to 4am bat phones). Understand there is limited content. Understand that Velious (which brings mobs most guilds can't kill) would help a lot more for 5 guilds fighting over the same content.

I think TMO would be happy to spend its time banging its head on NTOV progression/farming armor (presuming those mobs are not steam rolled) while the rest killed Vindi, Statue and every single old world mob.

I don't know if the people on the other side of the argument are capable of understanding this is a problem of limited content and the top guild trying to secure best in slot gear it still needs. When the best in slot gear moves to harder targets, the easier ones open up.

Saying "fuck the top guild this sucks" is way easier I guess than contributing to the bugs section/Velious content and actually accepting this concept.

You should probably get out of the mindset that "answering batphones at 4am is classic" or even fuckin sane. For starters.

Also, tmo earned this hate. You live in a fantasy world if you think we all woke up one morning and said "tmo is on top so we shall spite and hate them!!"

Furthermore, you sound like a tmo cheerleader.

[Autotune]

I may have expressed myself poorly. I was just trying to point out that VP became a no training zone only a day after the players decided (unofficially) they were going to stop training in VP. I think the staff was tired of the no CSR stuff in VP, and they want a friendlier raiding environment overall. I think this agreement between the guilds was a catalyst, and that is why training is no longer allowed.

That was something that would have been removed when Staff decided pathing was optimal in VP. No part of TMO's wanting it to still be there mattered, Sirken stated that himself. I can see that it was put in the agreement and that's well within reason, but from a staff standpoint it was always based on CSR reasons due to pathing.

I liked training in VP, it was fun to me, but even I realized that it was up to Sirken/Rogean/CSR as to when they deemed pathing was no longer super crappy.

[Hitpoint]

Nope. Because you are doing exactly what you complain TMO is doing. You are excluding people from the mix. If you are making a raid agreement it is probably a good idea to include the long-time single most dominant raid guild on the server dontchathink, I mean if not you really don't have a raid agreement at all. Trying to exclude TMO and others inputs just means that your "agreement" won't be respected.

I understand the whole concept was a 2 week solution to increase "PR" and apps, but that agreement has no longevity. Any rational mind can see that.

I apologize. This isn't what I was talking about to begin with. The staff disallowed training in VP when we expressed that we didn't want it to be allowed anymore. They may have been planning this for some time, but I think the agreement that I linked kick-started it.

[Nirgon]

Nirgon aren't you an apostle of true classic? How can you be for variance?

Yes. I'm not for true variance.

Variance is yet another result of this extended time line years of classic/Kunark.

That is to say another PROBLEM that exists because you're stuck on this content so long.

Variance sucks, I hate it. No one likes the level of competition requiring bat phones at 6am.

I wonder if no one was to try to kill the mobs, how long might TMO leave them up before they killed them? I don't think they like answering bat phones at who knows what hour, and I don't think their members that can't make those times like missing them. However, if they don't kill them as soon as possible, the other guilds will within an hour or 2. Competition has brought it to this point.

I talked to Heartbeats for instance. He has come back to the server and is trying to get the Cabilis piece for his epic. It spawned and was killed by Europa within an hour of it spawning. Where's the "fuck Europa" thread over that or "fuck everyone who kills this mob within an hour of it spawning" thread? They got to it first, the end. The peridots thread is another story :P.

[Autotune]

That was something that would have been removed when Staff decided pathing was optimal in VP. No part of TMO's wanting it to still be there mattered, Sirken stated that himself. I can see that it was put in the agreement and that's well within reason, but from a staff standpoint it was always based on CSR reasons due to pathing.

I liked training in VP, it was fun to me, but even I realized that it was up to Sirken/Rogean/CSR as to when they deemed pathing was no longer super crappy.

I also think it was brought up to Rogean and he probably talked to Nilbog and Nilly has posted about pathing in VP being updated several times. I imagine after that it was struck down, so I don't doubt that it being part of the agreement that it got noticed by Rogean.

[Hitpoint]

That was something that would have been removed when Staff decided pathing was optimal in VP. No part of TMO's wanting it to still be there mattered, Sirken stated that himself. I can see that it was put in the agreement and that's well within reason, but from a staff standpoint it was always based on CSR reasons due to pathing.

I liked training in VP, it was fun to me, but even I realized that it was up to Sirken/Rogean/CSR as to when they deemed pathing was no longer super crappy.

The pathing is still horrible. They made it a little bit better a while ago but I don't think this was the reason they changed the rules now.

[Nirgon]

You should probably get out of the mindset that "answering batphones at 4am is classic" or even fuckin sane. For starters.


I'm not sure what hour you guys were killing things on your classic servers (and I mean Kunark mobs in Kunark, not Kunark mobs at the end of Velious). It probably varies.

I don't think 4am bat phones are sane either. I think they are horrible. They are born from competition, and TMO isn't just competitive with itself.

However, I do know other guilds than TMO show up at these times.. just in smaller numbers.

A birdie once told me that a top guild tends to hold a large number of the most dedicated players on a given server though.

Give a classic timeline of vanilla through end of Velious. I think there would be a lot less complaining and anger. Keep blaming each other, though.

[hatelore]

Nirgon, serious question here. Have you ever raided against tmo on blue p1999?

[Nirgon]

Furthermore, you sound like a tmo cheerleader.

How should Europa have handled Heartbeats waiting for his Cabilis mob? Is it upon them to add him to a calendar? Who makes the calendar? Sounds like they just got to it first.

I personally wouldn't have the hours to compete with TMO, so I do other things in game. And imagine this, none of it involves a crown of rile and I can still be happy playing some how. I must be the craziest loon in the nut house.

[hatelore]

The question I asked you is pretty simple and straight forward. Have-YOU-ever-raided-against-tmo?

[Autotune]

The pathing is still horrible. They made it a little bit better a while ago but I don't think this was the reason they changed the rules now.

From what I've seen Nilbog and others post about it, it's leagues above what it was and is within a questionable area to say it's "okay."

Sirken was the last one I seen that posted he didn't think it was worth removing, but I'd say it wasn't far from being overturned by him at that time either.

Again, not discrediting the agreement you guys made, but I don't think the change was that far off from happening. maybe the straw that broke the camel's back

[Nirgon]

Nirgon, serious question here. Have you ever raided against tmo on blue p1999?

I've been on characters raiding against them. They are truly brutal to compete with, but that said, if they slipped up and gave up another hour getting to a mob? They wouldn't get it. So I guess I don't have the time in my day to compete with FE/IB either if there were 40 of me (if "I was a guild"). They must be terrible, greedy people too.

However, you still get things here and the FTE shout has ensured if you are there and ready, you both have a mostly even chance. That's about as fair as it can get.

Being objective about all this isn't going to help you get pixels. So what's fair then?

I do think TMO should open up the world dragons and gods or at least have them open for set weeks (half) of the month where they will not go for them. But I control absolutely nothing on this server, I just try to support a classic ruleset and mechanics... and sometimes I get an ear and they are able to implement things or my perspective is valuable. You will not find my perspective valuable because it does not suit your needs, however, it is an objective one.

[radditsu]

It is way too late to give a shit about hoarding pixels on this box. The only possible gain is to corner markets/RMT value.

Pixels are cheap in p99 because of the extended kunark window. Give away the pixels and let scarcity be from the amount of people and not the poopsocking of bosses. The first year of velious will be scarcity of pixels...but eventually this box will be lush with pixels because IT ENDS AT VELIOUS. There will be no more pixels to be had.


It is time to get away from "classic" guild structures entirely. This box needs to embrace the nostalgia emulator and allow people to cycle in, get their pixels, and cycle out/stick around if they like the community. If they have a guild that CAN kill something they should at least have a chance without no-life children getting in the way of it. Killing something for the 200th time to prevent others to do so is retarded. How many times did trak spawn on live? 50? 75?


Nothing on this server, or any other EQ server ever, matters.

It doesnt matter if you killed quarm on live @ pop, or beat the original rathe council, or beat Aten Ra Ha, or wrecked AOW before luclin. Nobody gives one good goddamn about your kill count on a zek. None of this is respect worthy.

EVERYTHING about MMO's are a waste of time. If you grief others on this game, you are wasting your time by intentionally wasting others time. How shitty is that?


The box has a ruined timeline. Embrace this one for what it is. A ghost of something that you couldn't possibly have (until they make a real timeline progression server, patches and all). Stop being shitheads. Every goddamn one of you.

[Raavak]

I think the staff was tired of the no CSR stuff in VP, and they want a friendlier raiding environment overall.Yes and no. I think you will find some GM's didn't want this change. Why? Its only going to create a headache for them.

VP was made no-CSR because it was so easy to accidentally negatively affect another raid, even if you didn't try. You make it the same as any other raid zone and all you will have is constant complaints about ae-wurms going off on you or kited raptors aggroing you when the kiter dies, etc. Then the unfortunate side-effect of no-CSR rule could be used to intentionally grief another raid.

I'm not against the no training, heck I'm all for it. As a wizard I've probably died 50-100 times to various IB/VD/BDA/FE monks, necros, and SK's trains. I've wasted days and days in that god forsaken zone recovering from trains only to die again, and finally camp out without killing a single dragon. I want no training!

But as far as no CSR... I feel really sorry for the GM's once there is competition again. I really don't have a solution either. Some sort of limited CSR I guess. Like no intentional training without a raid force present and dragons attempted, or making VP a PvP zone or something, so that if 1 or 2 guys log in to train you you can just nuke them down, then go on with your raid.

[Lammy]

A system that is "fair to everyone" should reward organization and dedication, not people complaining with their hands out.

[talian21]

I don't speak as an officer or anything but I am fairly sure TMO would be all for allowing some mobs to be on a "not kill" list if FE/IB would agree to this.

Not that I believe trolls or anything, but fine, lets see this...

I am now awaiting the post announcing that TMO and FE/IB have a no kill list, one that isn't just "table scraps".

FE/IB has already demonstrated that they can cooperate, as seen by what's been spearheaded in the raid scene currently. The onus is now on TMO to do more than just talk.

May I suggest something like:

1.) Let VP be FFA so TMO can have their precious "competition" (no training), and TMO and FE/IB (and whoever becomes strong enough) can whack it out in there, but...

2.) Let the rest be a no-kill list, except for needed epic pieces and such, which (and this is the hard part) TMO will restrain itself to hitting once a month. A month is a pretty typical app time for a guild, not that unreasonable to go hit it once a month.

This is just broad strokes, and of course would need some adjustment, but in a general sense, it would allow TMO/top-tiers to have something to fight it out over (VP loots), but also allow smaller, raid capable guilds to enjoy high end content. I know TMO will have to hit non-VP mobs sometimes (epics, etc), and this allows for that as well, but it would restrain the greed that TMO has demonstrated an inability to control.

Again, I await the cooperative response from TMO leadership.


-Silisk, ikky necro

[Nirgon]

the extended kunark window.



The box has a ruined timeline. Embrace this one for what it is. A ghost of something that you couldn't possibly have (until they make a real timeline progression server, patches and all). Stop being shitheads. Every goddamn one of you.

Exactly. The top guild, TMO or not would be getting all this shit. But I do agree some of the older content should be shared out.

The more you realize it isn't TMO, but a top guild and an extended time line/limited content (hell, repeat this to yourself to you get it).. the closer you get to seeing my point and the less you think I'm just a cheerleader for them.

If IB or FE or the combination of the 2 of them was on top.. I would be saying the same thing.

The fact that Radditsu has used this point in his argument means there is a lot of hope for an objective view of the problems this server faces.

[hatelore]

I guess I am near sighted but all I read in your post is that you have raided against them on other characters. if rule lawyering, imtentional training, blatant lying to fit your agenda, zero shame in your actions or how you make others feel in the process of being a piece of shit is what you call brutal? Then yes, I and many others would agree they are brutal.

My point is, derail or not, tmo earned this shit ten fold. And shortsighted or not, its nice to see a speck of hope for the raid scene of p99. If the gods are just, tmo will be too splintered to ever regain number one status.

I like to hope Ib/fe will play fair if they become numero uno. Had some instances with getsome in sol b.and he seems to be a very level headed and chill guy.

[Raavak]

Wipe it clean. Start over.


I do think TMO should open up the world dragons and gods or at least have them open for set weeks (half) of the month where they will not go for them.I'm not an officer, but I think I can pretty safely say there will be more things for others to kill when TMO comes off suspension. But we have new recruits and high turnover, so its not like we are done getting loot, ever(quest tm).

[hatelore]

It is way too late to give a shit about hoarding pixels on this box. The only possible gain is to corner markets/RMT value.

Pixels are cheap in p99 because of the extended kunark window. Give away the pixels and let scarcity be from the amount of people and not the poopsocking of bosses. The first year of velious will be scarcity of pixels...but eventually this box will be lush with pixels because IT ENDS AT VELIOUS. There will be no more pixels to be had.


It is time to get away from "classic" guild structures entirely. This box needs to embrace the nostalgia emulator and allow people to cycle in, get their pixels, and cycle out/stick around if they like the community. If they have a guild that CAN kill something they should at least have a chance without no-life children getting in the way of it. Killing something for the 200th time to prevent others to do so is retarded. How many times did trak spawn on live? 50? 75?


Nothing on this server, or any other EQ server ever, matters.

It doesnt matter if you killed quarm on live @ pop, or beat the original rathe council, or beat Aten Ra Ha, or wrecked AOW before luclin. Nobody gives one good goddamn about your kill count on a zek. None of this is respect worthy.

EVERYTHING about MMO's are a waste of time. If you grief others on this game, you are wasting your time by intentionally wasting others time. How shitty is that?


The box has a ruined timeline. Embrace this one for what it is. A ghost of something that you couldn't possibly have (until they make a real timeline progression server, patches and all). Stop being shitheads. Every goddamn one of you.


I could not agree more sir.

[Nirgon]

More to the point, banning people who have put in 30x the amount of time as you who had nothing to do with duping plat isn't a "good thing". It's just lowering the population. Which, I would hope none of you want.

I'd wish since Rogean is naming and shaming, he would list the others not in TMO that were banned as a result. But that might not do well for public image.

[Alarti0001]

I may have expressed myself poorly. I was just trying to point out that VP became a no training zone only a day after the players decided (unofficially) they were going to stop training in VP. I think the staff was tired of the no CSR stuff in VP, and they want a friendlier raiding environment overall. I think this agreement between the guilds was a catalyst, and that is why training is no longer allowed.

The players who weren't getting kills in VP. Also, its kind of a fake offer if you decide to stop training in VP when there is only a handful of consolidated VP keys outside of TMO/FE/IB.

[hatelore]

More to the point, banning people who have put in 30x the amount of time as you who had nothing to do with duping plat isn't a "good thing". It's just lowering the population. Which, I would hope none of you want.

I'd wish since Rogean is naming and shaming, he would list the others not in TMO that were banned as a result. But that might not do well for public image.


Really? You are sure they put in 30x more then me, or peeps in my guild or other guilds? You are also sure rogean just swung a big ol ban hammer blindly too right? I am pretty sure, you know, since we are all so sure and all... That you are talking out of your ass.

[talian21]

But we have new recruits and high turnover, so its not like we are done getting loot, ever(quest tm).

Many of your recruits simply join you to get their epics, b/c you've cockblocked them to the point of either coming up with a retarded amount of plat, or join the assholes, even though they cannot stand you.

In my opinion, with your raid content monopoly broken, your new recruits will diminish significantly, so I think this will be less of a problem than you state.



-Silisk, ikky necro

[Alarti0001]

Many of your recruits simply join you to get their epics, b/c you've cockblocked them to the point of either coming up with a retarded amount of plat, or join the assholes, even though they cannot stand you.

In my opinion, with your raid content monopoly broken, your new recruits will diminish significantly, so I think this will be less of a problem than you state.



-Silisk, ikky necro

Maybe, they do join us to get epics... but I can say most people who do join us, stay. They don't loot and scoot and many of them post about how surprised they were that we are actually cool guys.

But, that wouldn't support your biased view of the world so sorry for introducing reality to you :*(

[Alarti0001]

Really? You are sure they put in 30x more then me, or peeps in my guild or other guilds? You are also sure rogean just swung a big ol ban hammer blindly too right? I am pretty sure, you know, since we are all so sure and all... That you are talking out of your ass.

I'm sure.

[Kagatob]

He's still spinning it. Get a life man.

[Raavak]

It is way too late to give a shit about hoarding pixels on this box. The only possible gain is to corner markets/RMT value.So tired of this RMT tinfoil hat thing. Yeah, I'm not an officer so I don't get to see the plat in the guildbank, but I do know that the bank buys extremely rare artifact and pricey items and awards them to deserving players. We also have a constant supply of Hate & Sky port stones, peridots, pearls, essence stones, recharges, and certain resist gear. Think of this, then consider the massive size of this guild, probably the largest active one on the server. Its costs a small fortune on a weekly basis. I don't think the average P99 player can even conceptualize the cost of overhead.

You know the real way to bring down TMO? Stop buying stuff from them, lol.

[Nirgon]

Really? You are sure they put in 30x more then me, or peeps in my guild or other guilds? You are also sure rogean just swung a big ol ban hammer blindly too right? I am pretty sure, you know, since we are all so sure and all... That you are talking out of your ass.

If you think 106 people were independently using this bug and it didn't leak outside of the guild...

I don't even know what to tell you.

Consider also how many non-TMO accounts were banned (20ish?) and it didn't leak to the general masses either.

Since Liia was banned, was everyone in the A-Team doing it too? I suspect Liia, nor any other A-Team members were doing it either.

So sorry that objective reasoning has made you an enemy of me.

The fact you would want other players banned because of a guild tag, whether they did anything or not, does not speak well of you.

[Alarti0001]

If you think 106 people were independently using this bug and it didn't leak outside of the guild...

I don't even know what to tell you.

Consider also how many non-TMO accounts were banned (20ish?) and it didn't leak to the general masses either.

Since Liia was banned, was everyone in the A-Team doing it too? I suspect Liia, nor any other A-Team members were doing it either.

So sorry that objective reasoning has made you an enemy of me.

The fact you would want other players banned because of a guild tag, whether they did anything or not, does not speak well of you.

Nirgon forum hero.

[Raavak]

Many of your recruits simply join you to get their epics, b/c you've cockblocked them to the point of either coming up with a retarded amount of plat, or join the assholes, even though they cannot stand you.Isn't this why people joined endgame guilds since they came into existence? Then they find out how fun it is to kill dragons, and that there are some really cool people who are members, they make friends. Next thing they know they are part of a family. The story has been told thousands of times.

[hatelore]

If you think 106 people were independently using this bug and it didn't leak outside of the guild...

I don't even know what to tell you.

Consider also how many non-TMO accounts were banned (20ish?) and it didn't leak to the general masses either.

Since Liia was banned, was everyone in the A-Team doing it too? I suspect Liia, nor any other A-Team members were doing it either.

So sorry that objective reasoning has made you an enemy of me.

The fact you would want other players banned because of a guild tag, whether they did anything or not, does not speak well of you.


For one, I don't consider you an enemy. For two, you probably shouldn't attempt to input words into my mouth. I trust that if Rogean swung that ban hammer, there was a definite purpose for it.

[Lammy]

This server must be littered with Obama supporters. No one ever wants to address a question asked or provide any type of factual evidence supporting their claims to the "TMO is Scum."

Yes, some people cheated. No, the guild didn't know about it as a whole. The cheaters were punished, as if they would have been had they been in any other guild, and the game goes on.

Now, TMO still exists and will continue to raid with the blessing of the CSR staff. Should we be more consciences of others? probably so, and I'm still a firm believer that even before this announcement, TMO was taking small steps to allowing others to raid with us, and even win loots.

However, we put a lot of time and effort into catching these mobs. But ya know what? when other guilds put in time and effort, they take targets from us, as simple as that.

BDA - grats 6+ Vox kills in a row recently even when TMO tracked and contested you. Why? You gave it a dedicated effort.

Taken - Grats 5+ Inny kills in a row recently even when TMO tracked and contested you. Why? You gave it a dedicated effort.

No one from TMO is starting rants that we lost two targets so often that we care about (and yes, we still have members who need these targets.) The 4th/5th alt is just ignorant speak. Again, yes I acknowledge that often times loot goes to alts, but it's only when the items we need for mains don't drop. Until you people know what you're talking about, and present facts, it's all a ridiculous to discuss. I'm in favor of some reform, but not hand outs. This is a game, and we play it a lot and we play it well, it's as simple as that. It's not personal.

[talian21]

Maybe, they do join us to get epics... but I can say most people who do join us, stay. (

This, of course, is in direct contradiction with your "high turnover" comment, of course. Spin on, dipshit.





-Silisk, ikky necro

[YendorLootmonkey]

It's not the first time they've done this either. The interesting time I like to recall is the time when IB and TMO were the top guilds and both got suspended. The guilds all came together and VD was like, yea we are the nice guys... and then shit all over every other guild for pixels.

If you're talking about the time TR & TMO couldn't raid outside of VP when it opened... no one seemed to have an issue with the way VD took targets. We went one at a time... nothing died within 5 mins of spawn. There was lag and the repop happened at 3am... we left Trak up for hours and Div/Taken/BDA could have attempted... they went for other targets.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=472231&postcount=240

[Raavak]

BDA - grats 6+ Vox kills in a row recently even when TMO tracked and contested you. Why? You gave it a dedicated effort.

Taken - Grats 5+ Inny kills in a row recently even when TMO tracked and contested you. Why? You gave it a dedicated effort.TMO was co-raiding with some up-and-coming guilds as well. And no, we didn't take loot. I see more of this happening after the suspension runs its course.

[Alarti0001]

This, of course, is in direct contradiction with your "high turnover" comment, of course. Spin on, dipshit.





-Silisk, ikky necro

Where is my high turnover comment. It was someone else's comment. Turnover in that person is more related to people taking a break from the game due to no new content, not from people leaving the guild. We have a very very high retention rate.

Thanks again from proving your bias and inability to think objectively (or at all).

[Raavak]

This, of course, is in direct contradiction with your "high turnover" comment, of course. Spin on, dipshit.They don't leave TMO. They stop playing and post a "see ya in Velious".

Spin on, dipshit.

[hatelore]

Until you people know what you're talking about, and present facts, it's all a ridiculous to discuss. I'm in favor of some reform, but not hand outs. This is a game, and we play it a lot and we play it well, it's as simple as that. It's not personal.

I don't think anyone has the fortitude to sit here and attempt to recant every single time they were fucked over, or trained, etc at a tmo vs <whatever guild> raid. I have played this box since 1999, and I never saw anything amazing or skillfull about tmo vs other guilds. They raid just like any other guild, other then the fact that they use dirty under handed tactics.

[Raavak]

Where is my high turnover comment.I posted it. And it didn't mean people left us, it means they considered they had won the game and quit.

[talian21]

I posted it. And it didn't mean people left us, it means they considered they had won the game and quit.

My apologies; Raavak, not alarti said it. You're not contradicting yourself, your contradicting each other, my bad.





-Silisk, ikky necro

[Raavak]

I am not Alarti! He's a jerk! :P

[Alarti0001]

I don't think anyone has the fortitude to sit here and attempt to recant every single time they were fucked over, or trained, etc at a tmo vs <whatever guild> raid. I have played this box since 1999, and I never saw anything amazing or skillfull about tmo vs other guilds. They raid just like any other guild, other then the fact that they use dirty under handed tactics.

TMO raid suspensions under Sirken rule = 0
FE/IB raid suspensions under Sirken rule = 1
TMO specific mob raid suspensions under Sirken rule = 0
FE/IB specific mob raid suspensions under Sirken rule = 1+(think 3)

Tell me more hatelores

[Alarti0001]

TMO raid suspensions under Sirken rule = 0
FE/IB raid suspensions under Sirken rule = 1
TMO specific mob raid suspensions under Sirken rule = 0
FE/IB specific mob raid suspensions under Sirken rule = 1+(think 3)

Tell me more hatelores

This is of course based on raid related actions.

[Splorf22]

This server must be littered with Obama supporters. I'm in favor of some reform, but not hand outs.

Variance is not classic you tool. You are the one getting hand outs - without variance all of your vaunted 'dedication' would be meaningless.

[Nirgon]

For one, I don't consider you an enemy.


You seemed not to like me a great deal. Saying I was talking out of my ass etc. Okay tho, pals.


For two, you probably shouldn't attempt to input words into my mouth. I trust that if Rogean swung that ban hammer, there was a definite purpose for it.

I didn't put words in your mouth. I strongly questioned that you really thought that even 10% of the # of people banned were using said exploit. Personally, I'd think in the case of those banned and the fact it didn't leak out that they were being greedy and abusing it for personal use.

This reinforces my point of permanent ban lists and these 2 players should never be able to reroll on any server. That's a real fix to the problem, weeding out and ELIMINATING people who've been banned. Uthgaard was all about this in the great
3rd party program scandal.

Interestingly, Rogean has gone with the more extreme Uthgaard type approach, but I'm not sure if he has attempted to (or if anyone really has the time to) see who was really benefitting from it. I guess its safer that people stay banned until he figures out who really was part of said crime ring. And I'm sorry to say I'd support that because it could be months. But to be sure on a few things.

#1 - no rerolling for anyone found to be using or benefitting from said bug. Immediately applicable to Froovy/Internode.
#2 - unbanning or perma banning per investigation of players on a case by case basis, as cases are investigated... however long it takes

I'm absolutely all for banning people, but take the right approach even if people have to be locked down in ban mode for sharing info with known suspects.

Further, if you think TMO's (let's say esp Loly's) opinion of them getting caught is "oh well too bad!"... I doubt it. I'm sure they are furious at these two INDIVIDUALS (so far!) that caused this problem to the server they play on. Further, I'm sure if they were caught doing it at any time by Zeelot (for instance) they'd be gkicked.

Or, wouldn't the guild bank, if they were widely abusing this have been banned in the process? If I was Rogean I would be looking into how much duplicated plat were on known (obvious, look for Trak BPs) guild bank accounts before refusing to remove the ban of anyone in TMO. I think the public outing was a good thing because at best, it will be a stern reminder to guild officers that they are responsible for the actions of their members. At worst, a guild of more successful try hards you don't like got disbanded for something 99% of them didn't do.

[hatelore]

I honestly have no idea how Tmo and Fe have been circle jerking each other lately. I guess I could say, they learned from the best maybe? I don't have a dog in the fe/tmo circle jerk bananza.

[radditsu]

More to the point, banning people who have put in 30x the amount of time as you who had nothing to do with duping plat isn't a "good thing". It's just lowering the population. Which, I would hope none of you want.

I'd wish since Rogean is naming and shaming, he would list the others not in TMO that were banned as a result. But that might not do well for public image.


They should be banned if they are being shitheads to people just because they can. People were banned for less on live. and that shit is for real classic.


Look, i understand what and why your point is. I personally can give a shit about pixels. I never got one pixel in my time with FE, never asked. If i wanted to pixel I have tons of characters on other boxes.


Nirgon the issue at hand, for me anyway, is that the Uber guild imperialist bullshit needs to end. TMO is not better than anybody else. Hell, they violated the server by destabilizing a market that would be complete shit (due to timeline)without the dupes.

It is not a stretch of the imagination that they used this+real+ cornering of high market items to invest in toons that they could park and create an insurmountable advantage. That's great for the 6-7 people who would truly benefit the said system(RMT,Epenis,etc). The hundreds of people who want to have a world outside of EQ, that is the epitome of rediculousness. You never had to come CLOSE to working this hard for pixels on a live server.

On live you put in 30 days of solid PM raiding and you got in a guild, then depending on the rules of said guild you got loot. I ran a raiding guild, i know how it worked.

Do I really think all of TMO are dirty scumbags? Nope. Do i think more than 2 people know about what went down with the duping? Absolfuckingloutely. Friends talk to each other. Those guys were friends with EVERYBODY it seems. Combined with the absolute anonymous-ness of the internet and the game we play, the likelyhood is near 100%. The entirety of TMO, since IB left anyway, is Gordon Gecko levels of greed.

The TMO corporation has ruined what "fun" the endgame of eq is. Rogean should have done with the SEC does in situations like this and remove every dragon scale, every trak tooth, every Trak BP banked by TMO. No redistribution, just deleted. Corporations get hellva fines for breaking the rules.....eventually.


If TMO wants to adjust and start working with the community. I would love and champion them. The cancers that are in that guild need to be cut out. (Alarti, suprisingly, isn't a cancer in game), If they want race for targets, great. If they don't break kite rules...wonderful. Competition is GOOD. Monopoly is bad. Even Medieval wars had rules.


Cut this head off and let a new uber guild arise. If they do not play by the rules/cheat, delete their guild too. Do you really want a replication of Fennin Ro here?

[hatelore]

To be honest, I don't consider anyone on these forums an actual enemy, hell we do all have one thing in common. We love everquest. But, I might be persuaded to backhand a few of you sometimes =P

[Raavak]

Interestingly, Rogean has gone with the more extreme Uthgaard type approach, but I'm not sure if he has attempted to (or if anyone really has the time to) see who was really benefitting from it. I guess its safer that people stay banned until he figures out who really was part of said crime ring. And I'm sorry to say I'd support that because it could be months. But to be sure on a few things.

#1 - no rerolling for anyone found to be using or benefitting from said bug. Immediately applicable to Froovy/Internode.
#2 - unbanning or perma banning per investigation of players on a case by case basis, as cases are investigated... however long it takes.This is exactly what I posted in the TMO forums when people were like "86 accounts! He's trying to kill us!". Well, its a few days later and a bunch of accounts are back. You can't blame Rogean for not investigating every account before banning it... like Nirgon said it could take months. Besides, a bunch of the accounts may be basically inactive. Just shut them all down and let the owner come with proof he is clean. That's what's happening.

FWIW, Froovy mentioned in his farewell what he duped and if I recall correctly he said plat and some gems or jewelry. I mean, people can believe whatever they want, but that's what he said, and aside from duping, seemed like a great guy who you'd easily befriend here or IRL.

[hatelore]

You seemed not to like me a great deal. Saying I was talking out of my ass etc. Okay tho, pals.



I didn't put words in your mouth. I strongly questioned that you really thought that even 10% of the # of people banned were using said exploit. Personally, I'd think in the case of those banned and the fact it didn't leak out that they were being greedy and abusing it for personal use.

This reinforces my point of permanent ban lists and these 2 players should never be able to reroll on any server. That's a real fix to the problem, weeding out and ELIMINATING people who've been banned. Uthgaard was all about this in the great
3rd party program scandal.

Interestingly, Rogean has gone with the more extreme Uthgaard type approach, but I'm not sure if he has attempted to (or if anyone really has the time to) see who was really benefitting from it. I guess its safer that people stay banned until he figures out who really was part of said crime ring. And I'm sorry to say I'd support that because it could be months. But to be sure on a few things.

#1 - no rerolling for anyone found to be using or benefitting from said bug. Immediately applicable to Froovy/Internode.
#2 - unbanning or perma banning per investigation of players on a case by case basis, as cases are investigated... however long it takes

I'm absolutely all for banning people, but take the right approach even if people have to be locked down in ban mode for sharing info with known suspects.

Further, if you think TMO's (let's say esp Loly's) opinion of them getting caught is "oh well too bad!"... I doubt it. I'm sure they are furious at these two INDIVIDUALS (so far!) that caused this problem to the server they play on. Further, I'm sure if they were caught doing it at any time by Zeelot (for instance) they'd be gkicked.

Or, wouldn't the guild bank, if they were widely abusing this have been banned in the process? If I was Rogean I would be looking into how much duplicated plat were on known (obvious, look for Trak BPs) guild bank accounts before refusing to remove the ban of anyone in TMO. I think the public outing was a good thing because at best, it will be a stern reminder to guild officers that they are responsible for the actions of their members. At worst, a guild of more successful try hards you don't like got disbanded for something 99% of them didn't do.

I actually agree with you. The 2 that did it should be perma banned. I am pretty sure they will. What peeks my interest is, for it to be so severe that they banned so many, there had to be some mass duping going on.
And I am pretty sure the majority of tmo is furious and saddened to see the downfall of there empire.

[radditsu]

So tired of this RMT tinfoil hat thing. Yeah, I'm not an officer so I don't get to see the plat in the guildbank, but I do know that the bank buys extremely rare artifact and pricey items and awards them to deserving players. We also have a constant supply of Hate & Sky port stones, peridots, pearls, essence stones, recharges, and certain resist gear. Think of this, then consider the massive size of this guild, probably the largest active one on the server. Its costs a small fortune on a weekly basis. I don't think the average P99 player can even conceptualize the cost of overhead.

You know the real way to bring down TMO? Stop buying stuff from them, lol.

Yep 3-4 other guilds here have an idea on the cost of raid related items, and it is a drop in a bucket compared to what you can bring in from equipment sales.

The duplicated items/platinum did not just sit in someones bank. No interest is made, unlike in real life. It is given away /spent. If I had an unlimited amount of platinum I sure as shit would spend it/give it away.


You have ZERO idea how much it was, or where it went, or how many times it changed hands. Money is a liquid item. Their cheating has made us all guilty. I can put 2+2 together when I see high end items that drop off bosses being sold by platlord, who always seems to have a great stock of items...until durabel knocked that shit down.

Funny he always seems to get more stuff back. IB/FE/BDA have not killed THAT many traks that they are able to steadily supply RMT sites.

[Raavak]

To be honest, I don't consider anyone on these forums an actual enemy, hell we do all have one thing in common. We love everquest. But, I might be persuaded to backhand a few of you sometimes =PWe're just a dysfunctional family.

[Alarti0001]

Variance is not classic you tool. You are the one getting hand outs - without variance all of your vaunted 'dedication' would be meaningless.

Variance super classic in velious !

[ssfarmer]

TMO raid suspensions under Sirken rule = 0
FE/IB raid suspensions under Sirken rule = 1
TMO specific mob raid suspensions under Sirken rule = 0
FE/IB specific mob raid suspensions under Sirken rule = 1+(think 3)

Tell me more hatelores



Again this is a result of the fucked up way the server has handled things..... FE/IB is told time and again that its not that TMO is doing this the right way, theres just no proof they are doing it wrong..... TMO has dozens of fraps of every encounter thats contested or not, from 20 different angles so if something happens on accident then they can see it and spin it as intentional..... I for one am not willing to spend terrabytes of storage to make these stupid videos. i usually only am willing to turn on fraps of something after a 3rd or 4th offense in a row (i.e. tortue training VS pit and FDing on me soloing there, nuit DAing and bring prot/tola to ledge when FE/IB has higher numbers than tmo, Sericx being himself etc etc)

As far as i know, any time FE/IB has had a suspensions it was not from malicious intent, and we happily took the suspensions and learned from the mistake. If it was intentional i would vote to have them removed from the guild (i believe in my year in the guild the only time there was an intentional train was by lucabrazi in trak's lair ..... he lost alot of support after that and then soon left the guild and then server). TMO cannot claim this same thing as there are videos (which have been told by some gms are not evidence, and then by others that its the only evidence accepted) of tmo repeatedly doing shit over and over and over in the matter of minutes.

personally i would be happier that if the suspension hammer came down to have more transparency in the situation (i.e. if the reason is fraps, post the fraps in a forum post with a small reason for the decision.... leave it at that and not spend 3 days arguing back and forth with people and reducing the punishment (which again FE/IB has had the punishments reduced, but never removed..... and tmo can only claim they have no punishments because they had their punishments completely removed after arguing for a few days (example: the threat of perma bans for "poofing" .... videos of half a dozen of tmo doing it and several got bans for it that were lifted in a couple days) This whole recent duping/rmt scandal is not the first time TMO has had a ban hammer hit them.... just the first time they havnt been able to talk their way out of it

[Raavak]

Variance super classic in velious !Not so sound like a noob, but I will. Were Velious mobs on variance?

[radditsu]

Variance super classic in velious !

Variance would be so sucky in NTOV.

"Oh look vyemm is up!"


*collective sigh*


Then arry pops and the whole world goes to shit.

[Alarti0001]

Do I really think all of TMO are dirty scumbags? Nope. Do i think more than 2 people know about what went down with the duping? Absolfuckingloutely. Friends talk to each other. Those guys were friends with EVERYBODY it seems. Combined with the absolute anonymous-ness of the internet and the game we play, the likelyhood is near 100%. The entirety of TMO, since IB left anyway, is Gordon Gecko levels of greed.





Enjoy your belief.... its not based on any evidence. Even the GM's think it was just those 2 players.

[Alarti0001]

Variance would be so sucky in NTOV.

"Oh look vyemm is up!"


*collective sigh*


Then arry pops and the whole world goes to shit.

Variance existed in Velious... look it u :p. It also wasn't the 7 day +/- 48 we have here

[Autotune]

Yep 3-4 other guilds here have an idea on the cost of raid related items, and it is a drop in a bucket compared to what you can bring in from equipment sales.

The duplicated items/platinum did not just sit in someones bank. No interest is made, unlike in real life. It is given away /spent. If I had an unlimited amount of platinum I sure as shit would spend it/give it away.


You have ZERO idea how much it was, or where it went, or how many times it changed hands. Money is a liquid item. Their cheating has made us all guilty. I can put 2+2 together when I see high end items that drop off bosses being sold by platlord, who always seems to have a great stock of items...until durabel knocked that shit down.

Funny he always seems to get more stuff back. IB/FE/BDA have not killed THAT many traks that they are able to steadily supply RMT sites.

Platlord, the person that sells plat and raid items as well as accounts.

You do realize he plays the EC market (buying and selling items) as well as RMTs plat/items? It's not on the scale of how others do it, but there is a reason he has always been able to acquire raid items that are also sold in EC. The ones that aren't he usually acquires from people when they sell their accounts off.

[radditsu]

Enjoy your belief.... its not based on any evidence. Even the GM's think it was just those 2 players.

Enjoy the end of your guilds hold on a community of good people.

[hatelore]

I will never forget the time, Good ol sericx trained us at a ragefire encounter. Ragefire... Of all things. Not only did he train every single fire giant on us, over... and over again. But he decided to go get all the lava duct crawlers ,bats,kobalds and whatever else he could find too. Funny, we still got ragefire. And I think he got a suspension for that.

He was a swell chap. Thats the kind of shit that should recieve a perma ban if it was frasped. which it was.

[Alarti0001]

Yep 3-4 other guilds here have an idea on the cost of raid related items, and it is a drop in a bucket compared to what you can bring in from equipment sales.

The duplicated items/platinum did not just sit in someones bank. No interest is made, unlike in real life. It is given away /spent. If I had an unlimited amount of platinum I sure as shit would spend it/give it away.


You have ZERO idea how much it was, or where it went, or how many times it changed hands. Money is a liquid item. Their cheating has made us all guilty. I can put 2+2 together when I see high end items that drop off bosses being sold by platlord, who always seems to have a great stock of items...until durabel knocked that shit down.

Funny he always seems to get more stuff back. IB/FE/BDA have not killed THAT many traks that they are able to steadily supply RMT sites.

Froovy/Internode was banned for Duping.. not for RMT. No evidence found that they were RMTing.. .likely duping for personal use or in game wealth.

You are connecting dots that aren't there.

[Alarti0001]

Not so sound like a noob, but I will. Were Velious mobs on variance?

Some were, some weren't.

[hatelore]

Pretty sure , someone could provide a link to the youtube vid. But it isn't too important. Its the norm for tmo.

[Alarti0001]

I will never forget the time, Good ol sericx trained us at a ragefire encounter. Ragefire... Of all things. Not only did he train every single fire giant on us, over... and over again. But he decided to go get all the lava duct crawlers ,bats,kobalds and whatever else he could find too. Funny, we still got ragefire. And I think he got a suspension for that.

He was a swell chap. Thats the kind of shit that should recieve a perma ban if it was frasped. which it was.


If that was the case, chest, anthrax, metallikus, and many others in BDA would be perma-banned along with him.

[radditsu]

Platlord, the person that sells plat and raid items as well as accounts.

You do realize he plays the EC market (buying and selling items) as well as RMTs plat/items? It's not on the scale of how others do it, but there is a reason he has always been able to acquire raid items that are also sold in EC. The ones that aren't he usually acquires from people when they sell their accounts off.

I never said it was all TMO, and if i did I didnt mean to. I am trying to make my position clear. But to think that the guild who has killed trak more times than should be done by sane people, have not got a piece of that pie in some manner? It's ridiculous.

[radditsu]

Some were, some weren't.

+-4 is a good idea, I like +-4.

[Alarti0001]

I never said it was all TMO, and if i did I didnt mean to. I am trying to make my position clear. But to think that the guild who has killed trak more times than should be done by sane people, have not got a piece of that pie in some manner? It's ridiculous.

All of our guild bank items are accounted for and viewable by every member. Also, every raid that has ever dropped loot is recorded on our DKP site. So unless an individual quits and RMT's his character or RMT's his loot its not happening.

Anytime we find RMT we report it. Some we have enough evidence for some we don't. See Xeli/Szeth/Daliant, all guilty of RMTing all currently operating in FE/IB. Szeth even made a post on rerolled about selling his account for 500$ yet they aren't banned.

[hatelore]

If you intentionally grief a group of people by blatantly training them, over and over again. Then yes, no matter what guild you are in, you deserve a perma ban.

[Alarti0001]

If you intentionally grief a group of people by blatantly training them, over and over again. Then yes, no matter what guild you are in, you deserve a perma ban.

Hatelores = permabanned then.

[Raavak]

Again this is a result of the fucked up way the server has handled things..... FE/IB is told time and again that its not that TMO is doing this the right way, theres just no proof they are doing it wrong..... ... (i.e. tortue training VS pit and FDing on me soloing there, nuit DAing and bring prot/tola to ledge when FE/IB has higher numbers than tmo, Sericx being himself etc etc)I will agree that shit has happened, but how can you prove someone did something wrong, if you don't have proof? I for one would hope that all play nice and that if they didn't there was precise & accurate proof and people punished accordingly. Unfortunately its not a perfect world. The thing is, when people start getting caught, they instances should hopefully decline. GM's (and my guild) will probably hate this, but if you suspect cheating or see a situation beginning to unfold, fraps it.

[hatelore]

Pfttt, I have never trained homebrew.

[radditsu]

All of our guild bank items are accounted for and viewable by every member. Also, every raid that has ever dropped loot is recorded on our DKP site. So unless an individual quits and RMT's his character or RMT's his loot its not happening.

Anytime we find RMT we report it. Some we have enough evidence for some we don't. See Xeli/Szeth/Daliant, all guilty of RMTing all currently operating in FE/IB. Szeth even made a post on rerolled about selling his account for 500$ yet they aren't banned.

Do you have someone accounting for all this? Has it been audited? If so, do you have transaction logs? What about things bought with guild pp?


Do you use quickbooks?

[hatelore]

And by the way, My name is hatelore, not hatelores. It has been that way since 1999, some guy that knew me on live made a char named hatelore, a level 8 cleric I think?I came to p1999, petitioned and had our names changed. There is, and always will be, only one hatelore. Shits classic yo~

[Alarti0001]

Do you have someone accounting for all this? Has it been audited? If so, do you have transaction logs? What about things bought with guild pp?


Do you use quickbooks?

Yes


No

[radditsu]

Mary gave birth to CHRIST without having known a man's touch, that's true. But she did have a husband. And do you really think he'd have stayed married to her all those years if he wasn't getting laid? The nature of God and the Virgin birth, those are leaps of faith. But to believe TMO never got RMT money? Well, that's just plain gullibility.

[Fael]

I came to p1999, petitioned and had our names changed. There is, and always will be, only one hatelore. Shits classic yo~

Petitioning to change your first name:

1. Not classic
2. Not suppose to happen here.

Confirmed special treatment.

Dolic

[JayN]

Mary gave birth to CHRIST without having known a man's touch, that's true. But she did have a husband. And do you really think he'd have stayed married to her all those years if he wasn't getting laid? The nature of God and the Virgin birth, those are leaps of faith.. .

But to believe Radditsu is not a lying nazi? Well, that's just plain gullibility

[radditsu]

But to believe Radditsu is not a lying nazi? Well, that's just plain gullibility

Nazi?


Ruskie maybe!

Red Dragon maybe.


But never a Nazi.

[JayN]

Nazi?


Ruskie maybe!

Red Dragon maybe.


But never a Nazi.

Well played sir

[Autotune]

Do you have someone accounting for all this? Has it been audited? If so, do you have transaction logs? What about things bought with guild pp?


Do you use quickbooks?

They thing about the guild bank, it's easy to track for staff members to where the loot is. The hard part is keeping track of every individual member's loot that they gain. Yes you can look on TMO forums to see who was awarded what, but you can't actively check every member at any given time to see if they are still carrying it around, even for staff it's not time effective to audit an entire guild for items considering how little it's actually done (members RMTing their own loot).

I can say that top guilds raid loot/guild bank is under a more watchful eye for RMT than any other.

[hatelore]

I like to picture tanrin, kinda like a guy in a toxedo t-shirt, with dreads, deflecting large caliber bullets with his dreads.

[Nirgon]

You guys were so close to just admitting you agree with each other.

Then it turns into this "who struck John?" bullshit that stagnates anything being resolved between players! Or worse, being friendly enough to each other to work our mob on things you can both agree have been over farmed by one guild.

I hope at some point I exposed the problems here: getting along A LITTLE, realizing the nature of the EQ world/limited number of spawns, lack of Velious, and looking at problems objectively.

On this last point, when both parties do that, at least you can start coming to an agreement on a present problem. From there you can work on it. Bringing up who should be banned for what but who also did it too and smearing each other gets you nowhere (and the OP is right, nothing will ever change then). Maybe that's what Rogean is talking about when he says he's sick of the raiding guilds attitudes here (he did use the plural). Try to be men about this shit and work things out.

It really is funny to see how close 3 pages ago you were to putting down the "lol scum got banned" or "no you are scum" shit and making real progress.

Back to "you guys RMT'd" , "no you did".

[Nirgon]

Then it turns into this "who struck John?" bullshit that stagnates anything being resolved between players! Or worse, being friendly enough to each other to work on things like mobs you can all agree have been over farmed by one guild for too long.


^ I need the holidays so bad. My brain, fml.

[Alarti0001]

Mary gave birth to CHRIST without having known a man's touch, that's true. But she did have a husband. And do you really think he'd have stayed married to her all those years if he wasn't getting laid? The nature of God and the Virgin birth, those are leaps of faith. But to believe TMO never got RMT money? Well, that's just plain gullibility.

TMO as an organization has never "got" RMT money. We have had a few RMT'ers yes but those were personal endeavors.

Believing otherwise is just drawing conclusions without evidence. It would be akin to believing every person who has ever farmed a fungi tunic is likely RMTing them.

[Alarti0001]

You guys were so close to just admitting you agree with each other.

Then it turns into this "who struck John?" bullshit that stagnates anything being resolved between players! Or worse, being friendly enough to each other to work our mob on things you can both agree have been over farmed by one guild.

I hope at some point I exposed the problems here: getting along A LITTLE, realizing the nature of the EQ world/limited number of spawns, lack of Velious, and looking at problems objectively.

On this last point, when both parties do that, at least you can start coming to an agreement on a present problem. From there you can work on it. Bringing up who should be banned for what but who also did it too and smearing each other gets you nowhere (and the OP is right, nothing will ever change then). Maybe that's what Rogean is talking about when he says he's sick of the raiding guilds attitudes here (he did use the plural). Try to be men about this shit and work things out.

It really is funny to see how close 3 pages ago you were to putting down the "lol scum got banned" or "no you are scum" shit and making real progress.

Back to "you guys RMT'd" , "no you did".

It takes two.
The problem is belief. Belief can become self-assuring touchstones. When people drift to far from what they "know" to be true they must violent reject new information as impossible. I don't really think people in TMO believe that FE/IB are actually the scum of the universe or that everyone there cheats/rmt's. I'm sure we might have a couple who invest entirely too much into Reynold's stock but for the vast majority we understand that RMT/cheating will happen anywhere.

I can't say whether the same can be said about other guilds' leaders and their beliefs.

Not pointing fingers, but everyone who reads RnF objectively(all 3 of you) look in your guild chat... everytime TMO is mentioned is cheating/rmting/hacking/douchebag the first thing mentioned? If so I'd say you have the problem... not us. RnF is RnF what goes on here is just bullshit for kicks and giggles and a fair amount of boredom.

TMO guild chat is not rife with bitching about FE/IB/BDA/Whoever. TMO isn't protesting other guilds cheatin/training etc by not rezzing/buffing/porting you. If this is your guild's or your personal opinion, you might need to examine what YOU can do to help.

Hate is a choice.

[Kagatob]

Nirgon, I've always wondered, if you are so 'classic or bust' why are you all for maintaining the terrible and not classic FTE system?

[radditsu]

You guys were so close to just admitting you agree with each other.

Then it turns into this "who struck John?" bullshit that stagnates anything being resolved between players! Or worse, being friendly enough to each other to work our mob on things you can both agree have been over farmed by one guild.

I hope at some point I exposed the problems here: getting along A LITTLE, realizing the nature of the EQ world/limited number of spawns, lack of Velious, and looking at problems objectively.

On this last point, when both parties do that, at least you can start coming to an agreement on a present problem. From there you can work on it. Bringing up who should be banned for what but who also did it too and smearing each other gets you nowhere (and the OP is right, nothing will ever change then). Maybe that's what Rogean is talking about when he says he's sick of the raiding guilds attitudes here (he did use the plural). Try to be men about this shit and work things out.

It really is funny to see how close 3 pages ago you were to putting down the "lol scum got banned" or "no you are scum" shit and making real progress.

Back to "you guys RMT'd" , "no you did".


I would love to agree on things! Alarti trolling me pings off my dread's like bullets. I know the real issue is the timeline and item availability. There just has to be SOME culpability into saying "Yes TMO caused tons of problems with the populace and we want to get along better with our (new?) management". I don't want to see the "in two weeks we are going to shit on everything everybody wants to do" posts.
Tmo members that quit and sell off loot are still TMOers causing harm to the server.

They seem to think since IB did it, its groovy! It's not.

Changing a raid scene, at this point in an extended timeline, is a logical argument. It is a logical time with the non TMO guilds are working together, and the rules have been changed to be more "casual" friendly in top end zones. Stopping a monopoly on droppable equipment...whatever the reason for the monopoly, is a good thing. 10% of the population causing 90% of the problems is not going to fly anymore.

When things are a majority no drop, are you guys just going to let it rot? What if they change MQ rules on epic pieces?


We always /shouted that shit to the rooftops...its the right thing to do. Make the game a little less shitty.



Fight the next expansion, get what you want, and move on.



I can give a shit about the past if the future is so bright i need shades.

[Nirgon]

It's as easy as sharing non Trak/VP/VS mobs. Many of the clickies and drops there are valuable even into Velious, and will probably always be hotly contested.

However, its great now because you're one very large guild short of having a full scene.

Add TMO to the current list of recent and someone gets bumped off a target.

This just further illustrates the problem that the population is VERY top heavy in terms of very raid ready 60s and # of available targets.

[Kagatob]

It's as easy as sharing non Trak/VP/VS mobs. Many of the clickies and drops there are valuable even into Velious, and will probably always be hotly contested.

However, its great now because you're one very large guild short of having a full scene.

Add TMO to the current list of recent and someone gets bumped off a target.

This just further illustrates the problem that the population is VERY top heavy in terms of very raid ready 60s and # of available targets.

Nirgon, I've always wondered, if you are so 'classic or bust' why are you all for maintaining the terrible and not classic FTE system?

[Nirgon]

I've already answered that I don't like variance.

Your turn now.

Why was variance implemented in the first place?

[Nirgon]

I do like the FTE shout system, even if it isn't classic, at least here. It's a quick and simple way to see who tagged the mob first rather than Sirken and company having to give it a best guess.

Not every live server had a raid calendar. Further, those were created by players not GMs.

[Versus]

Welfare raid scene

[Kagatob]

I do like the FTE shout system

Congratulations on being part of the problem.

[sanforce]

Welfare raid scene

Socialist server

[Nirgon]

Congratulations on being part of the problem.

You don't have the slightest clue why anything happened here or happens here.

You don't understand that some things are up to the players and not the GMs.

I am hardly part of the problem. The FTE system was designed because of a problem.

I presume you'd rather Sirken had to be inches from his screen staring at the logs everytime a mob spawns? Brilliant!

[toosweet]

How is the raid scene so far this week?
It seems like the raid guilds are all tracking and also getting kills?
The agreement is working well?
Competition is there without all the petitions/shitstorm of TMO being involved?

[Splorf22]

TMO guild chat is not rife with bitching about FE/IB/BDA/Whoever. TMO isn't protesting other guilds cheatin/training etc by not rezzing/buffing/porting you. If this is your guild's or your personal opinion, you might need to examine what YOU can do to help.

Hate is a choice.

Look, I get this, but at the same time Eccezan should stop starting all of those 'your tears are delicious' threads.

[Nirgon]

Look, I get this, but at the same time Eccezan should stop starting all of those 'your tears are delicious' threads.

He should.

People should also show a little more respect for them too.

Reading ooc/shout before, during and after a raid mob spawns is the best indicator of why this stuff ends up on the forums.

The Draco "2x BCG" shit is a prime example.

[Alarti0001]

Look, I get this, but at the same time Eccezan should stop starting all of those 'your tears are delicious' threads.

People should stop using racist/sexist and anti LBGTQ speech against others too.
Also, Eccezan's threads are so terrible if anyone reads them it is because they are actively seeking to be trolled, or to troll.

[Kagatob]

You don't have the slightest clue why anything happened here or happens here.

You don't understand that some things are up to the players and not the GMs.

I am hardly part of the problem. The FTE system was designed because of a problem.

I presume you'd rather Sirken had to be inches from his screen staring at the logs everytime a mob spawns? Brilliant!

I have a much better clue than you'd ever realize. You know nothing about basic raid enforcement considering you have this ridiculous belief that a GM will even have to watch a raid happen in a non-FTE environment. I've posted several times about this topic before and have posted numerous solutions, most of which actually happened on live, none of which have been debunked.

I'm sorry if your obsession with sticking to the status quo blinds you to considering alternatives, but you shouldn't try to drag everyone else down there with you.

Radditzu was right about you being a TMO cheerleader btw. It goes well beyond simple devils advocate. It looks as if you might be invested in such a stance actually.

Call tinfoil hat as you will, I'm only observing how you present yourself here.

[Kagatob]

People should stop using racist/sexist and anti LBGTQ speech against others too.
Also, Eccezan's threads are so terrible if anyone reads them it is because they are actively seeking to be trolled, or to troll.

Stop being a faggot and maybe people won't call you one.

Faggot.

[radditsu]

Fte shouts are a great way to clarify contested mobs. They were implemented because of bullshit. But as a raid function they are great. Prevent "accidents" with "friendly" competition

[Kagatob]

You know except that whole FTE sniping bullshit that happens.

[Nirgon]

Radditzu was right about you being a TMO cheerleader btw.

The FTE shout settles disputes of who got FTE. That's why I like it, no other reason. It saves the staff time.

In fact, FE/IB winning a few recent Traks and VS where FTE shout helped make it clear it was theirs. It sorted out a ton of the usual conspiracy, bullshit and finger pointer. This makes me a TMO cheerleader. Got it.

I guess everything in my objective and personal opinion of things raises the "doesn't slander the top guild enough" flag for you.

You put people in one of 2 camps. The people who blindly slander the top guild or everyone else, where everyone else is a "top guild" cheerleader. Got it. Excuse me for being the narrow minded one.

I was cautioned against trying to have an intelligent discussion with you. I'm still not convinced your an idiot, just very narrow in objective which is hating on the most dedicated players on the server. Is that obsession healthy? Um no. Does responding to a batphone at nearly any of the day mean you have more time during the day to do it? Yes. Does it make you more dedicated? Well, you're dedicating more time..

People being more dedicated means more for them and less for you. And here's a news flash. TMO does take on new applicants and members. New members who need best in slot gear and that puts the current "easy raid mobs" that everyone else is capable of doing in their cross hairs.

Please flesh out a system that works for everyone and get it stickied. I'd love to objectively critique it. The current system is flawed, your system will be flawed, accept it.

[Nirgon]

a non-FTE environment.

Define this btw.

Oh and you still didn't answer my question.

[radditsu]

You know except that whole FTE sniping bullshit that happens.

Hence the friendly raiding I was saying. Fte rules need to be agreed upon in this senario.

A) always respect the fte shout

B) loss of mobs if fte is obtained with less than a group in zone (numbers negotiated obv) aka you need to have a force.

C) a mob needs to reset to full for next engage.

D) peeling a mob after fte means you lose the mob and must leave or lose a future mob. (Under a raid agreement of course. )


Agree upon gentlemenly rules and you could use the tools we have for great effect.

[radditsu]

Define this btw.

Oh and you still didn't answer my question.

He means rotation or first in force I assume.


Which negate the need.

[radditsu]

I blindly slander the top guild but I still try to make sense!

[Nirgon]

Naw he doesn't know what he means.

[radditsu]

Naw he doesn't know what he means.

It makes the argument make some sense.. but meh not putting words in his mouth.

[radditsu]

Ill say that fte culture has been toxic. Sniping is a dick maneuver and has gone on too long

[Llodd]

At the moment it's all just a small step forward, albeit in the right direction.

time to slow down and let the dust settle.

Patience

[radditsu]

At the moment it's all just a small step forward, albeit in the right direction.

time to slow down and let the dust settle.

Patience

You have 1 and a half weeks to get an agreement in place and give it to the staff. A UN resolution between the guilds. If the tmo bluster is to be believed.

[Llodd]

You have 1 and a half weeks to get an agreement in place and give it to the staff. A UN resolution between the guilds. If the tmo bluster is to be believed.

better get my jimmies in place

+

[YendorLootmonkey]

If that was the case, chest, anthrax, metallikus, and many others in BDA would be perma-banned along with him.

To be fair, Metallikus trains his own guild on his monk and calls them pulls. Motherfucker never made a FD hotkey at all.

[radditsu]

To be fair, Metallikus trains his own guild on his monk and calls them pulls. Motherfucker never made a FD hotkey at all.

Did he even train the skill?

[Kagatob]

He means rotation or first in force I assume.


Which negate the need.

Ill say that fte culture has been toxic. Sniping is a dick maneuver and has gone on too long

Someone gets it.

[radditsu]

Someone gets it.

You also see my (theoretical) proposal that would use tools we have programmed in a positive way. Dont think nilby would love to code shit that falls by the wayside.

[Lammy]

FTE sniping wouldn't be an issue if raid forces waited to engage strategically rather than just flailing themselves at targets hoping to beat a readied raid force. My stance has always been this through the recent shit shows.... If you feel TMO enagages early and grabs FTE, let them wipe so you can do a clean engage. Who are you to judge if TMO was ready to engage or not? You don't know what our strategy is in vent. But whether they wipe or not will give you a definitive answer.

/Loraen liberal hate on

[Nirgon]

Thanks for not answering my question personally.

First in force = poop sock rules for everything is actually the worst possible rule. Who had 20 people sitting there for 3 days straight? That's a good idea to you!?

You don't get it if you think that is good.

You also didn't answer my question. You waited for someone else to answer it in a way you liked, then quoted it.

Unfortunately and as suspected, another clueless bandwagoneer and probably the worst of them. Things will never get better with people like you arguing against Alarti and company.

[Alarti0001]

Thanks for not answering my question personally.

First in force = poop sock rules for everything is actually the worst possible rule. Who had 20 people sitting there for 3 days straight? That's a good idea to you!?

You don't get it if you think that is good.

You also didn't answer my question. You waited for someone else to answer it in a way you liked, then quoted it.

Unfortunately and as suspected, another clueless bandwagoneer and probably the worst of them. Things will never get better with people like you arguing against Alarti and company.

He doesn't argue with me, he argues at me. I have him ignored. :)

[Splorf22]

/Loraen liberal hate on

At least Alarti argues the actual substance of things sometimes.

Maybe a second time will sledgehammer this idea through your skull: your guild is only in the position it is in owing to huge variance, and this is not classic. TR, TMO, FE/IB, and in the future any guilds willing to invest the time tracking are the ones receiving vastly more raid mobs than they would in a truly classic world. ergo, you are the ones receiving the handouts. It's exactly like the Great Depression when Roosevelt hired people to dig ditches and other people to fill them in: Rogean created a huge amount of unnecessary work and then rewarded the people that toed his line.

[Alarti0001]

At least Alarti argues the actual substance of things sometimes.

Maybe a second time will sledgehammer this idea through your skull: your guild is only in the position it is in owing to huge variance, and this is not classic. TR, TMO, FE/IB, and in the future any guilds willing to invest the time tracking are the ones receiving vastly more raid mobs than they would in a truly classic world. ergo, you are the ones receiving the handouts. It's exactly like the Great Depression when Roosevelt hired people to dig ditches and other people to fill them in: Rogean created a huge amount of unnecessary work and then rewarded the people that toed his line.

Ehhh this isnt correct. While I agree we structured our guild around variance.... if no variance ever existed it is impossible to predict how the raid scene would have turned out.
Without variance we would have structures ourselves differently, as would competition and new problems would exist. So basically you should put that sledge down and start fine-tuning your thoughts :)

[Splorf22]

Ehhh this isnt correct. While I agree we structured our guild around variance.... if no variance ever existed it is impossible to predict how the raid scene would have turned out.
Without variance we would have structures ourselves differently, as would competition and new problems would exist. So basically you should put that sledge down and start fine-tuning your thoughts :)

Alarti, do you believe in global warming?

[Kagatob]

Thanks for not answering my question personally.

First in force = poop sock rules for everything is actually the worst possible rule. Who had 20 people sitting there for 3 days straight? That's a good idea to you!?

You don't get it if you think that is good.

You also didn't answer my question. You waited for someone else to answer it in a way you liked, then quoted it.

Unfortunately and as suspected, another clueless bandwagoneer and probably the worst of them. Things will never get better with people like you arguing against Alarti and company.

Shit was classic. I'm at work. it's not worth typing up an essay from my phone. You don't like it? Deal with it.

[hatelore]

It takes two.
The problem is belief. Belief can become self-assuring touchstones. When people drift to far from what they "know" to be true they must violent reject new information as impossible. I don't really think people in TMO believe that FE/IB are actually the scum of the universe or that everyone there cheats/rmt's. I'm sure we might have a couple who invest entirely too much into Reynold's stock but for the vast majority we understand that RMT/cheating will happen anywhere.

I can't say whether the same can be said about other guilds' leaders and their beliefs.

Not pointing fingers, but everyone who reads RnF objectively(all 3 of you) look in your guild chat... everytime TMO is mentioned is cheating/rmting/hacking/douchebag the first thing mentioned? If so I'd say you have the problem... not us. RnF is RnF what goes on here is just bullshit for kicks and giggles and a fair amount of boredom.

TMO guild chat is not rife with bitching about FE/IB/BDA/Whoever. TMO isn't protesting other guilds cheatin/training etc by not rezzing/buffing/porting you. If this is your guild's or your personal opinion, you might need to examine what YOU can do to help.

Hate is a choice.

Good post Alarti. I mean, fuck you, die! this is rnf~!

[Messianic]

Wipe it clean. Start over.

This forum needs a rule for how long it takes for an argument to devolve to this suggestion. Maybe the "Bush Towers Rule"?

[Nirgon]

Shit was classic. I'm at work. it's not worth typing up an essay from my phone. You don't like it? Deal with it.

I was just going to quote Alarti in response but I think that mighta gone over your head.

[radditsu]

Ehhh this isnt correct. While I agree we structured our guild around variance.... if no variance ever existed it is impossible to predict how the raid scene would have turned out.
Without variance we would have structures ourselves differently, as would competition and new problems would exist. So basically you should put that sledge down and start fine-tuning your thoughts :)

No variance = less toon overhead + more autofire keyboards

[Kagatob]

Sidestep all you want. I honestly don't care any more. There are people in this thread who get it. The collective community has the same attitude. You are fighting a losing battle. TMO is out. Logical next step would be to remove FTE. What purpose does it even serve with a raid rotation anyway mr. "expert"?

[Lammy]

At least Alarti argues the actual substance of things sometimes.

My argument is taking into consideration how things are, not how you want them to be. I 100% comprehend and 50% agree with what you're saying.

[radditsu]

Sidestep all you want. I honestly don't care any more. There are people in this thread who get it. The collective community has the same attitude. You are fighting a losing battle. TMO is out. Logical next step would be to remove FTE. What purpose does it even serve with a raid rotation anyway mr. "expert"?


Guilds need to agree on something. A full rotation may not be something you could put in front of a gm/rogean saying "this is what your raiders want and will agree to if you will help us a little. Your job will be easier."

We have people who want to race/compete fairly. We have fte tools in place. It would be an agreement you could put in place today. Signed off by most non TMO guilds. But ya know.....effort.

[Lammy]

TMO is out.

I'm not sure where you got this? TMO is down 4 members and when the raid suspension and accounts are back active, will be back to raiding again...

[Kagatob]

We have people who want to race/compete fairly. We have fte tools in place. It would be an agreement you could put in place today. Signed off by most non TMO guilds. But ya know.....effort.

For the billionth time. FTE not classic. If you are using FTE you are not playing EverQuest. I don't know why that drum keeps getting beaten.

If TMO comes back and tries the same shit they did before Velious will release without raid content anyway so any theoretical need for FTE is lost there.

The post-TMO style raid scene needs to be revolutionarily different if you want it to be a positive success in the future, choosing to rely on the tools that perpetuated the broken system of the past is not the way to get there.

[Tasslehofp99]

People on this forum believes too much in Disney or Dora the explorer.

I cannot wait the first QQ from BDA & other guilds when they will realize that FE/IB will vampirize 80% of contents (without be able to kill Nexona & Hoshkar even if they continue to raid together). You will only have bones without any meat on it, the new virginity of IB will fall soon :)

Nexona and Hoshkar down to FE/IB today, Hoshkar went down like the slut he is on our first attempt. Was lots of fun, I really look forward to seeing what VP will be like without the douschebaggery/training. I feel like it will bring a lot more clean and fun competition to the raid scene; should people be able to work together and not act like children.

Hope to see you guys recover and start raiding VP again, theres no reason we all can't get pixels and still have legitimate competition on a weekly basis. BDA actually got a very nice attempt at Druushk the other day, dropping him below 50% health with 18 people(I think only 16 were actually engaged on druushk.)

[Kushie]

Shut the FUCK up

[radditsu]

Yapas acting like 32k hp dragons are hard

[Derubael]

I have a much better clue than you'd ever realize. You know nothing about basic raid enforcement considering you have this ridiculous belief that a GM will even have to watch a raid happen in a non-FTE environment. I've posted several times about this topic before and have posted numerous solutions, most of which actually happened on live, none of which have been debunked.


Kagatob,

As I am responding in Rants n Flames in letter format today, I would like to respectfully request your assistance. Your epeen seems large and experienced, and while I haven't read any of your posts in this thread except this one, I can tell that you are wise in the way of Everquest and Project 1999.

We need YOUR help, Kagatob, yes YOU, as your post clearly indicates that you have a plan to alleviate the workload required on Sirken and myself when it comes to end game raiding, as well as increase the fun had by all on this server. Please provide a short, well thought out plan on how we can fix our woes here on Project 1999, and save us all from the P99 raid scene. Please do not include changes that would require extra coding, as our Development Team is already extremely busy.

Please list the following, so that we may evaluate your plan and assess its use here on Project 1999:

- A short list of your personal raid experience here on Project 1999, things you read on the forums do not count, unfortunately, as there is a large amount of misinformation posted here.

- What you would specifically change here on Project 1999 and why we would all benefit from these changes. Please be complete and concise.

- How these changes would affect us all in the long term, as well as how they should be implemented and enforced.

- A short description of why you are an expert on this topic. Keep in mind that this bullet point and the first bullet point are in no way related, and we expect them to be addressed individually.

- Please do not simply link posts you have made previously on this topic. To be taken seriously, we do require a new post.

Sirken and I look forward to hearing your response. I would like to personally express our gratitude for your contribution to this server and these forums, and thank you in advance for your miracle fixes that we so desperately need. I assure you that we hold your opinion and thoughts in the highest regard here on Project 1999, and take all of your posts seriously.

Sincerely,
Derubael

[Nirgon]

Only thing he's got a plan for is putting on another 5-10lbs this year and watching anime

[Nirgon]

Oh yeah and FTE shouts make everyone's life a living hell. He nailed that one.

Lol.

[Lron]

I think derubael is hammered irl...posting essays in RnF.

[Nirgon]

His forumquest is B+/A-

[Lron]

god you are sucking his dick so he will come see you in game nirgon, its really quite unbecoming and beta of you.

[Nirgon]

Trying to get staff to log in, but you saw right through that anyways so I ain't gotta say it.

Sorry to crush your dreams of doctor of EverQuest on guide action doe.

[Kagatob]

oh that's just cute. :)

[Champion_Standing]

The "top" guilds were cheating and exploiting from day one on this server. I guarantee you the next "top" guild cheats and exploits, too.

Confirmed 100% factual

[Bardalicious]

Damn, it sucks always being right.

TMO here was full of a bunch of faggots that never accomplished anything on Fennin Ro. Such as Alarti, whom was never even in TMO this era, when guilds like DoA were shitting all over them on live.

Had to relive those lusty pixel fantasies from 1999 any way possible I guess. :o

[Alarti0001]

Damn, it sucks always being right.

TMO here was full of a bunch of faggots that never accomplished anything on Fennin Ro. Such as Alarti, whom was never even in TMO this era, when guilds like DoA were shitting all over them on live.

Had to relive those lusty pixel fantasies from 1999 any way possible I guess. :o

Not during Kunark for sure. !

[Bardalicious]

So, Alarti.. plans for the future? Will you continue to grace us with your presence on this server? Or perhaps just stop by to chime in "prove it" once in awhile?

[Alarti0001]

So, Alarti.. plans for the future? Will you continue to grace us with your presence on this server? Or perhaps just stop by to chime in "prove it" once in awhile?

Who were you on Live !>?

[Derubael]

oh that's just cute. :)

Kagatob,

I'm insulted that you are passing on your chance to fix Project 1999, and will from this point forward ignore your posts on the basis that you have nothing to offer and have no desire to help the project.

Sincerely,
Derubael.

[Tann]

oh that's just cute. :)

from another thread, still applies:
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/479/981/5a8.png

[ssfarmer]

TMO guild chat is not rife with bitching about FE/IB/BDA/Whoever. TMO isn't protesting other guilds cheatin/training etc by not rezzing/buffing/porting you. If this is your guild's or your personal opinion, you might need to examine what YOU can do to help.

Hate is a choice.

This i find hilarious..... half of your guild does this on a daily basis ..... u guys hand out 0% rezzes, offer to drag corpses and then leave them in fucked up places, pay you for a port somewhere and then have been ported to hate/tox and left there, etc etc etc

These are reasons just as much as your guy's attitude / tactics in the raid scene are why you guys have such a bad reputation. I mean some of the people in TMO are nice, i have friends in the guild, but the majority of the guild are just assholes plain and simple and this behavior seems to be encouraged by the leadership (or at the very least ignored which is equivalent to supporting it)

[Kagatob]

Kagatob,

As I am responding in Rants n Flames in letter format today, I would like to respectfully request your assistance. Your epeen seems large and experienced, and while I haven't read any of your posts in this thread except this one, I can tell that you are wise in the way of Everquest and Project 1999.

We need YOUR help, Kagatob, yes YOU, as your post clearly indicates that you have a plan to alleviate the workload required on Sirken and myself when it comes to end game raiding, as well as increase the fun had by all on this server. Please provide a short, well thought out plan on how we can fix our woes here on Project 1999, and save us all from the P99 raid scene. Please do not include changes that would require extra coding, as our Development Team is already extremely busy.

Please list the following, so that we may evaluate your plan and assess its use here on Project 1999:

- A short list of your personal raid experience here on Project 1999, things you read on the forums do not count, unfortunately, as there is a large amount of misinformation posted here.

- What you would specifically change here on Project 1999 and why we would all benefit from these changes. Please be complete and concise.

- How these changes would affect us all in the long term, as well as how they should be implemented and enforced.

- A short description of why you are an expert on this topic. Keep in mind that this bullet point and the first bullet point are in no way related, and we expect them to be addressed individually.

- Please do not simply link posts you have made previously on this topic. To be taken seriously, we do require a new post.

Sirken and I look forward to hearing your response. I would like to personally express our gratitude for your contribution to this server and these forums, and thank you in advance for your miracle fixes that we so desperately need. I assure you that we hold your opinion and thoughts in the highest regard here on Project 1999, and take all of your posts seriously.

Sincerely,
Derubael

Kagatob,

I'm insulted that you are passing on your chance to fix Project 1999, and will from this point forward ignore your posts on the basis that you have nothing to offer and have no desire to help the project.

Sincerely,
Derubael.

Still not gonna take the bait. Sorry bud. ;)

[Prismaticshop]

This i find hilarious..... half of your guild does this on a daily basis ..... u guys hand out 0% rezzes, offer to drag corpses and then leave them in fucked up places, pay you for a port somewhere and then have been ported to hate/tox and left there, etc etc etc

These are reasons just as much as your guy's attitude / tactics in the raid scene are why you guys have such a bad reputation. I mean some of the people in TMO are nice, i have friends in the guild, but the majority of the guild are just assholes plain and simple and this behavior seems to be encouraged by the leadership (or at the very least ignored which is equivalent to supporting it)

Shitting on other people whilst zerging VP down to either "get VP loot on my 6th alt" or simply destroy it was all people like him or eccezan or jeremy had.

Now they are down to sit on the ruins of their former glory, whilst everyone shits on them for the bunch of sociopaths that they were.

Alarti still posting are just the last farts of a corpse in a dead guild.

It's all they have left.

[Alarti0001]

Shitting on other people whilst zerging VP down to either "get VP loot on my 6th alt" or simply destroy it was all people like him or eccezan or jeremy had.

Now they are down to sit on the ruins of their former glory, whilst everyone shits on them for the bunch of sociopaths that they were.

Alarti still posting are just the last farts of a corpse in a dead guild.

It's all they have left.

Ya you are probably right!
What is your character name so I can congratulate you?

[Detoxx]

TMO scum of the server, love watching them burn! Muahaha

[Pint]

TMO scum of the server, love watching them burn! Muahaha

people are taking your dragons bro

[Fael]

TMO. The story of betrayal, sacrifice, death, and resurrection.

How timely that it is so near Christmas.

The Zealots enjoyed their victory for a time as well. But then came fire and blood.

I never knew how poetic nilbog and rogean could be!

Dolic

[Detoxx]

people are taking your dragons bro

Yes, indeed they are. But fear not, friend...The insurrection is coming!

[Hailto]

Yes, indeed they are. But fear not, friend...The insurrection is coming!

Really hope we can come to some sort of agreement like adults instead of man-children on this. Server has been so nice lately, for everyone.

[Cecily]

I remember people saying that during TMO's last 2 week break. Take away the server's best guild and it nicer for everyone else. Go figure.

[radditsu]

I remember people saying that during TMO's last 2 week break. Take away the server's best guild and it nicer for everyone else. Go figure.

You staying tmo cec?

[Hailto]

It's not about being the "best" at 13 year old dragon kills its about having some common decency for the health of the server. Its not hard to kill 32k hp dragons.

[Cecily]

Well I look forward to you guys doing more often then. And yes I am, Tanrin!

[Autotune]

It's not about being the "best" at 13 year old dragon kills its about having some common decency for the health of the server. Its not hard to kill 32k hp dragons.

If it's not hard, idk why people weren't doing it before.